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Started by Ms Grace, October 18, 2013, 10:42:00 AM

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Ms Grace

When I bailed on my first transition I felt like an utter failure. Two years of stringing myself and many of the people closest to me along and what did I have to show for it? I was so ashamed. Caught up in my own little world I naturally saw myself as the only person on the face of the planet who had ever bailed on transition and HRT.

As the years passed I met or heard of a few people who had likewise bailed but it still didn't sink in that I wasn't a failure. Even when restarting this process some 22 years later "failure" and "shame" were major themes of my last transition. It was enough to red flag my shrink into taking my desire to retry HRT very cautiously. My gender counsellor did however get me to see that had I not bailed I probably wouldn't have survived the process, if you get what I mean - I didn't have many emotional supports at the time and was pure and simple not coping with the tremendous changes I was putting myself through.

Do I regret not seeing it through? Sure. I could have had 22 years of living as my preferred gender. But I've come to accept that I wasn't a failure for "bailing", I did what I had to at the time and it's given my the wonderful opportunity to try it again - this time with more perspective, wisdom and support than I ever had back then.

Since joining this forum I've noticed a few others mentioning that they've had earlier transition processes which has really helped me to realise it's probably more common than I had presupposed. But it also makes me wonder if there are any official figures on the number of people who either decide to stop HRT transition or make multiple passes at it.

I also wonder if us multiple attempt folk don't "weird out" (for want of a better expression) those who are just starting HRT for the first time or are eagerly awaiting it.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Shantel

Grace,
    I had commented on this earlier in a de-transition thread somewhere. I'm heading into my 20th year on HRT, but about 14 years and an orchiectomy into it I had sort of a meltdown. I had pierced ears with diamond studs and much longer fuller hair back then and came to the place where I had been ma'am-ed quite frequently although what I saw in the mirror seemed like a freak who would most likely make a rather homely looking woman at best. I concluded that I had been living in a delusional state and knowing that my spouse found it rather unsettling as well I pulled the studs and though she was apprehensive about it had her give me a GI joe buzz cut. I quit HRT for two years but became very ill with no hormonal base, so I went to injectable T and later T pellets and hated the effects eventually forsaking that and returned to feminizing HRT. It had been a negative experience, I think the T killed a lot of my hair follicles but I concluded that being homely isn't nearly as bad a rap as being miserable knowing that regressing like that was a big mistake. My advice is don't even consider it!
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Violet Bloom

  While I haven't bailed yet on my own transition I can see if I had known enough to try approximately 20 years earlier that I would have seriously risked backing out or freaking out.  Gender aside I simply didn't have the personal strength to present myself in public as I saw fit.  I was living with severe shame for who I was just as a person and it took a long time to get past that.  It would have been nice to have much of that time back to live over again but it was invaluable in building my strength of character and for the people I've come to know that I otherwise would likely not have.  For me it feels like exactly the right time in my life to make this move but I'm taking it one day at a time and have not created a strict timeline.  I have also not insisted that any surgeries are necessary.  Those decisions will come as my mental and physical HRT changes settle in.

  Grace, I'm glad to hear stories such as yours because they force me to think rationally about my choices so don't feel like there isn't any value in your experiences.  It seems you've made it around to that point in your mind.  One thing I realize I'm at risk of is trying to make my transition work just so I'm not embarrassed to be around the people I've come out to by reversing my position.  It has caused me to be very slow and selective about coming out to everyone because I'm trying to see enough positive effects from HRT to know as best as I can that I'm truly on the right track.  So far I'm feeling great about everything I've accomplished but I can't be certain I won't hit any major bumps in the road.

  I am curious if you don't mind expanding on it what exactly caused you to bail on your original transition attempt?  And what led you to try again?  Why was there such a huge gap in between and how did you cope with it?

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Ms Grace

Quote from: Shantel on October 18, 2013, 11:04:10 AM
I quit HRT for two years but became very ill with no hormonal base, so I went to injectable T and later T pellets and hated the effects eventually forsaking that and returned to feminizing HRT. It had been a negative experience, I think the T killed a lot of my hair follicles but I concluded that being homely isn't nearly as bad a rap as being miserable knowing that regressing like that was a big mistake. My advice is don't even consider it!
Thanks for sharing your experience Shantel, I had considered a castration before coming off hormones so I could be "gender neutral" but my endo recommended against it saying I'd need to take testosterone to enable calcium absorption or some such. I gave up on that idea but 22 years off HRT has had more or less the same effect on my follicles too :( From that point of view it is my biggest regret although Regaine seems to be helping so I'll have to see... fingers crossed. Like you I had a meltdown of confidence - I felt I was turning myself into some kind of freak, the sad thing is, looking back at those photos now I was a pretty young woman and passed quiet well. Can't cry over it now but it's still a shame I couldn't see what was staring me in the face.

Quote from: Violet Bloom on October 18, 2013, 11:35:37 AMGender aside I simply didn't have the personal strength to present myself in public as I saw fit.  I was living with severe shame for who I was just as a person and it took a long time to get past that.  It would have been nice to have much of that time back to live over again but it was invaluable in building my strength of character and for the people I've come to know that I otherwise would likely not have. 

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I am curious if you don't mind expanding on it what exactly caused you to bail on your original transition attempt?  And what led you to try again?  Why was there such a huge gap in between and how did you cope with it?
Thanks Victoria - I think your first point about personal strength vs shame goes a long way towards answering why I bailed. The early 1990s was such a different time and while things aren't great for trans* people now they were much worse back then. I certainly wasn't very worldly and without enough confidence I felt petrified every time I went out cross dressed, even though I did it with friends and solo and nothing untoward ever happened I always felt I was about to be sprung. I'm very tall and felt I stood out like a sore thumb so that didn't help. Wearing a dress was one thing but wearing pants inevitably meant I got misgendered which was depressing, especially since I just wanted to be a jeans and tee shirt kind of gal - my mistake here was not understanding how to dress like a woman even when wearing more gender neutral clothing.

Electrolysis was taking forever and had become a major drain on my youthful wages... half the time I couldn't go out cross dressed because I wasn't able to shave, I felt like a hairy freak. Turns out I was having the slowest and least effective variety of electrolysis. The fact that I hadn't transitioned full time after two years of back and forth was testing and confusing even my most supportive friends, or that's what it felt like. Half the time they weren't sure what name or pronouns to use for me and I wasn't making it any easier for them by not being clear. In retrospect I came out to them way too early.

The HRT, I felt, wasn't very effective. It had feminised my face and stopped my hair loss (already starting at that age) but breast development was underwhelming to say the least. AAA cup? Perhaps? I was getting monthly injections of E which I've since learned can be an incredible emotional roller coaster ride, which it was. I was putting on weight around my stomach, apparently a side effect of Androcur, never explained at the time.

Financially I was struggling, although I had a steady job in the public service and was reasonably covered by anti-discrimination laws, I didn't feel comfortable about transitioning in the workplace. I saw myself as potentially out of a job and with no way to pay my rent let alone electrolysis, clothing, medical, etc.

I was seeing a shrink once every few months but the sessions were more about ticking boxes rather than support or talking about my concerns or problems. There was a gender centre that I went to once but because I hadn't crossed full time I felt like a fraud and never went back. Pretty sad really.

All of that was bad enough but my family was the biggest sticking point, I told my mother and she almost went into melt down worrying about what everyone else would think. Potential rejection by my family was too much to contemplate.

This all became a perfect storm at about the 26 month mark and I just couldn't tolerate it any longer... had a major melt down and decided to abandon all hope of becoming the woman I wanted to be. Stupidly stopped HRT cold turkey (so dumb!) and just moved into denial that it had ever happened. Although not religious I had formed a spiritual view that we are born the way we are for a reason and since I was a "male" I just had to suck it up and make do. That plus some ten years of psychotherapy which allowed me to come to terms and, to some degree, peace with my male condition. I found groups and friends where I felt I was able to fit in without having to prove my masculinity and would be able to express my more feminine qualities without censure... more or less that's what allowed me to make it through 22 years. Even so it was pretty clear by my fantasies, writing, artwork and online activities (once the internet existed!) that I deeply still wanted to live as a woman, I was just using more indirect channels to express it and relieve the counter pressures. There was a point early this year where that wasn't enough and after another melt down I came to realisation that transition was the only option.

Hope that wasn't too long! But basically it was a mix of many things, I was a mess and felt I had no option but to stop. I'm very happy with my decision to restart HRT, my family will still be a hurdle, but many other things in my life feel more stable and supportive... so we'll see how it goes! :)
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Jamie D

Grace, finding yourself, at whatever age, or after a number of attempts, is never a failure.  The failure would be in not trying.
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Beth Andrea

Thanks for sharing, and raising an interesting question...the "should I start?" and "should I continue?" are questions that I think a lot of us have, and it's really hard to say what the rate of "no, I should stop" really is. Here on Susan's occasionally a thread will be started about someone who is thinking of (or already is) detransitioning, but there is usually very little follow-up.

Perhaps they think of their DTing as a personal failure, as well. Interesting question, though.

Quote from: Shantel on October 18, 2013, 11:04:10 AM
Grace,
    I had commented on this earlier in a de-transition thread somewhere. I'm heading into my 20th year on HRT, but about 14 years and an orchiectomy into it I had sort of a meltdown. I had pierced ears with diamond studs and much longer fuller hair back then and came to the place where I had been ma'am-ed quite frequently although what I saw in the mirror seemed like a freak who would most likely make a rather homely looking woman at best. I concluded that I had been living in a delusional state and knowing that my spouse found it rather unsettling as well I pulled the studs and though she was apprehensive about it had her give me a GI joe buzz cut. I quit HRT for two years but became very ill with no hormonal base, so I went to injectable T and later T pellets and hated the effects eventually forsaking that and returned to feminizing HRT. It had been a negative experience, I think the T killed a lot of my hair follicles but I concluded that being homely isn't nearly as bad a rap as being miserable knowing that regressing like that was a big mistake. My advice is don't even consider it!

Funny, this was a concern I had about myself for sometime. In fact the buzz cut was, and is, a quick and easy way to get back to appearing "manly" LOL...not anymore of course (not for me), but back then... :-\

And, the conclusion was mine as well: Better to be an unattractive woman than any sort of man. Turns out though, with time...I think some of the rougher edges of my man-face are softening...and even given a limited FFS, wonders will never cease.

:)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Ms Grace

Quote from: Jamie de la Rosa on October 18, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
Grace, finding yourself, at whatever age, or after a number of attempts, is never a failure.  The failure would be in not trying.
Thanks Jamie, yes it took me a long, long time to realise that and come to terms with it. I see it more are one step forward, two steps back, a giant leap forward! :)

Quote from: Beth Andrea on October 18, 2013, 03:49:06 PM
Thanks for sharing, and raising an interesting question...the "should I start?" and "should I continue?" are questions that I think a lot of us have, and it's really hard to say what the rate of "no, I should stop" really is. Here on Susan's occasionally a thread will be started about someone who is thinking of (or already is) detransitioning, but there is usually very little follow-up.

Perhaps they think of their DTing as a personal failure, as well. Interesting question, though.
Yes, there's always a few threads like that most forums and a couple in progress here today. I wonder if society wasn't so rigidly gender divided if it would be such a great issue. I'd like to think not...
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Carrie Liz

Grace, in regards to the question about "weirding out" those of us who are just starting HRT...

Trust me, it doesn't weird us out whatsoever. If anything, hearing all of the stories of people who started HRT, were on it for months, and then stopped only to regret it and end up feeling dysphoric all over again, is a huge reminder to us to have courage and see it through to the end.
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Lesley_Roberta

:) I belong to the school of 'burned all the bridges' approach.

I can't see the future, and I can't tell how easy or how long or how far I will get, but I have at least made it so going back is not an option.

Maybe I don't achieve some goals, but I am keeping all of my successes.
Well being TG is no treat, but becoming separated has sure caused me more trouble that being TG ever will be. So if I post, consider it me trying to distract myself from being lonely, not my needing to discuss being TG. I don't want to be separated a lot more than not wanting to be male looking.
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Ms Grace

Quote from: Carrie Liz on October 18, 2013, 09:53:21 PM
Grace, in regards to the question about "weirding out" those of us who are just starting HRT...

Trust me, it doesn't weird us out whatsoever. If anything, hearing all of the stories of people who started HRT, were on it for months, and then stopped only to regret it and end up feeling dysphoric all over again, is a huge reminder to us to have courage and see it through to the end.
heh, well I'm always happy to serve as a warning to others who might be considering bailing  ::)
I'm truthfully the happiest I've ever been now that I've resumed HRT.

The saddest thing was that after I quit I decided that I had lost touch with reality, that having sought transition in the first place was the result of being temporarily insane and that I would have to make the best of having been born physically male. Fair enough, everyone needs to frame their own experiences in order to make sense of them. Unfortunately and shamefully I decided that it also meant all other transgendered people were likewise totally off their rocker. At that stage I wanted to stand as a warning in the other sense, live my life as a male and prove (to who I have no idea) that one doesn't need to change gender to find peace. This was largely internalised thinking, fortunately I never went on a crusade or turned it into a thesis against ->-bleeped-<-, I figured I could respect a person's decision to transition but still "pity" them for having lost their marbles. That continued for a good ten years, even though I was still miserable living as a man it was something I clung to with grim fervour.

That started to shift when a friend of mine transitioned from female to male... while I was concerned for him, hoping he wouldn't regret his decision I also found myself thinking it was a shame the two of us couldn't have just swapped bodies - before transition he had been a very cute young woman, exactly how I would have wished to have been. He's been on T for five or six years now and totally enjoying his life with a supportive family and boyfriend (the same one from before transition). He helped to crack my arrogance and when it crumbled away I realised I had been deluding myself for the past twenty years or so. My gender dissonance had never gone away, if anything it was worse, and I was clutching at straws to convince myself I was happy in my male persona. So I ended up being my own warning against myself. Go figure.

Quote from: Lesley_Roberta on October 19, 2013, 10:02:29 AM
:) I belong to the school of 'burned all the bridges' approach.

I can't see the future, and I can't tell how easy or how long or how far I will get, but I have at least made it so going back is not an option.

Maybe I don't achieve some goals, but I am keeping all of my successes.

Yes, leaving all my bridges intact during my first transition made retreat too easy. Still it probably was a life line, had I not done that I doubt I would have survived the process given my mental and emotional turmoil. The weird thing is that I didn't enter into the process with high or false expectations, I'd done as much study as I could given the internet wasn't a thing back then - I knew the limitations of the HRT and what I needed to do to sort out what couldn't be changed with hormones. I even gave it time, more than two years. The big problem was not having the right support, or in fact, no support. I've seen through this forum and others that it isn't unusual for any of us to find ourselves in dark, dark places where self-doubt and worse rears it's ugly head all too frequently. That's why these forums are so vital to support and sanity. In addition to better counselling I really could have done with something like Susan's back then, too bad the internet wasn't a thing!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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big kim

In 1979 I planned to transition but lacked the confidence.I knew nothing about HRT,didn't know about electrolysis and if I had transitioned there was a good chance I would have failed.It took 12 more years before I transitioned to full time
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Carrie Liz

Quote from: Grace_C on October 19, 2013, 05:59:51 PM
heh, well I'm always happy to serve as a warning to others who might be considering bailing  ::)
*slinks over into a corner somewhere...*  :icon_redface:
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Ms Grace

Quote from: Carrie Liz on October 20, 2013, 07:26:36 AM
*slinks over into a corner somewhere...*  :icon_redface:
No need to slink away, dear, it's true I am happy to serve as a cautionary tale  :D
I guess everyone has to live by their decisions, if someone decides transition isn't for them then that's their decision... but it seems equally true that gender dissonance never really goes away so that needs to be factored into that decision too. Sure I was miserable at the time, for a who host of reasons, some real, some imagined, but with the right support I probably would have made it through and gone on to have a happier life as my preferred gender. Instead I've had 22 years of not that. Gotta live with that, but for others contemplating the same I'd just suggest checking their supports, do they have the best shrink/endo/friends, is fear and doubt poisoning their view of reality? Etc, etc, etc! :)
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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sweetlittlemisery

I understand the need to protect yourself especially if pulling away from transitioning is what it took to keep you going and were not coping very well. I'm glad you're finally seeing things through this time though. Enjoy who you truly are and cherish it :D
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Katie.D

I'm back after kind of a long vacation & soul searching session (where is that darn soul I put it down somewhere).  The difference between then and now is that I am seriously comitted to transitioning, and have been working with a wonderful therapist.  There's no problem in stopping out if you're not as sure as sure can be about where you want to be for the rest of your life.
Katie
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decepticonLaura

i went to a doctor in my home town, when i was twenty, and told him i couldn't continue as a guy....
he was supportive and interested and scheduled blood tests and psych evals for me
but i bailed on them because i had a phobia of needles, and also because i got beaten up frequently just for having long hair.
it took me another seven years to build up and move town and tell people and make an actual go of it and now that i've actually started i couldn't possibly go back.
i don't think that first time counts as a bail so much as a faltery first step though?
still... i think every day about how much better off i would be if i could have done it back then.
O this is progress towards perfection (the link is to my transition blog)
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