I am just here to point something regarding cis people.

[Reptillian]

Disclaimer: Not looking for an argument. Just sharing my own perspective. Also, I am not claiming all transgender believes in this or that.

I consider myself as a cis-genderless person and yes, I made that term up. The meaning is the perspective in which one has no gender mentality although does identity with his own sex as if one identifies with it by default. Now, I am not against any others' identities, but I have to say that no matter how much I read gender, I don't think I'll get the concept of gender, but to each to their own. I understand that gender has different meanings as well, so there's that too. As a ignostic, I also identify as a igender. Just transpose the concept of ignosticism to gender and you'd see what igender means.

There is something that's bothering me a while and it is projection that bothers me. From some individual in the transgender community, they do project their feelings of gender to cis-people as if they're speaking for them. To expand on it, some of the individuals asserts we have the feelings of being male/female and it matches our own biology. This completely ignores the existence of cis people who simply identify with their own biological parts because it is simply observable to them and others while yet does not have a internal representation of what they should be and not relying on feelings to make their conclusions.

As someone who falls under that cis-group, personally I am one of those people who simply does not get feelings of being male/female as it doesn't even register on my mind and it just is. The only thing that makes up me is my brain. If I lost my parts down there, then I simply will identify as neuter as it's basically what can be inferred from a certain perspective (I forgot the name for it). Empiricism? From my point of view (not applying to any of you), my mind's internal representation is irrelevant as what I think I am (Assuming I even do have one) is not nearly as important as what can be inferred from others.

One last thing, I used to identify as trans when I was 4 years old until my father told me that I am not. When I grow older, I see that there isn't really any major differences between males and females in terms of behavior and cognitive performance.  Now, I'm not doubting that there's differences between feelings of males and females, but this differences is only applicable to some people as some people of a certain identity do not identify with male/female and some cis people do not fall under it as feelings of gender is not even a thing in their experience.

[DriftingCrow]

Welcome to Susan's Reptillian!

I do understand what you're saying about feelings genderless, and you'll find there's other genderless members on this board as well.  I think sometimes though, trans people want to transition because their body doesn't match, not necessarily because they feel like they fall into the stereotypical views on male/female, although some do.

I hope you find what you need here.

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[Gina Taylor]

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[Devlyn]

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[Thylacin]

I think the word you're describing already exists, and it's "agendered"?

[Beth Andrea]

Welcome to Susan's!

From my point of view (not applying to any of you), my mind's internal representation is irrelevant as what I think I am (Assuming I even do have one) is not nearly as important as what can be inferred from others.

One last thing, I used to identify as trans when I was 4 years old until my father told me that I am not.

Do you see the connection between these two elements? Not starting an argument, just mentioning something I saw in your post.

No matter how you see yourself...that's how you see yourself, and what other people see doesn't change the "you" within. Right now, the "you" that is within, says, "whatever others see, that is what I am".

If I lost my parts down there, then I simply will identify as neuter as it's basically what can be inferred from a certain perspective

It sounds like your father took control of your "self" away from you, and caused you to only look to others for "reality."

I could be wrong, and please forgive if I am...but that's my perspective, as an abuse survivor.

[Reptillian]

Welcome to Susan's Reptillian!

I do understand what you're saying about feelings genderless, and you'll find there's other genderless members on this board as well.  I think sometimes though, trans people want to transition because their body doesn't match, not necessarily because they feel like they fall into the stereotypical views on male/female, although some do.

I hope you find what you need here.

I understand that gender-minded people comes in varieties of shades and colors. Some go by the stereotypical views while other feels that their body don't match and others just feels that it is different without the body dysphoria. Even those who fall under one gender group can have so much varieties.

Welcome to Susan's!

Do you see the connection between these two elements? Not starting an argument, just mentioning something I saw in your post.

No matter how you see yourself...that's how you see yourself, and what other people see doesn't change the "you" within. Right now, the "you" that is within, says, "whatever others see, that is what I am".

It sounds like your father took control of your "self" away from you, and caused you to only look to others for "reality."

I could be wrong, and please forgive if I am...but that's my perspective, as an abuse survivor.

Well, my thoughts has changed when I was younger as I was trying to observe differences that exists outside of physical capability and differences in bodies in terms of sex. It was just too hard seeing a difference between a male and female because they both seem to have very similar behavior if one is to operate on the assumption that they behave differently even if the difference is slight. As I looked back, I start to lose attachment to gender as it's not even a thing for me anymore. As when I was at 4th grade, I feel that it's more convenient going by sex as it's easier to infer whereas gender has no visible cues that I know of. One could be a crossdresser, or go against the societal norms or typical behaviors associated with that sex and yet, consider oneself a cissexual. Thus, I remain going from what you can observe as a basis for my own identity as feelings are just not understandable in my mind. Maybe if my father didn't say it, I could have ended up being trans for the rest of my life, but anyways, I'm fine with the way I am now.

Now, I'm not saying we should use sex as a basis for identity, but this seems a lot more easier and convenient for me as I can't even fathom the concept of feeling male/female while there are different interpretation of what gender. Different interpretations of gender kind of complicates thing to the point where I would refer myself as a igender. As pointed out, this line works on me, but I am not going to say it applies to other people as I understand that there are those who don't rely on sex for identity and there are those who do get the concept of gender or feels that it is applicable to them.

Besides all of that, I hope that I have at least introduced another concept that could fall under cissexual. One that don't understand feeling of being male/female and doesn't get what's different from males and females, has no internal representation of what makes up oneself, only relies on observable cues for identity, and uses the parts to identify oneself. In a way, one can perceive me to be genderless as I don't know what's the feeling of gender while one can also consider me cis considering I prefer to infer based on what one can see directly. Thus, cis-genderless. 

This begs me question, why do some people assert that cissexuals are that way because their gender feels so natural to them? I been trying to understand it, but I don't understand what's the feeling. I am here only to clear up some few misconceptions about some cissexuals as I don't seem to fall under some interpretations of them.

[Lexi Belle]

I understand that gender-minded people comes in varieties of shades and colors. Some go by the stereotypical views while other feels that their body don't match and others just feels that it is different without the body dysphoria. Even those who fall under one gender group can have so much varieties.

Well, my thoughts has changed when I was younger as I was trying to observe differences that exists outside of physical capability and differences in bodies in terms of sex. It was just too hard seeing a difference between a male and female because they both seem to have very similar behavior if one is to operate on the assumption that they behave differently even if the difference is slight. As I looked back, I start to lose attachment to gender as it's not even a thing for me anymore. As when I was at 4th grade, I feel that it's more convenient going by sex as it's easier to infer whereas gender has no visible cues that I know of. One could be a crossdresser, or go against the societal norms or typical behaviors associated with that sex and yet, consider oneself a cissexual. Thus, I remain going from what you can observe as a basis for my own identity as feelings are just not understandable in my mind. Maybe if my father didn't say it, I could have ended up being trans for the rest of my life, but anyways, I'm fine with the way I am now.

Now, I'm not saying we should use sex as a basis for identity, but this seems a lot more easier and convenient for me as I can't even fathom the concept of feeling male/female while there are different interpretation of what gender. Different interpretations of gender kind of complicates thing to the point where I would refer myself as a igender. As pointed out, this line works on me, but I am not going to say it applies to other people as I understand that there are those who don't rely on sex for identity and there are those who do get the concept of gender or feels that it is applicable to them.

Besides all of that, I hope that I have at least introduced another concept that could fall under cissexual. One that don't understand feeling of being male/female and doesn't get what's different from males and females, has no internal representation of what makes up oneself, only relies on observable cues for identity, and uses the parts to identify oneself. In a way, one can perceive me to be genderless as I don't know what's the feeling of gender while one can also consider me cis considering I prefer to infer based on what one can see directly. Thus, cis-genderless. 

This begs me question, why do some people assert that cissexuals are that way because their gender feels so natural to them? I been trying to understand it, but I don't understand what's the feeling. I am here only to clear up some few misconceptions about some cissexuals as I don't seem to fall under some interpretations of them.

I don't think anyone has really said much anything regarding "cissexuals."  Which is just normal anyway, so saying cissexual just seems blatantly irrelevant.

Of course, there are different variations in CIS people, there are ALSO many variations of trans people.  It is called gender dysphoria, for some of us, like me, it's a SEX dysphoria as well.  I do not want to be a man in any way.  Is it because I'm overly feminine? No. I have no idea why, I just don't feel like a man.

I still do generally boyish things like play video games, this "trans" thing in my experience has literally NOTHING to do with societal gender norms. NOTHING.  It is solely some kind of twisted brain mix-up that I felt since I was a very very young child.

I'd also like to think it is not normal for most CIS people to think they are genderless, my sister is a total tomboy, acted totally boyish most of her life but has absolutely 0 problem recognizing or saying she is female.  She knows she's female, she identifies as it.

I guess I'm not trying to argue, you wanted some misconceptions clarified, so that's all I'm trying to do is offer a little bit more understanding.

[Danielle Emmalee]

I think the word you're describing already exists, and it's "agendered"?

There is a difference.

If I understand correctly the igender answer to the question "Are you male?" is "What is male?" whereas the agender answer is "No"

Am I getting it Reptillian or am I way off the mark?