Not passing 10 months on T?????

[Brandon]

Brandon, I have them and it's not true.

It is surprising to me that you don't have kids and you'd tell me what is true all while I have them and I'm telling you it's not true.

This leads me to one glaringly obvious conclusion:  This argument is going nowhere, fast.

I guess I wouldn't care as much but now that I know you plan on raising kids there is this rising sense of frustration and sadness, you're kids are who they are.  You don't have to teach them to be anyone or how to be that one that you think they are.  You just have to give them solid moral and value foundations and they will be solid people with their own expressions.  I guess the part that is confusing to me is that if you were raised with the opportunity to just be focused on being a good person and know that you could be whoever you are... wouldn't there be so much freedom?

I am sure you know all there is to know, but your unborn kids deserve the freedom to find out who they are on their own terms.  As someone who is going to have to (hopefully) co-habitate the earth with your offspring, I'd prefer they be good people rather than them being properly your little girl or boy.  More-over, I'd prefer that they be good to themselves because they believe they can be true to themselves.  So many of us wouldn't be experiencing the pain we are had that been an option from the jump.

Ok, I'm all done now.

I'm not arguing with you, Just because you have kids doesn't mean anything and it's what you do for that child that means something, Your jumping to conclusions, All I was tryin to say was that mannerisms play a big role, And again that kids do watch what you do, Don't think that because I'm you that I don't know anything about children or How your suppose to raise them, It's all in what you expose your child to again Monkey see Monkey do

[Brandon]

Besides that I just think you should do a self examination of what could trigger the non passing and go from their and work on what you could change

[SI3]

Well that blew up rather fast

[aleon515]

I kind of doubt that people are not passing sometimes. Of course, I was misgendered right in front of this friend of mine who thinks I would pass all the time (I don't). But sometimes "friends" who knew you prior, can be particularly harsh. Mine aren't but that's likely to be my age. I am guessing that there is some percentage which people "pass" at and not passing is strange as I can pass in the same place in the same day (happened yesterday in fact). Who knows why? We are fairly sensitive to it, but I imagine it happens to cis guys, esp those with a more femme presentation or a higher voice.

It's probably a good reminder, but be yourself, I think people will eventually come around. 10 months isn't the history of the world so that one would expect this, I'd think.

--Jay

[SI3]

I kind of doubt that people are not passing sometimes. Of course, I was misgendered right in front of this friend of mine who thinks I would pass all the time (I don't). But sometimes "friends" who knew you prior, can be particularly harsh. Mine aren't but that's likely to be my age. I am guessing that there is some percentage which people "pass" at and not passing is strange as I can pass in the same place in the same day (happened yesterday in fact). Who knows why? We are fairly sensitive to it, but I imagine it happens to cis guys, esp those with a more femme presentation or a higher voice.

It's probably a good reminder, but be yourself, I think people will eventually come around. 10 months isn't the history of the world so that one would expect this, I'd think.

--Jay

Thanks Jay, appreciate all the input

[dylan30]

I agree facial hair would help as for "letting" it grow there is no letting because all I have that isn't invisible and blonde is two black chin hairs which do nothing for me. Sometimes I get so frustrated and think theres something wrong with me I feel like I used to be so appreciative of what t had done for me but now I'm just like well this is crap what's the point.

The hair will come in eventually. I was the same way.. only a hair or two for a while but then one day it just started coming in more. I still can't grow a full beard and I've been on T for 9 years now! However, it takes my brothers a LONG time before they can grow a full beard, so it's gotta run in the family. In any event, I honestly have no clue why these people are saying what they are. I just don't see it. You pass, and I'm not just saying that to be nice... you look and sound male. Best of luck to you!