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Started by jmann, November 26, 2005, 09:05:32 PM

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jmann

So, when you came out how did you begin the conversation? Most people here talk about how they came out to their mother, their brother, or whomever, but but how did you even begin this conversation with them? More importantly, how did you begin this conversation in a way that avoided the other person's preconceptions.

I ask this because there is a lot of talk about what needs to be said, like how I am still the same person, it is not his/her fault, etc. But I am looking for some help on starting the conversation.

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beth

              Find a good well balanced article on GID.  Copy and paste it to a word document, add a few things you know you want to say in your own words at the beginning and end. Put this in an evelope and ask the person to go to another room and read everything completely in the order it is in. If telling more than one person have them all read it in seperate places and then return to discuss it.

             This has worked wonderfully for me. I added my poems and some other things I have written.  Every person had the same reaction, tears, then saying how terrible it must be for me, then saying "Why didn't you tell us sooner.


beth
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Dennis

I used to use a very medical approach: "I've been seeing a number of specialists and have been diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder".

Then if they have questions, I say that they don't know what causes it, but they suspect a hormone wash in utero.

Dennis
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beth

QuoteI say that they don't know what causes it, but they suspect a hormone wash in utero

             That's what it says in my GID article but I'm inclined to think it is caused by some smart alec behind the counter at the human parts dept.


beth
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Cassandra

For me and this is just me. I just came out with it. This is who I am and that is that, take it or leave it. I have a very strong personality and I don't really care what other people think. I make my mind up about something and that's it. I made up my mind to come out and here I am today. Surprisingly it has worked out very well for me but everybody's case is different. It just boils down to what are you comfortable with and then go from there.

Cassie
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beth

              I agree Cassie.  Showing a strong will without doubt or hesitation is one of the most important things. If you leave any doubt it will start them thinking you can be "cured" or some such nonsense.  I firmly believe you have to educate them prior to telling though or they may be sitting there knowing you are strong willed about wearing panties and a trench coat to the park and flashing old ladies.  The average person has a very distorted view of what being transsexual means.


beth
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stephanie_craxford

Hello jmann.

Since I have a partner, she was always there when we came out to anyone.  That way they could see that we were both committed to this.  As for starting the conversation... we always came right out and told them what my/our situation was.  We didn't sugar coat it, or made it sound too simplistic, we told it the way it was.  We did begin by saying something like:

"This is a very hard thing for us/me to do but we/I have something very important to tell you, something that will affect all/both of us.  We're/I'm not sure if you have noticed anything different about me, or if you have noticed any changes with me, but simply put, I am a transsexual, which means that I am a female who is trapped inside a male body, and through a process called transition I will be changing my sex from male to female.  This did not happen over night.... etc... etc... explain... explain...

You can close with something like an understatement ...I/we know that this will change our relationship, but I/we hope that it will change it for the better, and that through this we will become closer still.

Be sure to give them space to ask questions, and be sure you have the answers.

The key is to arrange a meeting, dinner, get together, or what ever to specifically do this.  That way you have control of the surroundings and the atmosphere.  Do Not hijack someone else's gathering, or get together, you don't have that right, and it could complicate what is already going to be a stressful situation.  In a dinner situation, have the meal first, have desert, and then make the announcement, when everyone has gotten comfortable.  If you are not in a position to host or arrange a function, then plan to have a family meeting, and announce a date and time.  This way they know that something important is going on.

Quotehow did you begin this conversation in a way that avoided the other person's preconceptions

I don't think that you will be able to avoid preconceptions, or preconceived ideas.  These are things that they already have.  What you can do is to try and modify, clarify, dispel the fears associated with them etc... with how you explain things.  For example a person may think that snakes are slimy, but if you got them to touch one with the tip of their finger they would find out that they're not.

We have come out to all our family and friends this way (except my parent - by mail as they live in England) and so far it has been the best way for us.  Of course this doesn't mean that they all accepted my being TS, but they all sat and listened.  I've found that although it's very scary it's always a great relief.

Just my $.02 Cdn

Steph
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joanna

 

I am firmly convinced that the written approach is the best method in most cases.  This way the question of starting the conversation is solved.   I have been preparing a folder with all the coming out things I want to say to my daughter.  It is about 10 pages so far and I also have included several poems at the end.  I hope to present it during her Christmas visit next month.  I will give it to her when I know she has some quite time and then we can talk later.

I know she will be quite receptive.  I think she already knows a little about my other life, so I want to make sure she sees things from my perspective.  I know if I tried to tell her one-on-one things would not come out right and I would not  say everything that I wanted to.  This way I can read and re-read and make changes so that everything is explained in a manner that I am comfortable with.  Also I can get everything out in the open at once.

This is the first paragraph of my presentation to my daughter:
"We are not all who we may seem to be.  When you look at someone often you see only what is on the outside.  But we all have inner thoughts and feelings that for one reason or another we can't always share with others.  At least not until the time is right.  I hope with you this is the right time.  Anyway sooner or later you are going to know all of this, it might as well be now."   I think this lets her know in a very gentle way that the information that follows is very sincere and personal.  I hope she realizes that it was written with a lot of love.

No matter which method you choose it's probably not going to be easy.  This is a complex issue and needs to be handled very diplomatically.  The person you are explaining it to is going to have a lot of questions and you need to try and anticipate them and be ready to explain your feelings and desires.  Having Internet references and material as others have suggested is a must.  You will need all the help you can get. 

I wish you the very best.


joanna

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Leigh

joanna

Just something to think about.  I'm sure you know what TMI stands for: To Much Information.

When someone is dealing with a subject that is unexpected or unpleasent they are only able to absorb so much at one time.   I would recommend editing down to no more than two pages, emphasizing that this is about you.  That she has been caught in events that she had no control over and did not cause.  Ask her to please come to you as soon as she feels comfortable discussing this with you on a deeper level than could ever be put on paper. 

I had no choice but to do mine over the phone before it came out in print.  It was an up and down conversation with all the W's.  Whys, whats, who. when, are of them with alot of confusion.  One thing to remember, do not ever say I will never do________ or_______.  People seem to remember broken promises much longer than resentment or emotionial hurt.

Leigh
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jmann

Well, thank you all for the ongoing discussion. I did write a letter to a friend about a month ago, but I did not send it...yet. I think joanna's articulation is what I wish I had, "We are not all who we may seem to be.  When you look at someone often you see only what is on the outside.  But we all have inner thoughts and feelings that for one reason or another we can't always share with others.  At least not until the time is right."

I actually started: "To put this in a letter is so cliché. However, I do not yet know of a better way to convey the following that does not create more anxiety than I can handle..."
then I go on in a story format that everyone is familiar with me using to then get to my point about half a page into the letter: "I think you will agree that for 22 years I have done an adequate job living up to my obligation to present myself as a boy and young man. At times this can be easy, and at times this can be hard, however I am now coming to accept that this was all wrong."

I really want to do this in person butI know but I cannot handle that yet.

Actually, I will just post the whole letter Comments are appreciated but I will probobly just rewrite the whole thing again more to the point but in the same style. Stuff in blueI am not happy with and will change when I think of something better:

----LETTER----

To put this in a letter is so cliché. However, I do not yet know of a better way to convey the following that does not create more anxiety than I can handle. And I know better than anyone, the more you write, the better you become at doing so.  Also please remember that this letter is confidential, well at this point in time anyway.

You gave articulation to something that has troubled me for a long time. I do so many things out of unjust obligation, and miss many things for which I have a desire. It is not like I have not understood what forces cause me to act, it has just that I lacked a real description of the process. As I suspected you noticed, there was something bothering me during our conversations on the topic that I just could not vocalize. You brought me a way to explain something I can finally share with you:

So, I was born on the afternoon on August first in Hillcrest Hospital in Cleveland. Presumably, or at least the stereotypical story would have it that I was immediately wrapped in a blue blanket. This simple symbolic action has dictated every expectation for me since that point. We live in a society where one's sexual organs sit at the core of every obligation, from the type of toys one is expected to play with to the field of study pursued. Moreover, one has an obligation to conform to this gender role in order to maintain an acceptance.

I think you will agree that for 22 years I have done an adequate job living up to my obligation to present myself as a boy and young man. At times this can be easy, and at times this can be hard, however I am now coming to accept my long time feelings that this was all wrong. This is something that I and everyone else who was ever in my position knows was wrong since his or her first memories. However, it is rationalized in one's own mind as a phase or some urge of insanity that can be ignored or even that everyone experiences the same internal struggle. So what is different now? I realized after that gender is an aspect of identity and not the social ramifications of a physicality. Also, I realized that I am running out of time, more figuratively than literally, but what I mean is that my life will not stop and wait for me. Nonetheless, the road ahead is a rocky unpredictable journey called "transition" and I can use all the the friends I have.

There have been so many things keeping me from reaching this point of acceptance and action about my own identity. I feared loosing everything; from the sports of running and triathlon to my place in The Administration; everything. Then I had the epiphany, and over the last month or so all of my fears and inhibitions have started falling in place and the answers just appear. Do not think, however, that this is a new development. I knew that I would reach this inevitability for many years, and I have understood the process for this point and forth for just about as long. In fact, since I knew that it was possible to transition from one gender to another, I knew I would one day reach a point of action. Often I think that this would have been so easy if I was still seven, ten, or even twelve years old, but I have been there, and it seemed even harder then.

So many things are now clear.

As you articulated, "the only reason to do something is a desire to do so." Well, the desire lies with living in the gender that I can only feel is correctly mine, and I have worked to burry. This 22 year desire to be myself is hidden very well under years and years of obligation to those who raised me and the society in which I was raised. However, now I question how much of the obligation I had perceived and how much was really there. Being transgendered is not a choice, it is an aspect of identity one is born with and will die with still intact. The only choice is to accept or repress identity and I have finally reached the point where I accept it.

I have no idea what you are thinking now. You may be wondering how you could have known me for almost 18 years and never knew, or you may have suspected this all along. You may be confusing gender identity with sexuality. I bet you thought that you would never know someone in the situation I am experiencing. More than anything else, I suspect you are wondering what happens now and what steps I have already taken.

Finally, this is the point when you drop what you are doing and call me. I want you to know that I will answer ANY questions you have about ANYTHING. Yes, anything. This is my last secret. As I wrote, I have no idea what you are thinking now. I do want you to know, however, that you are number one on my list of around three hounded people to whom I need to communicate my real identity. I would like to now, instead of later, identify who is in my circle of friends and who is dead weight. There is no doubt I will loose friends, but I suspect I will also find friends I didn't know I had. As Dan and I have always agreed, we are going to have one interesting high school reunion.


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joanna


Hi Leigh and jmann,

Leigh, thanks for the kind critique and words of wisdom.  I guess I am trying to pour out everything at once.   I'm still working on this and I'm sure I can eliminate several more pages.  The last three pages are poems.  I'm putting the presentation together in a very professional layout and it is personalized.

Jmann,  this is only one of the very good recommendations that have been presented here.  I hope whatever means you chose, it will just happen to be the best.  Your letter is very well written and I'm sure the person you will be giving it to will read it with love and understanding.  My letter to my daughter expresses a lot of the same feelings and emotions.  I just know in my heart this is the right way for me.   I sincerely hope it will be the right way for you to.

Best wishes,


joanna


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JenniferElizabeth

All though I haven't done this yet. Mainly because I haven't found the nerve to confornt my father. He will be the first person I tell. See I only have my father, he and my mother got devorced when i was around 5. And I haven't seen her since. I do have 2 , I guess step-mothers.
( he has been married 3 times). One who helped raise me
and my brothers mother ( I haven't been in contact whith her in15 some odd years). but, as far as dad goes, he should know something. You can't be that blind. Whith all the clues I have left over the years. And as far as me and my brothers go, were not really close at all.
    So, what I have to do is figure out how I'm going to tell him abotu this. I'd be lying if I sad I wasn't scared. And I
know he knows allittle, because my wife spilled the beans to HIM and my 87 yr old grandmother. He did call and ask me, but, I fell into denial with him. So, I'll have to do more searching to find more letters and see how I'll do mine.
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sharidove

Melissa started the conversation with stating her fears to them first. It made them go into reassurance mode. It worked really well.
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Cassandra

You're an exception Shari, just like my wife. Caution, though, needs to be the rule. I have read all too often the consequences from others who came out and this should be taken into consideration, regardless of what anybody says in this thread. We are all just outside observers of your situation and can only speak from our personal experinces.

Cassie
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Cassandra

That would be rule # 429 of the Rules of Aquisition.  ;D

Cassie
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