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Started by MaryXYX, September 28, 2013, 08:23:18 AM

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MaryXYX

I'm really not good at either too, but I reckon I need to learn to manage such situations better.

The next encounter was the following week.  I was sitting with a couple of other people and he approached from behind me, so I didn't know he was there until he touched my hair and made some comment about it blowing away - it was.  Then he put his hand on my shoulder.  Both of these are a bit over friendly but not objectionable.  I pulled back and put my hand to my face in an obviously defensive pose and he withdrew.  I must have been on automatic because I hadn't planned that sort of response.

I do feel I have to learn responses that discourage unwelcome approaches but don't lead to conflict.
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nessa76

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on September 28, 2013, 03:44:25 PM
If #3 doesn't work go to 4.

4. Punch him in the nose or grab his junk and squeeze hard.

Grab his junk and squeeze hard seems the better option. Punching him in the nose is not very lady like  ;D

Edit: Especially if one is wearing a dress/skirt lol

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Chaos

Quote from: MaryXYX on October 07, 2013, 11:31:50 AM
I'm really not good at either too, but I reckon I need to learn to manage such situations better.

The next encounter was the following week.  I was sitting with a couple of other people and he approached from behind me, so I didn't know he was there until he touched my hair and made some comment about it blowing away - it was.  Then he put his hand on my shoulder.  Both of these are a bit over friendly but not objectionable.  I pulled back and put my hand to my face in an obviously defensive pose and he withdrew.  I must have been on automatic because I hadn't planned that sort of response.

I do feel I have to learn responses that discourage unwelcome approaches but don't lead to conflict.

I think you did good with the withdraw.even if you felt the extent was uncalled for,this is a perfect time to have that respectful conversation with him on personal bounds,how it made you feel and things like that.The removal was a good sign that he got how it made you feel.So i would take advantage of the situation and let him know.Just give a more understanding and im sure it wont lead to conflict.
All Thing's Come With A Price...
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Shantel

Quote from: Chaos on October 31, 2013, 03:58:28 AM
I think you did good with the withdraw.even if you felt the extent was uncalled for,this is a perfect time to have that respectful conversation with him on personal bounds,how it made you feel and things like that.The removal was a good sign that he got how it made you feel.So i would take advantage of the situation and let him know.Just give a more understanding and im sure it wont lead to conflict.

I think you're right Chaos, too bad it even has to be though. It's my observation that some cis men think they are too cool to have to be constrained by boundaries around women and assume that women think they are cute when they do these things which I suspect is coupled with an underlying low opinion of women in general. Same is true of cis women who can clearly see evidence that a man is married and is wearing a wedding band but still proceed to make every effort to insert themselves into the union using flattery and visual effects to gain attention. We seem to be living in a time where for some there are no boundaries and everything goes.
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Skittles

My take on this is that a situation like this can turn on you if handled badly. You stated it is a social setting. Have you confided the discomfort of the situation to other girl friends? We naturally protect each other as the strength is in the herd. You may want to stay in the middle of the herd. A simple, "why do you keep pawing on her, can't you see she doesn't like it?" will sometimes do more than trying to settle it alone. When I encounter that sort of thing I always try to be a lady first. Evasion is my first tactic, I look with the eyes in the back of my head and seldom sit in a way people can come up behind me. Also girl friends can alert you he is swooping in. Many disapproving female eyes will shut down most men. If that does nothing your creep meter should be pegged. A discreet conversation with your local PD may be in order too. Formal charges or a restraining order can also initiate a dangerous clandestine vendetta from him. They can just keep a watchful eye and it is proof you are the victim, not the instigator. From there, watch him and your own behavior, what does it look like to others. That's sad but maybe fact.

Here is a scenario of it turning on me. Regardless of what I do, I am a potential target. Let say God forbid, I am arrested for any reason in an altercation of trying to physically protect myself. If I make a huge inappropriate scene, I have just been culled from the heard. If it goes to the courthouse docket, I am sitting in the same row as others of petty offences. As the news media is scanning for juicy mud and ratings, they scan the line. They pass over all others as nothing they can use. Oh boy! We have a headline. PERVERT TRANS SEXUAL ATTACKS UPSTANDING CITIZEN, FLEES TO LADIES ROOM AND HOLDS CHILDREN CAPTIVE! NASTY PERPETRATOR BROUGHT TO JUSTICE TODAY! Don't doubt that is could never go just that overboard. They would have their sensational headlines, then my life becomes a circus and they don't care the damage done to me or my children. I am an expendable non-human in their eyes, so they care little if it would ruin me. The burden of proof may be on the accuser, except the news media and also smears of public opinion. Tell me I'm wrong?

Please tread carefully. Touching an man in the groin, any contact there of any kind, not matter how well deserved, instantly brands you the pervert. After all, they all know that is your true underlying motive, to get to men's crotches. Don't let our societies sickness harm you. Don't ever open that door. Hug. Joann
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Skittles

Quote from: Skittles on October 31, 2013, 10:28:15 AM
My take on this is that a situation like this can turn on you if handled badly. You stated it is a social setting. Have you confided the discomfort of the situation to other girl friends? We naturally protect each other as the strength is in the herd. You may want to stay in the middle of the herd. A simple, "why do you keep pawing on her, can't you see she doesn't like it?" will sometimes do more than trying to settle it alone. When I encounter that sort of thing I always try to be a lady first. Evasion is my first tactic, I look with the eyes in the back of my head and seldom sit in a way people can come up behind me. Also girl friends can alert you he is swooping in. Many disapproving female eyes will shut down most men. If that does nothing your creep meter should be pegged. A discreet conversation with your local PD may be in order too. Formal charges or a restraining order can also initiate a dangerous clandestine vendetta from him. They can just keep a watchful eye and it is proof you are the victim, not the instigator. From there, watch him and your own behavior, what does it look like to others. That's sad but maybe fact.

Here is a scenario of it turning on me. Regardless of what I do, I am a potential target. Let say God forbid, I am arrested for any reason in an altercation of trying to physically protect myself. If I make a huge inappropriate scene, I have just been culled from the heard. If it goes to the courthouse docket, I am sitting in the same row as others of petty offences. As the news media is scanning for juicy mud and ratings, they scan the line. They pass over all others as nothing they can use. Oh boy! We have a headline. PERVERT TRANS SEXUAL ATTACKS UPSTANDING CITIZEN, FLEES TO LADIES ROOM AND HOLDS CHILDREN CAPTIVE! NASTY PERPETRATOR BROUGHT TO JUSTICE TODAY! Don't doubt that is could never go just that overboard. They would have their sensational headlines, then my life becomes a circus and they don't care the damage done to me or my children. I am an expendable non-human in their eyes, so they care little if it would ruin me. The burden of proof may be on the accuser, except the news media and also smears of public opinion. Tell me I'm wrong?

Please tread carefully. Touching an man in the groin, any contact there of any kind, not matter how well deserved, instantly brands us the pervert. After all, they all know that is our true underlying motive, to get to men's crotches. Don't let our society's sickness harm you. Don't ever open that door. Hug. Joann
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Skittles

That was supposed to be an edit, not a quote. Joann Ditz strikes again! Giggle. Sorry I do have my blonde moments.
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MaryXYX

The setting where I meet this guy is a social group for lonely and vulnerable people.  I'm a volunteer and he's a client.  Yesterday he was a bit more "friendly" than I would like but not what I could call inappropriate.  I think I should go to something like "please don't touch me, it makes me uncomfortable".  Even though I am comfortable with a hand on the shoulder or something like that.

The other volunteers would be happy to back me up, but I want to try to control the situation by myself.
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Sophia Hawke

Be direct.  Its the only way to be.  Hints and cues can be mysteries to most.  A casual, hey I'm not interested or get out of my space IS GREAT.  I can personally tell you in my mansperiences that women can at times be confusing to men when hormones are involved.  If all else fails, a firm, get lost loser will certainly get the point across.
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MaryXYX

Quote from: Sophia Hawke on November 02, 2013, 04:45:11 PM
Be direct.  Its the only way to be.  Hints and cues can be mysteries to most.  A casual, hey I'm not interested or get out of my space IS GREAT.  I can personally tell you in my mansperiences that women can at times be confusing to men when hormones are involved.  If all else fails, a firm, get lost loser will certainly get the point across.

OK - I do need to learn to be firm too.  I'll try to keep him completely off me.
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Sophia Hawke

Quote from: MaryXYX on November 02, 2013, 05:26:27 PM
OK - I do need to learn to be firm too.  I'll try to keep him completely off me.

Personally wouldn't mind some of that attention coming my way.
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