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Alternatives to Divorce?

Started by Genzen, November 13, 2013, 12:58:55 PM

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Genzen

My wife and I love each other very much, we are best friends and work well together taking care of the kids and home. I'm wondering what types of alternatives have worked for others to save their relationships when one person transitions? Open marriage, polyamory, polygamy, porn, ect...
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spacerace

Do you have an extra bedroom in your house you can at least temporarily relocate to? Sometimes the extra space can really let both of you figure out what is important to you without the pressure of needing a separation right away.
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Jenna Marie

I'm assuming your wife is no longer interested in a romantic or sexual relationship with you? I don't mean to ask prying questions, but the only solution I know personally is that my wife adapted eventually and we've remained happily married, and I can't tell if that's an option still for you.
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Sarah Louise

My spouse and I have been married for 47 years, we have had to overcome many things during this time.

We almost divorced when I transitioned, but we managed to survive it.  It wasn't easy and took a lot of work on both of our parts.

One thing that would have ended it immediately would have been either of us getting together with another person sexually. 
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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Robin Mack

I'm still feeling this out with my partner/fiancee.  She is pansexual, which helps.  She is quite attractive to me, and is attracted to me regardless of my plumbing.  The problem is she really likes the bits of me that cause me dysphoria, which makes her feel like a pervert because she knows how much it distresses me, but I feel bad because I feel like I'm depriving her... and the cycle continues, at least until I can finally get SRS or we work out a way forward.  We are both polyamorous, which could help, but her health isn't very good right now; she has little or no energy to pursue outside relationships.

But we're working it out by communicating with each other and listening, being willing to keep working on things until we get it right.

So, I guess that's about the only advice I can really offer, dear Genzen.  If she is strictly heterosexual and is no longer attracted to you and/or vice-versa, perhaps you can live together as best friends.  If there is still attraction there, I suggest you communicate about it.  Otherwise I suggest you communicate about it, too.  And I *strongly* recommend you two continue to go out on dates and do things for each other to help you realize how special you are to each other, regardless of the direction things go.

*hug*
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Natkat

I don't think its all the same. Many people think my parrents are divorced but my parrents where never marrige, they where simple boyfriend/girlfriend who moved together before I where born. Yet my mom and dad are like cat and dogs and they couldn't really live together for a longer period.
the last many years they lived seperated, my dad live in the countryside and my mom in the city and there having a good relationship like very close friends. they talk by the phone more or less everyday, go on vacation together and so on, I am pretty satified with how it is.




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Sydney_NYC

My wife and I are in this "what do we do?" phase. Our relationship is currently in the "It's Complicated" status right now. She is pansexual, and you would think that it helps but it makes it more confusing. We are best friends first and also soul mates and have always been lovers second. We have been married for 16 1/2 years and only in the last few years has she realized that she was bisexual (sometimes leaning towards lesbian.) We are both kinky and active in the BDSM lifestyle for 8 years or more. I came out to her in September as Transgender but she already knew as I had first came out as Gender Fluid years ago. (She is also Gender Fluid, but not transgender.) The issue is that she's not sure if she is sexually attracted to me, especially during transitioning. The main issue is that she doesn't know what she wants. She likes tall men with green eyes (the old me) and petite women with brown eyes (the previous girl she had a D/S relationship with as her bottom and I'm my wife's bottom.) They are still friends and spend time together, but nothing romantic due to the other person's personal issues. (I should write a book about this one day!!)

It's very frustrating as we sleep in the same bed and hold each other. (No problem there.) She says she's not interested in sex with me and will kiss me. However, if I kiss her on the lips she gets upset saying that it's not to be sexual. Yet, she will kiss me on the lips and it's OK with her then. I point this out to her and she apologizes and starts to say that let's just see what happens. A few days go by and then I try to be close and the cycle starts over again with her saying we're just friends for now. We have been to couple's counseling over the years many times and that has helped tremendously. However I think it's done the maximum it can do (and our counselor aggress.) We all agree that it's all up to my wife at this point.

It's not really about me being Transgender for the most part. It's about her. She isn't out to her family about being pansexual and doesn't want to face the. (Her family lives 800 miles away in TN.) My family knows of everything about me and supports me 100%, with the exception of my father who lives in GA. (My parents divorced when I was 12 and both remarried.) So I one issues I think she is facing is that me transitioning and in a way forcing her to come out to her family. (They are not religious, but are from the Southeaster US.)

To complicate matters further, we have a small business together and work at home. (We have a home office.) However we don't always work on the same project. (We are software developers.) Probably 2 days out of the week we are seeing clients or working together on a project. Unfortunately we only have one car (but we can get into Manhattan with public transportation easily, just not the rest on NJ. For most of our clients one of us needs the car it we have to visit them in person. Having another care is something we need to resolve soon, but with costs of transitioning, it's been difficult to save. (We declared Bankruptcy last April due to a family business on my side of the family that failed and I had sign for several things. My brother who also was in that business is doing bankruptcy now himself as a result. So getting loans or leases can be more challenging.) (Like I said, I should write a book about this.) The car is needed more for her having her own social life as she feels the need to separate that a bit.

For now she is actively dating with discretion (on her part) other women (but not ruling out men), but nothing serious right now. (She knows I'm OK with this.) She has only had a sexual encounter with another woman as a scene (on several occasions) in the BDSM lifestyle sense and her last relationship would have been more if her friend had not had her own issues. I was (and still am) OK with this as she needs to experience this so that this will help her decide what she wants. It's still painful for me in ways, but I know (and have told her) that, she needs to find what makes her happy. I don't want her to stay with me based on obligation or a marriage vow we took 16 1/2 years ago before I admitted to myself that I was transgender and she was pansexual and both of us kinky. We are nowhere near the people we where then. So yes "It's complicated" for sure.
Sydney





Born - 1970
Came Out To Self/Wife - Sept-21-2013
Started therapy - Oct-15-2013
Laser and Electrolysis - Oct-24-2013
HRT - Dec-12-2013
Full time - Mar-15-2014
Name change  - June-23-2014
GCS - Nov-2-2017 (Dr Rachel Bluebond-Langner)


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Murbella

Yup, this is the conversation I was looking for tonight...  My wife jokes that she's been with more women than I have on occasion, and she's probably mildly bisexual.  There was one night after I came out to her where it seemed like the thought of me having a more feminine body might have done something for her (I think we conceived our third child that night, it was wonderful).  As time goes on though, it feels more and more like she's not going to be interested in me if any more drastic changes than hair removal.  She's about 3 months pregnant with our third and I've committed to not starting HRT until after we get over the sleepless phase of raising an infant.

We've been together for 7 years and married for 5, and the thought of not seeing her and the kids every day of my life is hurtful, but on the flip side I couldn't go on in the marriage if I knew I made her unhappy.  I also worry that in general I'm not really getting what I need out of a relationship with her though.  She's never really been all that affectionate.  With the years of marriage, kids, the death of her mom, my coming out, and the current pregnancy it is to the point where if I would be lucky if I received even a hug from her in any given week.  I hope that all these things just add up to place her in a mindset that can't contemplate affection, let alone what will happen if I was to pursue HRT.  Perhaps when he body becomes her own again without being pregnant, breastfeeding or being hopped on by toddlers, and she has a chance to come out from under the shadow of her mothers passing somewhat, the part of her that can physically express love and affection will shine again.  Perhaps then when she has that emotional bandwidth back, the thought of being with me while in transition and after won't seem as foreign... but that all requires waiting for something that may never come.  I don't think she is unwilling to try so we have that. 

That willingness comes from the love that we still share.  I know she still loves me regardless of her ability to express it in ways that I find meaningful right now.  We have nearly identical senses of humor (dark, cynical, and nerdy), we like all the same things, we agree on just about everything politically, and we are excellent parents together.  It's just that it has been a while since I've felt like her attraction to me has been important to her.  Perhaps I just can't see the ways that she expresses how she is attracted to me, or she just doesn't have any desire to express it right now.  I still also have trouble understanding how she perceives I will change that will be unattractive.  I suppose that this is mostly due to the possible changes better reflecting some ideal I have developed for how my outward body should reflect my internal self image, but she hasn't had an entire lifetime living with that ideal self image and has no bias to see it as a positive when paired with the person she fell in love with.  Yet her thoughts that she will not be attracted or have a desire to be in a romantic relationship with a more feminine me is what I hear as her reasoning for why things probably won't work out if I transition.  I say "what I hear" because in general, she just doesn't even want to talk about it, so my ability to comprehend any true underlying feelings is limited.  Her and I are alike also in the way we deal with issues in our lives, we shut down and look for distractions.  If we ignore the issue long enough it'll go away right? . 

All this for me though, just seems to serve to make the idea of starting HRT now all the more interesting.  I might as well go forward with my plans and attempt to be happy myself if the marriage isn't going to survive, but then that's basically me declaring it a failure and giving up despite the love we still have for each other.  I want to do whatever I can to make this work.  We stated in our vows that we would stick together through good times and bad, and this could be both depending on perspective.

Mostly I just wish it felt like she was trying to make everything work too, which sometimes I doubt... but I can and will hold out hope.