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Started by LittleV, November 10, 2013, 10:34:47 AM

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LittleV

Hi,

I was hoping that some of my fellow sisters would be able to help with a situation that I've been having recently.
Omitting my previous history I'll jump to the time I started having the issues.

I have been on HRT for eight months since beginning of this year. All was well untill the last few days of therapy I began to apprehend that this wouldn't be the right thing for me and that one day I'd wake up being feeling like a man and think "what the hell have I done". This could've been spurred by the effects of therapy having started to go down hill. So I've decided, or rather made a paranoid decision, to de-transition.
And so I did and I even refrained from thinking about this for quite some time.

I quit one job I took in an atempt to get over this and it didn't work, I didn't fit.
A week ago a former colleague called me up with a bussiness offer and I accepted. But simultaneously there came a change in me regaining confidence about my looks and started feeling like "her"-the way I felt through my transition. Althought it's hard keeping that mindset in a male working environment with everyone treating me as male, I've managed to keep it up for a few days. But then I started having reversions to my male persona. The reversion to the crying, lost, depressed, confused little boy who couldn't even cross the street for how he feels, which is happening more frequently and more intensely each passing day. And I feel that way right now. But what I fear the most is going back to the stoic, emotionally benumbed and uncaring personality that I adopted when I first tried to get over these feelings. And I don't like being that. Lately I've been able to make "her" come alive and she's more confident and stronger than I am; when I am her I can even get around my body disphoria and accept how I look like. And she's more ambitious and eager to learn and get ahead in life than I am. I never had that when I was growing up. I never got properly socialised, only learned to get past the social interactions and situations and fend off people. When I was her I could feel, and I want to feel but all I can feel now is despair.

In short, my question is: what do you do to stop reverting to the male mindset? I'm off therapy so that isn't helping and I think my endocrine system is going back to it's natural state and I FEAR this as I don't want to lose her.
But I know that people here cannot give me the answer and would advise me to seek therapist, but I can't go to a therapist as there are none that deal with these issues in my country and I can't afford journeying hundreds of kilometres just to talk to one.
And I'm NOT looking for a clear answer, no one can give it, I just want to talk about it. I just want a better understanding of this I'd be really grateful if some of you shared your similar experiences with me.

Love, Vanya.

P.S. I edited the post so as to make it more legible.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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LittleV

Anyone have a word of advice? How to keep up the female mindset in a prevalingly male environment without the option of transitioning at the moment?
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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KayCeeDee

The only thing I can say is that keeping on hormones and getting through that sticking point was my answer.  I think everyone has doubts and whatnot during the process.
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LittleV

I had that in the back of my mind and was hoping someone would say that. Thank you for the reassurance.
It's not so much about the doubts but the fact that I can keep up the confidence and the female mindset for sometime but then I would sometimes start losing that.
Could it be that this is hormone-related issue?  I think I never had this while I was on hrt.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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Sephirah

Quote from: LittleV on November 10, 2013, 11:38:26 AM
Anyone have a word of advice? How to keep up the female mindset in a prevalingly male environment without the option of transitioning at the moment?

Take some time each day to get back in touch with yourself. The real you. I've found it helpful to do through meditation - visualising a place within your mind which you can feel safe, and free to express yourself, and then utilising relaxation and breathing techniques to reach that place, to positively affirm to yourself who you are, who you want to be, and to also reaffirm that you don't have to live a certain life 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's very freeing. And stays with you for some time afterwards.

Also, one other thing I would suggest is to try to steer away from thinking of yourself as separate people, as a male you and female you. I've found that only causes dissociation and even more dysphoria. Maybe a better course is to, once you know who you are, to try and get into the habit of feeling that no matter what happens to you, it's your mindset. That even though you don't feel as confident, or happy, or assertive as you do when you can express yourself, you never actually stop being yourself. That is to say that when you keep in your mind your own self image, and keep reaffirming to yourself that it is actually you, then you start to deal with life with a certain... one-ness, if that makes any sense. And you start to feel like "Okay, I may not be able to do the things I want to do as me, but no matter what happens in life, it can't actually stop me from being me.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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LittleV

In "male and female-self" I was only trying to differentiate between the ME I've became so far on my journey and my habits and behaviour from before, and the fear of going back to that... I guess I'm paranoid.  :laugh:
I cherish your advice and I'll try to build upon it.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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Sephirah

You're not paranoid, hon. It's a very legitimate thing to be scared of. You take so long to come out of your shell that the thought of going back into it is sometimes terrifying. What I meant about differentiation though, is something I found out by accident really. The knowledge that it is just a shell. That it's not who you really are, you know? That you've come so far on your journey and found out who you are. And once you know that, you can never stop actually being that person. Even if life forces you to walk other paths that you don't want to. The inner core of yourself is still there, and still driving you.

It's like... hmm... once you know something, it's very hard to un-know it. And by keeping that in mind, it can often help to alleviate the stresses you may feel when you feel pushed into a corner and like you're going backwards. You aren't going backwards, just stopping for breath before pushing forwards in your journey of self discovery. :)
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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evecrook

I have doubts all the time , but I look at my entire life and look at what bought me here. I'm guessing your pretty young. Things will work out. I totally agree you shouldn't be splitting your personality in two.
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LittleV

Quote from: Sephirah on November 10, 2013, 12:38:06 PM
You're not paranoid, hon. It's a very legitimate thing to be scared of. You take so long to come out of your shell that the thought of going back into it is sometimes terrifying. What I meant about differentiation though, is something I found out by accident really. The knowledge that it is just a shell. That it's not who you really are, you know? That you've come so far on your journey and found out who you are. And once you know that, you can never stop actually being that person. Even if life forces you to walk other paths that you don't want to. The inner core of yourself is still there, and still driving you.

It's like... hmm... once you know something, it's very hard to un-know it. And by keeping that in mind, it can often help to alleviate the stresses you may feel when you feel pushed into a corner and like you're going backwards. You aren't going backwards, just stopping for breath before pushing forwards in your journey of self discovery. :)
I feared that I might "un-know" it, the real me I've become once the shell was starting to crack. But because that knowledge was almost but not exactly in my grasp, I started to fear that anything can topple it now.
It's reassuring and validating to know it's a common thing or at least comprehensible that I feel this way.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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Christine167

I go through this a lot as well. Not the detransition part but the part wondering if I will look in the mirror one day and just feel rotten like a man in a dress.

I find that it's just the comfort of the old life I had. It just so easy to follow that old script for the same old show. This new life is very hard work. Much like learning to do a new show or career you are starting from scratch and having to keep up the old one to get by. We all did it before growing up, working some crap job, going through school and then after we graduate we still have the crap job and struggle to find the one we studied for. We are doing just that again now. Growing up all over again.

We can do it. I believe in us. We can reinvent ourselves as something more than what we were. Strong successful women in whatever we choose to do.
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LittleV

Quote from: evecrook on November 10, 2013, 12:49:50 PMI totally agree you shouldn't be splitting your personality in two.
Yes, I agree too, but I was only referring to the changes therapy and transition bring about (or at least should bring about from what I've read from others' experiences), or coming out of what Sephirah termed "the shell".
I'm sorry I brought that up, it makes transition look so trite. It's really wrong to use such void terms when the experience is just the opposite.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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LittleV

Quote from: Christine167 on November 10, 2013, 01:04:57 PM
I go through this a lot as well. Not the detransition part but the part wondering if I will look in the mirror one day and just feel rotten like a man in a dress.

I find that it's just the comfort of the old life I had. It just so easy to follow that old script for the same old show. This new life is very hard work. Much like learning to do a new show or career you are starting from scratch and having to keep up the old one to get by. We all did it before growing up, working some crap job, going through school and then after we graduate we still have the crap job and struggle to find the one we studied for. We are doing just that again now. Growing up all over again.

We can do it. I believe in us. We can reinvent ourselves as something more than what we were. Strong successful women in whatever we choose to do.
I never had any real comfort in my old life; guess you could say I'm luckier in that respect than most people here, that I have so little behind me to throw away so as to make progress on my path easier. Actually it does make it easier, and I am eager to go through this, to learn from the scratch again, but only properly this time.
I felt like a little girl growing up. But I can't refrain from wondering if I'm doing it wrong.

Amen to the last three sentences!
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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evecrook

This is a hard thing to do. You learn as you go.
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Sephirah

Quote from: LittleV on November 10, 2013, 01:15:19 PM
But I can't refrain from wondering if I'm doing it wrong.

Hon, depending on what you believe, you may only get the rules to the game of life once you've finished playing.

All you can do is the best you can do. Learn from mistakes, grow from experiences, treat people the way you would want them to treat you and be the best person you can be. As for the right way to do that... in my opinion, there isn't one. There's just everyone's own way.

You don't have to be perfect, you just have to be you.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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LittleV

Thanks everyone, this took a huge load off my back.
I'll try and keep my head levelled and get on with therapy and transition as soon as possible.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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awilliams124

Hi Vanya,

I think this may already have been said but I have only one mindset - MINE. Conselling helped me to accept that I am a woman and my dysphoria started to disappear from that point on.

Could I suggest that concentrating on looks and such is putting the cart before the horse? There is a whole dysphoria spectrum as I'm sure you know and you may find it more useful to work with a therapist again to find out first exactly where you are on that spectrum. This might help you avoid having to make on, off, and on again transition decisions.

I hope you find your way without too much prolonged discomfort.

Amanda xx
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LizMarie

I've linked this before but you sound like some of these patients:

http://www.avitale.com/TNote15Testosterone.htm

Basically, because we have MTF brains (female brains), testosterone sets off our GID. After being on hormones a while, the GID abates because the testosterone is suppressed and we're getting the right "fuel" for the brain - estrogen. But some of us begin to believe that we're cured, that we're somehow over this, etc., so we stop HRT and go back to living as a male. When that happens, the testosterone levels rise again, triggering our GID again, leading to the side effects of GID that you are describing.

Your case appears to be a perfect example of this. You apparently don't really want to transition but were going to because of your GID but when you got the chance to go back, you did and now your GID is hitting you again.

If anything, I'd say this is pretty strong proof that you are trans and would be better off if you did transition and stick with it.

But that's your choice to make.
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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LittleV

@awilliams124 Hi, Amanda, thank you for responding.

The way you put it exactly describes my case; I accepted that I am a woman and disphoria was pretty much gone. For the last five or six days it was, so to speak, made secondary--even non-existant at times. You could say I was at peace with myself. And all the while being off-hormones for a month and a half. But I don't know if my case is such an odd one that I sometimes revert back to my old way of thinking, and become constantly depressed and a bit of emotionally numb.
But when I come to think of myself as female all the rest follows, the change in thinking-pattern, way of dealing with issues, communication... Could be just the confidence and a better sense of self-worth. Don't know. What is really funny is that I have to do this on daily basis as I get anxiety and do not feel ok at all and cannot even think straight untill I do this. But something just won't let that come to pass the last couple of days. Chemistry?

Yes, it did occur to me at least once that I might not fit into the "classic" transsexual category, although I think I could qualify. But apparently I have issues than need to be handled with more care than I thought when I plunged into HRT, although my therapy was made the safest option there possibly is. And I wouldn't even think of SRS untill I was dead-sure I won't regret it.

Unfortunately, speaking to a therapist is not an option for me because, even if I found one no one could guarantee they'll handle my case properly or that I will be content with the end result. I'm sure you've heard of gatekeeper kind of therapists and also the of ones who are more lenient to give letters of recommendation so we have (had) a good number of regretted transitions. Fortunately, we live in the age of internet and these issues are handled with better understanding but in the part of the world I live in the dark ages still haven't passed. :sarcasm:

The only time I did actually take steps towards dealing with my disphoria was HRT from Jan to Sept this year and it was actually the best feeling I ever had. I don't know why I stopped it. And lately, I've been able to relive that female mindset feeling of content, pride and thinking; it's just that I keep reverting, whether it be chemistry, something in my brain or the male work environment.

Funny but last night I was rushed to go out and wasn't sure if my hair was ok, and I just put on one item of clothing that was outside of my comfort zone, and the disphoria returned. And then came the depression this morning and I tell myself "I don't want to rush it or panic, I'll just relax and let it pass" but it doesn't pass and at the end of the day I can't even think straight.

I'm sure everyone will find clues that validate my want to transition, but am also conscious of the ones that refute it.
I guess the only way to test this is HRT which is delayed indeterminately at the moment, and I'll have to approach it with utmost care when (or IF) I start it again.

Thank you.

Love, Vanya.

@LizMarie, Thank you for replying.
I think I have somehow mislead on one small point; I never wilfully stopped HRT, I just had doubts about it which were worsened to the extreme by other problems I was facing at the time (unemployment, family issues, loss of any social life, fear of ostracization, even condemnation) and with a heavy heart I stopped it. I think I was kind of lead to believe (by others) that it was wrong for me more than I actually felt that way. And being a perfectionist I could not give into it that it was ultimately right for me if there were any doubts about it.
I am thankful for your support and kindness. These are the decisions that I will have to make on my own, and may even choose not to do this, even though it's comforting to know that I could be a possible transsexual. I've kind of always identified with them, even before puberty but for whatever reason I did not completely aknowledge it untill my early twenties.

Love, Vanya.
I've found it takes love to make or do something, and without love it's senseless; void, empty, vain.[/color][/center]
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evecrook

all I can say is take your time. I'm transitioning later in life. Even though I've dealt with this issue my entire life , It just took along time for me to accept my self as a transsexual.
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