Cis people on transgender HRT?

[KabitTarah]

Has there ever been any incidents or studies done on cis people going on transgender HRT regimens?

I just wonder if they experience some of the things we feel pre-HRT... though I can't see a study on that being very ethical

[Shaina]

Hmm, I haven't heard of any cis people undergoing HRT as extensively as trans people but I'm sure there are cases.

A lot of older women in my family recieved hormone therapy during menopause and after a hysterectomy but it wasn't the same, obviously. Though they now know there are risks involved don't be surprised if I do the same once I get hot flashes! 

[~RoadToTrista~]

I believe David Reimer did for a few years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

[bethany]

I have heard of someone fighting prostate cancer being on estrogen to battle it. I don't know how this affected him mentally.

[Sharon Lynn]

Prostate cancer.  If you'd want an ethical study group, that would be one for you.  I also think triple-negative breast cancer might be on the list, but not totally positive on that one.

[BunnyBee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

He was convicted of being gay (basically) in the 50s and agreed to take estrogen instead of go to jail.  He committed suicide a couple years later.  He was a very influential mathematician and his death was a senseless loss.

[KabitTarah]

I was just curious because of that argument... "this is how you'd feel too... if you had the wrong hormones" - I assume they'd have the same sort of general dysphoria that plagued me all day today.

I believe David Reimer did for a few years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

From wikipedia...

He was raised as a girl on estrogen treatments... so this is probably the best example of "making transgender" because of his botched circumcision as a MAAB child. He essentially detransitioned back to male status sometime between 1980 and 1997 (14 - 31 years old).

He committed suicide, but it doesn't appear to be directly related to hormones (though it was perhaps related to his overall condition).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

He was convicted of being gay (basically) in the 50s and agreed to take estrogen instead of go to jail.  He committed suicide a couple years later.  He was a very influential mathematician and his death was a senseless loss.

Though the synthetic estrogen treatment ended a year prior to his suicide and only lasted a year...

[BunnyBee]

You couldn't claim causation there at all for sure.  However,  I think we, of all people, know that subjecting your brain to the wrong sex hormones along with experiencing the horror of watching your body take on the wrong secondary sex characteristics can have dangerous and devastating effects on the psyche, as can being utterly rejected by society for who you are.  He went through all of those things.

[KabitTarah]

You couldn't claim causation there at all for sure.  However,  I think we, of all people, know that subjecting your brain to the wrong sex hormones along with experiencing the horror of watching your body take on the wrong secondary sex characteristics can have dangerous and devastating effects on the psyche, as can being utterly rejected by society for who you are.  He went through all of those things.

I definitely think that's part of it... for both of them.

I do not think it could have been hormonal. (Though if Turing were sufficiently neutered, the lack of hormones could have had an effect).

[Jill F]

My therapist told me that cisguys on E usually end up miserable, cranky, irritable and depressed because they lack the estrogen receptors in their brains that release endorphines when they are fed estrogen.  When crossdressing cisguys take estrogen, they usually can't take the mental effects for very long. 

For me estrogen was exactly what my brain needed to function properly.  It was like I had PMS my whole life.

[big kim]

Not sure how true it is but I've heard glam punk rocker Michael Monroe has taken a low dose of HRT for many years.He's got great hair for a guy in his 50s

[Jessica Merriman]

For me estrogen was exactly what my brain needed to function properly.  It was like I had PMS my whole life.

A BIG amen sister. I was mad at the whole world and burnt almost every bridge I traveled on. I had anger rages that scared a lot of people and did not make friends of anyone. Now I love everyone (almost) and apologize to everyone that will listen.

[Ms Grace]

My therapist told me that cisguys on E usually end up miserable, cranky, irritable and depressed because they lack the estrogen receptors in their brains that release endorphines when they are fed estrogen. 

...and no doubt has an effect on their T levels (my endo used E to knock down my T)...so probably less thinking about and having sex...no wonder they were cranky and miserable!

[Jenny07]

If E can make me feel this good them I'm sure it would make a cis guy feel equally bad. Sort of like how I used to feel.

[bingunginter]

I believe I am a cis guy, as average as any other guy before I knew about ->-bleeped-<-. HRT works just as well for me.

[Adam (birkin)]

Prostate cancer.  If you'd want an ethical study group, that would be one for you.  I also think triple-negative breast cancer might be on the list, but not totally positive on that one.

Perhaps, but dealing with cancer is in and of itself very traumatic...so...it wouldn't be the most accurate because of course they'd feel terrible!

[Natkat]

My parrents have and are both on homones. My mom is on an androgyne (mosty E) homone, and my father have been on testostorone.
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theres also caise where female get testostorone or men gets estrogene.
Female with a low libido have ex been giving testostorone to get a higher sexdrive, and (obviously) some women in sport have also used it to cheat.

I know men have got Estrogene in a way to lower there sexualety if there jugded to be in risk for sexual molest or already have been there and are in threatment.
also theres other exemples, I dont remember for cancer, but this thing agenst baldness is also a kind of E I belive?
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[Andrea_LS]

My therapist told me that cisguys on E usually end up miserable, cranky, irritable and depressed because they lack the estrogen receptors in their brains that release endorphines when they are fed estrogen.  When crossdressing cisguys take estrogen, they usually can't take the mental effects for very long. 

For me estrogen was exactly what my brain needed to function properly.  It was like I had PMS my whole life.

Let me give another AMEN! Seriously, for me it was like I realized I fixed screws I never ever knew were loose.

...I had the (dis)pleasure of living with a cross-dresser that decided to take estrogen haphazardly just to feminize, and was miserable and angry all the time. To make it worse, I would get told things like "but really you're a guy" and get called "dude", which was totally aggravating.

[Sammy]

My endo said that if a guy was to take estrogen that would change his internal chemistry and he would eventually evolve into female. But we did not discuss mental effects though - I just asked if starting HRT would be some sort of transgender litmus test and she essentially stated that it is not.

[KabitTarah]

Let me give another AMEN! Seriously, for me it was like I realized I fixed screws I never ever knew were loose.

...I had the (dis)pleasure of living with a cross-dresser that decided to take estrogen haphazardly just to feminize, and was miserable and angry all the time. To make it worse, I would get told things like "but really you're a guy" and get called "dude", which was totally aggravating.

Wow... that does sound like a bad idea, then. I wonder if his E levels were normal (which if it wasn't done under an endo... probably not).

My endo said that if a guy was to take estrogen that would change his internal chemistry and he would eventually evolve into female. But we did not discuss mental effects though - I just asked if starting HRT would be some sort of transgender litmus test and she essentially stated that it is not.

It sounds as though she might be saying it shouldn't be used as a litmus test. I can't imagine that the number of people describing mental calming effects are wrong... even considering the placebo effect

If a man taking estrogen would become female... than a woman taking testosterone would become male... which also would mean there's no such thing as transgender (except as a psychological condition). We know that isn't true!