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Argument against pastor's argument of anti-LGBT

Started by lavini557, December 07, 2013, 03:40:09 AM

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Thylacin

It has nothing to do with whether or not I agree. The responses to the questions are fallacious arguments, and they're just ad hoc attempts to justify bigotry and ignorance.
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Eva Marie

This argument is one that's going to be a very, very, hard sell to the pastor. As a kid he was probably raised up in a fundamentalist family structure and then he went to seminary and had other things pounded into his head and now his beliefs are set in concrete. What he's saying and believing is right in line with many other mainline denominations, and it's a comfortable and well known position. There is safety in numbers and conventional thinking and beliefs, and there are dire circumstances for daring to think outside the box - for example, he could quickly be tossed out of the church for accepting LGBT people into his congregation. His position is set.

The solution is to find an enlightened church that will welcome you, and is not concerned about what you are wearing or who you are. I believe that churches like this are a lot closer to how Jesus would have us worship and serve then those other buttoned down churches. These churches are a little bit harder to find, but they are out there.

I found a MCC church in my area and went dressed en femme and was warmly welcomed by the people there. It was refreshing to simply focus on the message and not have to worry about what people were thinking about me.

Romans 3:23 tells us that:

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

and Romans 10:13 tells us that:

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Hmmm.... churches sure have made simple things complicated.
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Dana_H

The way I see it with respect to trans is this:  God puts the soul into the body and Satan can do nothing to your soul without your consent. However, Satan can easily muck about with physical matter, including our bodies. If there is a discrepancy between the gender of the body and the gender of the soul we can say one thing; God doesn't make mistakes, so it must be the body that is out of order. By allowing a trans person to transition and be accepted within the community, we set things back into harmony with God's plan. By that argument, being anti-Trans can be considered a sin.

This can also be seen in many intersex people who have a particular gender identity but who may have ambiguous genetic characteristics. This could be argued to be proof of Satan mucking about with the person's genes to trick him/her into a path of sin.

If you are of the Christian systems that don't regard Satan as an actual entity, but as more of a metaphor, you can just point to our physical bodies as being imperfect forms made of crude matter that don't always correspond to our perfectly-born souls.

Of course, plenty of religious authorities would argue that I am just repeating lies whispered to me by the Ol' Deceiver. Funny thing about the Bible; you can use it to prove just about anything and someone else can use it to disprove everything you propose. Ultimately, you just have to go with whatever your heart says is the Godly answer.
Call me Dana. Call me Cait. Call me Kat. Just don't call me late for dinner.
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