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Why can't you be yourself and Remain a man?

Started by RobinGee, December 05, 2013, 08:07:27 PM

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RobinGee

My wife, after I upended the applecart by saying there was a part of me that wanted to consider transition and or hormones,  totally freaked out on me.  She's always known I have tg issues, but I've always maintained that I identified as male. 

One thing she asked me and I could not answer,  why I can't just add whatever behaviors to my maleness.

I couldn't answer
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MugwortPsychonaut

I hate that question. I think most of us have heard it before, and it sucks. A legendary punk rock icon once told me, in regards to transitioning, life is short, and you have to be you. The same legendary punk rock badass also said the people who can handle you are your friends. Those who can't, you give them room. They'll come if and when they're ready.
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Jill F

Oh, did I ever try to play out the hand I was dealt.  I thought for decades that I could get away with it and die with my deepest, darkest secret intact with nobody ever suspecting a thing.   I didn't even allow myself to wear women's clothes until last year when I had my meltdown. 

The problem was that this little thing that was just a whisper in the background when I was a kid turned into this thing that felt like it was constricting and clawing at my brain when I was 12.  I learned to cope with it with denial and suppression, then later on, drugs, alcohol and overeating.  When I was in my 20s it got worse.  I stuck to my guns and I was still able to tough it out.  In my 30s, during a very stressful time I overate, drank a lot and got quite large.  Somehow, the moobs were somewhat comforting and losing weight wasn't the priority it should have been.  I still thought there was really no way I was actually transgender. I told myself it was a passing thing I could get through, and I kept up the denial.  Dysphoria levels were never constant and came in waves anyway.  I started smoking a lot of weed and drinking even more as soon as I could afford to.  I kept going through this horrible cycle until I had serious health problems that caused me to lose all of the excess weight.  Then the dysphoria hit like a ton of bricks.   I NEEDED to wear women's attire and be well, myself.  It was very painful at times and I spent a lot of time crying in a fetal position with a teddy bear.  I wanted that thing between my legs gone forever and to be seen by all as a girl, and knowing I probably could never do it made it worse.  I didn't want to live like I was, but deep down I knew I didn't really want to die either.  That little whisper had become a sad, angry woman screaming in my head and it just wouldn't go away anymore.  My life became impossible to live as it had been, I was at the end of my rope and I got help.  My therapist basically saved my life, pulled me out of the gutter and set me free.  I'm also very grateful for my wife being so understanding and having the same shoe size as me. 

If I had not got therapy and hormones when I did, I'm not sure I'd be here right now typing this.   It seems most transsexuals are presented with 3 alternatives once the initial coping mechanisms fail: transition, be miserable and eventually go crazy or die.  Nobody wants to be a transsexual, but it was certainly my best option and I'm glad I went there.  I am happy for the first time in my adult life and I want nothing more than to run out the clock smelling the roses.
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Eva Marie

I have heard the exact same thing from my wife. We are separated now unfortunately because my answer wasn't satisfactory to her.

My answer? The "me" that she knew and that I thought I was for 50 years..... was a fabrication. Sure, maybe I could go on trying to live that lie, but living like that was killing me one drink at a time. Why was I drinking? To escape who I was. Like Jill it started out as a whisper, a gentle breeze blowing when I was about 45, and by the time I had reached 50 it was a shout, a hurricane.

My therapist rescued me from where I was headed; thank heavens I found her when I did.

So no, I could not go on being that person and still be alive. I could have chosen to keep living the lie and die, but instead I made the choice to live and be my authentic self. Sure it's been hard and there are plenty of challenges that lie ahead, but the alternative is far worse.

If people don't like what I've had to do - tough, they don't have to walk in my shoes - I do.

Never let anyone tell you who you should be. Make that decision for yourself.


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FalseHybridPrincess

Im not sure If I can answer that myself , everyone has their own answer...

But for me being a man feels like suppressing my self, like living a life thats not mine.
Its as if someone decided to prank me and put my soul or whatever in the wrong body...

How can I remain a man while having all those feelings inside me?
Its as if my real inner self wont allow it anymore...and Im fine with that.
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Ms Grace

That kind of question just shows a lack of understanding for what trans people are feeling. It's like saying to someone they should only read a few pages of a safety manual to get a "feel" for it but without ever reading the rest even though their life depends on it.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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big kim

I tried it til I was 32.I was blotting it out with beer,speed and weed and heading for a coffin.I wouldn't have commited suicide but had an accident,many times I set the kitchen on fire cooking while wasted or passed out in the bath.It was like putting a sticking plaster on a bullet wound.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: particle on December 05, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
One thing she asked me and I could not answer,  why I can't just add whatever behaviors to my maleness.

For me it's not about behaviors.

I don't need to be LIKE a woman.

I need to BE a woman.

I've never actually felt drawn to female behaviors. I never crossdressed, for example. I've just always had this thought that it would be wonderful if I truly was a woman.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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ChelseaAnn

I have to agree with part of what Jill said. I thought I could take it all the way to death. But there was one day watching my then 3 month old that I realized eventually my alone time would consist of less than an hour a day, and I couldn't live with that. After truly confronting the problem on my own, I came out.
My wife and I tried to compromise several times, with each being somewhat closer to transition. But in the end I realized that what I needed was more than a double life. I needed to be what I felt on the inside. Adding behaviors wasn't part of it. Being effeminate wouldn't work for me either. Matching the mind to the mirror, so to speak, is what really matters to me.
http://chelseatransition.blogspot.com/

MTF, transitioning in 2015
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KabitTarah

Early on I got a lot of this... from my wife and my parents. They were basically asking me to just be more androgynous and remain male. Ask any androgyn if it's easier to be halfway... Heck... it's starting to get difficult on me (though I like the changes :P) because I'm looking much more fem and am still clearly male.

What they're doing is entering a bargaining stage of grief. You'll also experience denial and anger from them.

Besides all that... I feel terrible. Sometimes absolutely terrible for days at a time (though usually just for a few hours). My hormones are screwed up and I need them fixed. I never would have made it 35 years if I hadn't found my own ways to put a patch on the problem (I was fat... obesity significantly reduces testosterone and I can absolutely tell that for true now that I've lost a lot of weight - or I'm nuts... but my therapist doesn't think I'm crazy).
~ Tarah ~

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RobinGee

This dysphoria spike started when I started losing weight while resistance training.  I think that losing the round disguise with moob shrinkage and t release from the fat, triggered something visceral in me.
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kira21 ♡♡♡

Tell her to dress up as a man and be a man for even a week, and just add her femaleness to that, and she will have her answer.

Zumbagirl

Quote from: particle on December 05, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
My wife, after I upended the applecart by saying there was a part of me that wanted to consider transition and or hormones,  totally freaked out on me.  She's always known I have tg issues, but I've always maintained that I identified as male. 

One thing she asked me and I could not answer,  why I can't just add whatever behaviors to my maleness.

I couldn't answer

The longer and longer I have lived life now in both sexes the more I understand that a lot of "gendering" is social in nature and only enforced by the downstairs plumbing rule. I think that is a very shallow view of the world and one that non-T people understand but refuse to accept. Both men and women break gender rules and boundaries every day and it's no big deal unless they are called out on it. Ask any woman who grew up a tomboy playing with toy trucks  and toy guns but still turned out to be a normal woman.

Growing boobs, removing facial hair, growing our head hair and ultimately altering the downstairs plumbing isn't a social "gendering" exercise anymore and that's the taboo in my mind. That part is where the non-T world draws the line. Going down this path means taking on not just the social role but the physical role as well. People get scared because they don't know who this new physical person is, what they will be like, etc. will they still like do the old things they did before but in a different physical form, or will that change too? One can go on and on with rhetorical questions.

So if you took on female related social gendering but didn't physically change does that still make you the same person? If you took on a new physical form as well as social is that the real end goal?
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RobinGee

That's not even remotely the same.  I've had 38 years to adapt to being male.  Yes I feel like a robot, but it's vaguely viable.

It's not a symmetrical situation.  In order to come close, I'd be so swishy, the same social stigmas would hit her
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JillSter

Quote from: particle on December 05, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
One thing she asked me and I could not answer,  why I can't just add whatever behaviors to my maleness.

When you're drowning, why can't you just pretend to breathe? That'll work, right?

Our loved ones don't need to understand why we are the way we are. They only need to understand that it's real, it's not going to go away and it will eventually eat us alive. They don't have to like it. They just have to accept that reality sucks sometimes; but we do the best we can, and we stick with the people we love through the hardest of times.
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Northern Jane

Why? I don't know. Why at age 14 was I seriously driven to cut off the offending bits? Why, at 20, was I on the brink of suicide because SRS wasn't available? Why, because I WASN'T a man, couldn't pass for one, and didn't wasn't to be one.
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Katelyn

Why the hell do you want to be in a gender that looks down and stigmatizes you for being yourself? 

It's damn unhealthy to be naturally feminine and born a genetic male.  You either have to put up a front or have to deal with being looked down upon by a society that celebrates masculinity and macho traits.  As a woman, you are free to be feminine and live up to your feminine potential.  It helps tremendously when you can get positive feedback from others when you are being yourself.

Anyway that even just disregards body dysphoria, as in that maybe some of us also desire having a female body?  Not to mention the inner gender dysphoria of much of us of what gender we feel like?
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RobinGee

One of the weirdest things is that I can't separate masculine strength from violence in my head.  The image if myself in my head is this tall, athletic woman, strong and feminine.   I can't be her without changes.   
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Tessa James

That "image" in your head says a lot about you Particle and may be the core of your identity concerns.  One thing I am learning with my transition is that I really do not know when and how this will turn out.  For me the biggest change came with self acceptance.  Counseling and HRT have provided a journey that I had only imagined and I am a different girl/woman than I expected.

You can be that strong and feminine person and explore your options as you make some of those "changes" even while still presenting as male.  It is a complicated dance for you and your partner and not everyone has that "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" feeling like I did.  And then I don't recommend waiting as long as I did either.

Being transgender usually means those images in our head will not just go away.

Answer the call to be yourself.  Live free!
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Gina_Z

Quote from: particle on December 05, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
My wife, after I upended the applecart by saying there was a part of me that wanted to consider transition and or hormones,  totally freaked out on me.  She's always known I have tg issues, but I've always maintained that I identified as male. 

One thing she asked me and I could not answer,  why I can't just add whatever behaviors to my maleness.

I couldn't answer

Tell her it isn't just about female or male 'behaviors'. It's about the totality of who you are and your identity. I think she is worried about losing your male side. Maybe she doesn't want to lose your ability to have sex with her? What are her fears? Maybe she's afraid of what society will think about the two of you as a couple. Get into her head.
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