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Clothing specificly MtA

Started by Comrade Eva, April 02, 2013, 02:36:08 AM

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Comrade Eva

I was wondering about the specifics of androgynous clothing. my wardrobe is currently made up of androgynous clothing brought entirely from the mens section. i am not entirely satisfied with this and was wondering if anyone had any ideas concerning the adoption of more feminine clothing in order to obtain an androgynous look with a hint of femininity. i understand this might not be very easy for a male bodied person like me but i would appreciate any help that anyone is willing to give on the matter.

Thank you.
Eva.
Eva  :)
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Jamie D

I have found that you can get out of your "comfort zone" with bright colors and prints.  I like womens-cut jeans (jeans being THE most androgynous article of clothing in the world).  Though my friend here, Sarah7, will scoff, Hawaiian shirts add a certain je ne sais quoi to your wardrobe.
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Kaelin

Feminine clothing itself can be tricky.  At least for my (bio male) body type, feminine cuts for "tops" tend to not lay well, and a lot of the stuff may not fit your sensibilities.  Certain skirts and sleeveless a-line/empire style dresses can work aesthetically for someone who isn't too big in the belly (and in my experience these skirts/dresses typically look a lot better than feminine tops on a bio male), but they are frequently regarded as a bridge too far.  It's too bad, because if you're looking to "average out" as androgynous, and you can't venture too far out in the feminine direction on any given day, then you may feel like you have to stick with something neutral almost all the time (as opposed to sometimes adopting a more masculine look when you feel like it or find something interesting).

This may not count for what you're looking for, but another option can be jewelry.  You may be wary of the offerings in the department store, but certain offerings can "balance" more masculine clothing.  Painted nails may work, too.
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Antonia J

I'm 5' 9" and have a 34" waist and 31" leg. I have to say...modesty be d@mned...that I look really good in Misses Levis skinny leg size 12. Very andro and look good matched to some womens puma sneakers.
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Padma

People's unconscious is trained to gender a lot by clothing, and it's surprising how much difference wearing shirts or jeans cut for women make to people's perception. I dress at the masculine end of the spectrum, but in women's clothes (apart from socks and shoes), and this gets me a lot of female titles and pronouns from strangers, in spite of me being 190cm.

And the women's cuts (especially jeans) just feel more right to me. Even though they don't leave enough room for surplus tackle.
Womandrogyneâ„¢
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Comrade Eva

Thank you.
this does at least give me somewhere to start.
I guess the best thing for me to do is just experiment and see what works
Eva  :)
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Comrade Eva

Well after two weeks I found out that the clothing that I have is fine for androgynous Presentation.
I worked on my voice and mannerisms and I'm managing to appear more androgynous.
the only problem now is my dark facial hair (I get 5 o'clock shadow about 4 hours after i shave.)
I still intend to adapt to a more feminine wardrobe as my confidence improves.
as far as coming out is concerned I have had surprisingly positive responses from the people who I thought would be most hostile about it while the people who I thought would be most supportive have been somewhat indifferent. I haven't told my parents yet as i am not due to see them to early next mouth.
it is very hard to come out when you don't yet know what your exact gender identity is.
Eva  :)
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Comrade Eva

Just to make a note that the above is no longer relevant as I have since realised that I am MTF.
Eva  :)
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Stella Stanhope

Primark! :D I buy all my "shirts" and trousers and blazers from the women's section! They just about pass as male, they have a much better cut and are much more stylish AND they are about 3-times as cheap as the badly-made suits in the male section. Its fantastic, I can crossdress everyday to work, wear lovely fabrics and feminine cut clothes....and yet its still within the boundaries of male because of the strong masculine influences and elements to many female fashions these days. Win win win!

(also works with jumpers, coats and such). So perhaps try covert crossdressing in the female section and buying the stuff that's just about passable as male :-)
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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VeronicaLynn

Is there a way you handle being called out on this? I got called out once on sunglasses, of all things. They are the one thing that are not generally in a clear mens/women's section, at least the cheap ones, I apparently bought a pair women's sunglasses, thinking they were unisex...
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Pica Pica

I get called out a lot but always for the wrong stuff. So I have a male pair and a female pair of spectacles but it is the male pair that people regard as 'women's glasses', nobody has spotted the female pair. Similarly, I always wear female suit trousers and jeans but it has been the purple shirts that I have been called out for even though they are male.

The lesson to be learnt is, nobody is really all that sure what is supposed to be male or female anyway.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Stella Stanhope

QuoteIs there a way you handle being called out on this? I got called out once on sunglasses, of all things. They are the one thing that are not generally in a clear mens/women's section, at least the cheap ones, I apparently bought a pair women's sunglasses, thinking they were unisex...

I don't get called out, I sometimes get initial odd reactions from people, whereby I can see that they are unsure about what gender I'm supposed to be conveying. I can see that they are working out how to treat me, whether to be amused or not bothered, whether to say something or not etc. I gauge how long they are thinking and react accordingly and before they have a chance to decide for me (which could potentially put me in a humiliating situation), I overtly show them what I'm presenting as.

1. If they seem amused, baffled or hostile about my gender ambiguity through clothing and style - I'll ensure that they hear my deep voice, and may shake hands firmly with them, and make a point of dropping in a subtle hint about my having a girlfriend or being a Mr at somepoint. This usually diffuses any situation as A: they won't have a "gay panic" and B: I will become familiar, and therefore safe and trusted despite the initial perceived weirdness and confusion about me. Therefore no reason to belittle me or beat me up.

2. If they seem to realise I'm gender-queer or want to look feminine, then I'll simply ease off the male traits and let myself be more feminine. I won't feel the need to do any subtle male presentation crap. I can just be myself, which is a natural mixture of masculine and feminine. This second scenario is of course much more preferable and in an ideal world would be the only option I'd wish to encounter.

Some people have asked why I care about people's reactions and why I tailor my response. They ask why I don't just "Say it loud and proud" that I'm genderqueer etc. And my reply to that is that being loud and proud generally p*sses off 99% of the public (most of whom are binary conformists), who when feeling threatened may well become difficult, passive-aggressively or in rare extreme cases - violent. So instead of trying to buck the system by standing up like a nail to be knocked down, instead I simply undermine the system where I can whilst outwardly pretending I'm part of it :)

If you seem familiar and safe to people, then most won't see you as a threat and therefore they'll be no reactionary response towards you. So I get to wear blatantly feminine coats, blazers, trousers, and have my hair styled-up like a girl, but if someone tries to call-me out as a "->-bleeped-<-" then I just casually bring out the deep voice and react with in-credulousness and a good-humoured response which overtly states that I see myself as male. So they tend to look like idiots, as they would be expecting some sort of stereotypical response from me, and instead I've just acted like they've least expected. Usually they'll either shut-up or strike up a normal conversation with me simply to save-face. Sometimes the convo's lead to genuine enjoyable interaction. Thus the potential situation is avoided.

We owe the public nothing, especially honesty. They'll think what they want about us anyway. So best way to have your cake and eat it is to become really skillful at dealing with all kinds of people - gauging reactions, making-up convincing lies on the spot and generally seeming as non-threatening and charming as possible. :)

Hope that helps!
There are no more barriers to cross... But even after admitting this, there is no catharsis... I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

When you find yourself hopelessly stuck between the floors of gender - you make yourself at home in the lift.
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Shantel

I don't get called out when I'm buying an article of clothing that is specifically intended for women and I'd like to think that people are polite and considerate, but I have to deal with the reality that I am in no way what one would call either passable or pretty and I think the real truth is that I am just plain intimidating. Whatever.....it works for me, ( Miss Piggy hair toss) meh!  :D ;D
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VeronicaLynn

Quote from: "I'm Stella Stanhope, and that's why I drink". on December 15, 2013, 08:18:19 PM

1. If they seem amused, baffled or hostile about my gender ambiguity through clothing and style - I'll ensure that they hear my deep voice, and may shake hands firmly with them, and make a point of dropping in a subtle hint about my having a girlfriend or being a Mr at somepoint. This usually diffuses any situation as A: they won't have a "gay panic" and B: I will become familiar, and therefore safe and trusted despite the initial perceived weirdness and confusion about me. Therefore no reason to belittle me or beat me up.

2. If they seem to realise I'm gender-queer or want to look feminine, then I'll simply ease off the male traits and let myself be more feminine. I won't feel the need to do any subtle male presentation crap. I can just be myself, which is a natural mixture of masculine and feminine. This second scenario is of course much more preferable and in an ideal world would be the only option I'd wish to encounter.

Some people have asked why I care about people's reactions and why I tailor my response. They ask why I don't just "Say it loud and proud" that I'm genderqueer etc. And my reply to that is that being loud and proud generally p*sses off 99% of the public (most of whom are binary conformists), who when feeling threatened may well become difficult, passive-aggressively or in rare extreme cases - violent. So instead of trying to buck the system by standing up like a nail to be knocked down, instead I simply undermine the system where I can whilst outwardly pretending I'm part of it :)

If you seem familiar and safe to people, then most won't see you as a threat and therefore they'll be no reactionary response towards you. So I get to wear blatantly feminine coats, blazers, trousers, and have my hair styled-up like a girl, but if someone tries to call-me out as a "->-bleeped-<-" then I just casually bring out the deep voice and react with in-credulousness and a good-humoured response which overtly states that I see myself as male. So they tend to look like idiots, as they would be expecting some sort of stereotypical response from me, and instead I've just acted like they've least expected. Usually they'll either shut-up or strike up a normal conversation with me simply to save-face. Sometimes the convo's lead to genuine enjoyable interaction. Thus the potential situation is avoided.

We owe the public nothing, especially honesty. They'll think what they want about us anyway. So best way to have your cake and eat it is to become really skillful at dealing with all kinds of people - gauging reactions, making-up convincing lies on the spot and generally seeming as non-threatening and charming as possible. :)

Hope that helps!

Thanks, I didn't really look at it this way before, but it makes sense, seeming as non-threatening and charming as possible...
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Shantel

Quote from: VeronicaLynn on December 19, 2013, 11:40:18 PM
Thanks, I didn't really look at it this way before, but it makes sense, seeming as non-threatening and charming as possible...

Stella and I are on the same page when it comes to this!
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Space Pirate

My solution has been to go goth, and has been since I was much younger.  Goth clothes are by their nature androgynous, and with the proliferation of "alternative" clothing even at places like Wal-Mart it isn't hard to find something that fits the bill.  I've also found that Kohl's is a surprisingly good place for androgynous clothes, mens and womens both.  I'm quite fond of PVC, pleather, and leather and it isn't hard to pull off feminine styles in those materials.

They're expensive, but http://shrinestore.com/store/catalog/ has lots of awesome genderbending clothes.  http://www.lip-service.com used to be a go-to catalog for me, but they've been trending away from androgynous clothes to focus almost exclusively on women's stuff.  I know with Jersey Shore they've come to be a symbol of masculinity, but Affliction-style shirts worn with a feminine bottom or accessories can be really genderbending.  I use them to great effect.  Go for ones with lots of studs or stitching or rhinestones and foil.

Hope this helps.
Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane.

-Philip K Dick
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