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Name change for Canadian living in Europe

Started by Mary81, September 16, 2013, 11:50:27 AM

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Mary81

Hi everyone,

I have a strange legal question and would be curious if anyone know the answer.
I am a Canadian citizen living in Europe. I am receiving treatment here. Last week on Friday, my doctor asked me to looking into the legal issues surrounding my name change. I have checked a lot online so far, but haven't been able to find out any information.

Has anyone here had a similar experience? Is it even possible to do it? How do I manage getting my passport re-issued with the new name while living abroad?

Any insights are welcome. Thank you for your help.

Mary
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Devlyn

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Mary81

Hi Devlyn Marie,
Thank you for the link. I actually did check that link. I also call the department of vital statistics, but all I got was an automated voice. Hopefully, I will be able to do all of this from Europe without too much hassel. Though I expect it will be a horrible experience.
Mary
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Mary81

Hello everyone,

Just an update on this situation. After many, many long-distance phone calls to different government offices, I found out how to change my name. I thought I would describe the process, just in case there is anyone else who finds themselves in a similar situation.

The abridged answer to this situation is that you need to change your name in the country where you are a resident, not in the country where you hold citizenship.

In my case, this means that I need to change my name with the Czech authorities – my local registry office. To do this before officially changing my gender marker, I will need to pick a name which can be either masculine or feminine (Maria, for example). I will also need to submit a copy of the official diagnosis of GID, a translated copy of my long-form birth certificate, and my marriage certificate.

Once I have received the documents confirming my legal name change, I can have new Czech IDs made. I will also use the confirmation of legal name change to get a new Canadian birth certificate issued from the province where I was born. I will then use my new birth certificate, the confirmation of legal name change and Czech IDs issued in my new name to apply for a new passport. I can get that from my local consulate.

Hope this will be helpful for some one.

Mary
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Devlyn

Glad you figured it out, and it's really nice of you to post this information for the next person! Hugs, Devlyn
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akristia

Hi Mary,
Glad that you shared this information. I probably will move to Europe and start seeing doctor there but I have no idea how to start. Do you mind if I ask you questions about this by mail or pm maybe?

Regards
Kristia

P.S im new here, dunno where to start
Be who you wanna be, do what you wanna do as long as you don't violate others' right
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Mary81

Hi Kristia,
Sorry for the delay. I dropped my phone on Sunday evening and now I only have very limited access to the internet  :( Feel free to ask me anything. In sure one of the moderators will give you the run down on the forum rules etc, so I wont say too much about that. You can PM me once you reach 15 posts.
Welcome to Susan's by the way.
Take care,
Mary
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Sammy

Oh, good to know that Czechs have some advancements in this area - here where I live the only way to change anything (name, gender) is to undergo the SRS, for which I also have to pay out of my pocket. Transgender Europe http://www.tgeu.org/ is very active European trans-NGO and they part/allies of the larger ILGA network. Their website is very useful and I think You can also contact them and get the information, if they have it, of course! Good luck on Your journey :)
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akristia

To Mary:

Anyway I thought I would have notification on my e-mail once I got a reply...I'm wrong. Sorry for being late to thank you for the information. Honestly I am looking forward to see a doctor once I move to Austria (around Vienna). I have already googled and found one obgyn whose specialization is in hormone therapy for transgender. Right now I am stuck in this full-of-discrimination country. I really can't wait to move there and start everything.
So for now, I am interested to know your story. I believe that will help me in the future (about legal issues, srs etc)
Again, thanks for your time.
Have a great day!

To Emily:
Very nice of you! I will check it out soon. Thanks for the information.
Be who you wanna be, do what you wanna do as long as you don't violate others' right
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Mary81

Sorry this is really long.

Hello Kristia,

Austria is a nice country from what I know of it. The mountains are fantastic and Vienna is a nice city with great shopping :) Aside from that, I don't really know any particulars about the system there. While the EU is attempting to unify the system, the EU moves very slowly, and I fear that we will all be old women before we see and real progress. That link that Emily posted will likely be more helpful than anything I can say.

That said, I think the best place to start is likely going to be research. I assume you don't have your official diagnosis yet and a script for HRT (though I could be wrong). So, the first thing you should look into is trying to find out who your gatekeeper is. You did mention the obgyn, but are they able to diagnosis you or just give you the prescription and monitor your progress? For me, my gatekeeper was a Sexologist. He interviewed me and did a bunch of strange medical tests. In the end he gave me a referral to a clinical psychologist. The clinical psychologist gave me my diagnosis then passed me back to a different sexologist who will direct my transition. I think it is different for everyone here, but for me it took about 3 months from my first appointment to getting my prescription.

Another thing to consider is financing. For example, will you be covered under the national insurance scheme or your country's (not sure if you are coming from Canada). Is there an option to go through a private clinic or will you be required to use the public system. Also, you should look to find out what is covered and what is not. I am very lucky that I have lived in the Czech Republic for many years and have permanent residency here. I am fully covered under the Czech medical insurance plan and almost everything is paid for here. There is a co-pay for estrogen, but it is not a lot (I think 2 and a half months cost me less than 10 Canadian dollars). T-blockers are covered fully by the public insurance. So are my doctor's visits (well, I pay 2 dollars), SRS, voice surgery, if I want it, and the tracheal shave, if I am willing to wait a long time to get it.

One more thing to think about before you arrive here is where you fit legally into the system. Your legal rights and obligations as well as all the strange hoops you will need to jump through to get your paper work changed will depend a lot on you residency status – tourist, short-term resident, long-term resident, permanent resident, citizen. This is really very complicated and I cannot really advise you on it, but I can tell you that the best place to start is the embassy, then maybe a lawyer. I am a permanent resident here so I mostly need to follow Czech procedures for everything. However, my sexologist told me I am also the first Canadian to get treatment here and one of the first westerners, so no one really knows what to do with me. On a local level, I find a lot depends on how low-level civil servants feel that day. For example, the name change alone is really complicated and no one actually knows if I can change my name to an English one or if I need to have a Czech name at this time, if I will be allowed to have a middle name, etc. Additionally, I have not been able to get an answer about the gender marker change. In the Czech Republic the gender is only changed after SRS. However, I was born in Ontario and they will change the gender marker whenever I want provided I can give them a statement from a therapist who is legally allowed to practice in Canada. Seems like it would be simple, but no one knows if the Czech insurance will pay for my SRS if I am legally considered to be a woman already.

Well, I hope this was helpful. As I said, please feel free to ask me anything. I am happy to help you if I can.

Talk to you later.


Hi Emily,
Thanks for posting that link – it was very interesting. Sorry to hear things are so regressive where you are. I really cannot complain too much about the Czech system – though I think that most of the time it really depends on who you talk to and when. The law here regarding the treatment of trans* people was written in the 60s and it has never been updated. So, it has largely been left to individual doctors to decide what you need to do and when. For example, my first doctor refused to give my hormones until I divorced my wife. I changed doctors after that, and have had no problems with that, though the second doctor is pressuring my to go full time immediately. I have been postponing it (I at least want to make sure my facial hair is under control first) but I can tell he is starting to get irritated with me.

have a nice day,
Mary
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akristia

Hi Mary,

Sorry I have been busy with work so I didn't have time to open susans.

Anyway thanks a lot for your complete information. Ah so you are already a citizen there. That answers my questions already. You must have been through a lot of things to get to where you are now, I believe so.

I guess now I just need to focus first on how to get to Austria before thinking about HRT. I am from Indonesia. It is a bit difficult for me to get the visa to stay there eventho my boyfriend is austrian.

Happy holiday to everyone!
Be who you wanna be, do what you wanna do as long as you don't violate others' right
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