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Started by maximusloverus, December 28, 2013, 07:19:54 AM

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maximusloverus

I didn't mean for it to be a sexist thing. I also don't think we should be unfair to anyone else in need. I'm just disappointed when I hear women talk about how rude men have gotten over the years. I mean yes some women do prefer to do everything for themselves. I was with a strong upfront woman who was the "I can do for myself" type attitude, but when I opened her car door for her, held the door for her, carried her things if they were heavy she was appreciative. A simple introduction is "May I?" If its something like opening her car door say "Please allow me" and if she doesn't want you to all she has to say is "No, it's fine I got it"

In my opinion it's better to offer and have her kindly refuse help then to not offer and make her feel like she's not worth the effort. Most women are not used to this behavior because it's not offered anymore. Women today do not feel attractive or worthwhile because there is no one showing them they are. I think a little effort on our part can help some of that. Even if it's a simple gesture such as holding a door open.
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yaka

Quote from: AlexanderC on December 28, 2013, 11:23:15 AM
I don't do anything different for women just because they're women.  I'll hold a door for anyone, I'll offer a hand if someone's struggling carrying something, I'd get up on public transport if someone looked like they needed the seat more than me, pregnant, old and infirm, disabled etc.  I hope that I act decent to everyone regardless of their gender.

IA, Chivalry (treating women a different way to males) is pretty chauvinistic and archaic. That said, it can sometimes be nice to indulge in it to reinforce a male identity (and your recipient appreciates it too).
When I have a male partner I sometimes act chivalrous to them (even when I was presenting female), which makes them self-conscious and a bit insecure, but after a while they begin to enjoy it. I think lots of people enjoy the attention aspect of it and naturally women...because that's their nature.
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geek

Quote from: yaka on December 29, 2013, 03:45:21 AM
IA, Chivalry (treating women a different way to males) is pretty chauvinistic and archaic. That said, it can sometimes be nice to indulge in it to reinforce a male identity (and your recipient appreciates it too).
When I have a male partner I sometimes act chivalrous to them (even when I was presenting female), which makes them self-conscious and a bit insecure, but after a while they begin to enjoy it. I think lots of people enjoy the attention aspect of it and naturally women...because that's their nature.
sure as ->-bleeped-<- matters none to me if my partner is male or female, being a gentleman is a way of life, regardless of how some of you seem to want to scream sexist. i grease my hair, i get the car door for my partner. i must be a sexist pig!




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Ayden

I try and do things for my friends and family. I never go out of my way to help women more so than men, but I do tend to do things for people who smaller and/or older. I'm also not straight, so I the things my partner finds gentlemanly in our relationship is different. I do a lot of basic chores and things like that but only because I usually have more time and am home earlier. I tend to let the husband go first in doors or trains, i usually serve him first with food and drinks. He does a lot of the heavy lifting, but that's because he enjoys manual work and has more upper body strength.

If I hold the door for someone, I typically don't even notice if they are male or female. Being from Alaska, the ideas of being a gentleman is very different. I can't even imagine trying to cater to women up there in a way that most people consider "gentlemanly"; Alaskans are pretty damn independent, and that goes doubly for the gals.

In Japan, people tend to think I'm a perfect gentleman because I hold doors or let them go first. People think that folks here are super polite but their idea of polite is much different. I held the door for a girl and her boyfriend once and she told her boyfriend its because I was flirting.

I just treat people politely and the way I would want to be treated. Doesn't matter if they are male or female. Being a decent human was hammered into my head when I was a kid.
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Darrin Scott


Quote from: Nikotinic on December 28, 2013, 11:37:37 PM
Personally I don't do these things because I hate when people do them to me.

Even before I had acknowledged I was trans* this pissed me off. When someone feels like they need to carry a heavy thing or pull out my chair or whatever, it feels like they're assuming I'm not capable of doing it myself. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I'm really a dude - I'm assuming most cis men would be put out by these gestures too. But I'm sure that there are women who get just as offended.

In the end I just try to treat people like people and be equally polite to anyone.


This. I asked my girlfriend what she thought about this idea of being a "gent" and she thought it was absurd. She can do all of these things herself and is more concerned with how I treat her in the other 90% of our relationship. Not whether I would pull out a stupid chair for her. That means nothing in the big scheme of things in a relationship, IMHO.

As far as doing these things, I do them for anyone. Not just women.





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Brandon

Quote from: maximusloverus on December 29, 2013, 01:36:01 AM
I didn't mean for it to be a sexist thing. I also don't think we should be unfair to anyone else in need. I'm just disappointed when I hear women talk about how rude men have gotten over the years. I mean yes some women do prefer to do everything for themselves. I was with a strong upfront woman who was the "I can do for myself" type attitude, but when I opened her car door for her, held the door for her, carried her things if they were heavy she was appreciative. A simple introduction is "May I?" If its something like opening her car door say "Please allow me" and if she doesn't want you to all she has to say is "No, it's fine I got it"

In my opinion it's better to offer and have her kindly refuse help then to not offer and make her feel like she's not worth the effort. Most women are not used to this behavior because it's not offered anymore. Women today do not feel attractive or worthwhile because there is no one showing them they are. I think a little effort on our part can help some of that. Even if it's a simple gesture such as holding a door open.



This>>>>> 100% True, In this day and time it's not offered and some girls are taught to be independent which is fine, When I do thoes things for woman I do it because its what a man is suppose to do not because she can't do anything, Most guys out here don't care anymore so women try to do everything for themselves so they forget that their are still some good men
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