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How do I determine if I'm truly a transgender?

Started by Ezeker, December 30, 2013, 08:59:21 AM

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Ezeker

I've always been a tomboy, but it wasn't until a few years ago where I just felt completely uncomfortable with being the female gender.
Is there any surefire way of knowing this is more than a lenghthy phase of some sort?
Also, what is the average price range for a full female to male transition for a mid-teen?
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AdamMLP

There isn't a "test" as such to tell you if you're trans, it's just a process of experimenting with your presentation and discovering who you are, and what makes you comfortable.  For some people it takes a long while, and for others not so much.  Maybe talking to a therapist with a knowledge of gender identity would be something to look into if you find that sort of stuff helpful.

How much you could spend really varies depending on where you are, what insurance you have in America, and what exactly you want/need.  I'm sure some other people will be able to give you a better breakdown as I'm in the UK and it's NHS funded here, but, therapist charges, what type of T varies the costs (generally gel and cream are more than injectable T), as does your top surgeon and location, and what type of lower surgery if you want/can afford any.  Then there's stuff like binders, packers and clothes.  If you worked out a figure it'd probably send you running a mile, but if this is something that you need then you'll find a way to make it happen.

That makes it sound like a shopping list though, and it really isn't.  Nothing happens straight away, maybe slightly more so in America than it does here, and it's a process that takes years to complete for a lot of people.  Not that there's a point where you can really say that someone's fully transitioned, it all depends on an individuals choices, and sometimes people don't take it further medically for years due to cost or other reasons.  It's a very individual journey, and just that, a journey, not something that happens over night.
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FalseHybridPrincess

You ll never know 100% ...if you believe it then you are...

hormones dont cost much but if you want top and bottom surgery that ll cost a lot...
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Simon

I can't tell anyone else how they can know but I can share how I knew. I knew I had to transition and I couldn't imagine my living unless I did. I did it to survive.

As far as costs as Alex has said that varies greatly. If you're in the States everyone incurs different costs. Most insurance companies will not cover SRS for a transsexual. Most are lucky if they have insurance to just cover hormones. A quick estimate of what I've paid so far would be: $480 Gender Therapist, $70 name change, $900 Endocrinologist, $195 Testosterone, $30 needles, $7500 Hysto (how much it usually runs. I was fortunate and got mine covered), and I'm currently saving around $8000 to have my top surgery which should happen around this time next year. After that I'm going to start saving for bottom surgery which can run anywhere between $20 and $75 grand depending on what you want, if any insurance will help, and where you go.

It's not cheap, but can you really put a price on feeling comfortable in your own skin?
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aleon515

As people have said there's no test. You should probably find a gender therapist (if one actually tells you, rather than letting you answer it yourself,  I'd run the other way, but some people are comfortable with this sort of situation). If you google this question you might find some answer to it. It's not going to hit you all at once though. I pay for my T as I buy it, and I paid for top surgery and don't have to pay for it again (unless you are someone who has a correction or revision). It has been worth what it has cost me.

--Jay
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overdrive

Theres actually another similar post in the transgender forum today that might be of interest to you.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,156580.0.html
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Alexthecat

I hear people say imagine yourself as an old person. Do you see an old man or an old women? Though that never works for me, can't really see far past my next step in transition (top surgery) let alone 40 years from now.

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BeefxCake

I know for me the whole being trans thing was terrifying and i did my best to avoid thinking that way up until recently.

I realized i would be a woman the rest of my life unless i took action myself. I cant picture any aspect of my future as a female. It wasnt in me to think i could grow up and grow old, have kids, get a husband. That was a dilusion in my head. And after speaking with my therapist a few times she really asked the tough question i swallow back and ignore, forcing me to realize i was in this in between.

Now coming out was extremely hard at first but i really made sure to only come out to people i know would support my transition. Once i was comfortable saying i was trans the word became so much less terrifying. And i can just freely say hey I'm grey, im a guy. And it rolls off the tongue. That was probably because i have a good therapist, im such a scardy cat. She helped me confront my issues.

Also i also realized you dont have to be super macho macho man to be trans. I will gladly admit there are ladies out there that can put the grizzliest man to shame. And thats ok. If you grew up doing boy things it doesnt mean you are trans, you might just like guy stuff.

But if you grew up and now your in a womans body and you loathe that identity ok you might want to look into help. That was me, i hate my girl body it feels so much more black and white now that ive accepted it. But i remember being confused and questioning, and i still question even now. Being scared is normal. Questioning over and over is totally normal, but you are the one to ultimately drcide for yourself who you are and how you identify. No one can tell you that.

I used to think i was lying to myself early on, like no you arent trans, you love girly cute things, you draw cute stuff, you knit you sew. Eventually i just came to terms with it and went hell why not have both. I can be a guy and still like my cute sh*t. Your interests dont define your identity, a girl can like sports and cars and a guy can like baking and knitting stuffed animals. Its all out there in the world. So dont think you are trans just because of your interests really.

Im rambling, sorry, just do some soul searching, envision your future years ahead picture yourself as a guy, if it fits and you like it then who's stopping you? Find a good therapist to help ask the questions that YOU have to answer.
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stephaniec

I finally came to terms with myself a short time ago. the world had no more meaning for me. If I died it meant nothing to me at all. I knew I was living a lie. My body was a mistake And I was just so tired of being a false male. Made the decision sitting in the psyche ward told The Psychiatrist on duty that I was a woman and they started me on the right path.
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konnorcrewe

I think there's a certain point you get to where you feel like you cannot stand not being yourself any more after trying to fit in as the gender you were assigned at birth.  If you get to the point where you feel like the cost of living your life the way other people want you to live it (i.e. conforming to gender norms) is too much and the ability to live your life as authentic and true to yourself outweighs the risk you take of possibly losing friends, job and family when you transition (that varies from person to person) then perhaps you've reached the point where you need to transition.  HOWEVER, it is a very PERSONAL decision and one that needs to not be made on the spur of the moment and without regard to personal safety and thoughts about the personal and financial costs of transitioning.  Also there is no one "right" way to transition.  People transition hormonally, surgically, socially, non hormonally and non surgically depending on the person.  Some people may also just decide they are part time and may not transition at all.  That's ok too.

For me, the decision to transition took a long time.  I come from an older generation and I didn't even have the vocabulary for what I was feeling til my late 20s.  I wasn't able to overcome social and religious cultrual programming until my mid 40s.  By the time I overcame all the conflicts I had due to the way I was brought up, I felt extremely sad and regretful that I'd wasted so much time.  I'm not sure I would have had the nerve much earlier though.

Don't cave to pressures from others.  Your decision is your decision alone.  Only you can know what is right for you.  Don't let anybody tell you that there's just one particular way to do it or that you are not trans enough or that you are doing it wrong.  The trans* community is SOOO diverse that it is sometimes hard to find people that are exactly like you.  However you will run across a lot of common themes and people who are similar.  This is just my opinion. 
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insideontheoutside

Like someone else said, there isn't a test (and if you ever come across one on the internet, be wary of any "result" you may get!). And I'm sure you can see from the answers others have given that it's highly individualized. Each person came to their own conclusion. Some knew they couldn't live being seen as female or couldn't see themselves growing old as female or in a typical female role (husband, kids), for instance.

My own unique viewpoint is that from my earliest memory I've identified as male (for example, there was an incident when I was about 2 where my parents found me putting things down my pants and when asked why I said, "because I'm missing some parts" - so yeah, not exactly normal "female" behavior!). There was never a time in my life where I "felt female" or wished to peruse those traditional female roles. The most I've done is dealt with being perceived as female by others and dealt with a few physical things unique to those born into female bodies. But somewhere along the way, I rejected the notion of transition and I haven't looked back. My viewpoint goes against the grain a bit, but like I said it's personalized to the way I've come to think of myself. These days, women don't have to play that traditional role, so that's one thing. Maybe you'll get some slack from a parent or grandparent, but is it any worse than the slack that some gay people have to deal with when it comes to family? Career choices are pretty open. Female bodied people wearing male clothing, having masculine mannerisms or liking traditionally masculine things is generally accepted (sure, there's always exceptions but I think in general it's more accepted). I also would never be satisfied without a fully functional OEM penis. I have a crazy fear of surgery and am generally all about natural health. I already have a cool career, married someone who accepts me, and at this point in my life doing a gender transition would really not be for my benefit at all and would mostly likely make a wreck of my life. But that's my situation. Obviously I'm not one of the people where, "transition or die" was a factor. I can accept that I've always been male but there are people who will always treat me female out there (or at the very least, see me as female - even though my appearance and presentation is androgynous to male). So right now, I'm just trying to be myself. Slowly I've "come out" to more people this year than I ever have in my life, and things seem to be going ok. I'm not a stickler for pronouns (although I can be irritated by them in certain instances), and I'm not even interested in changing my name. Because of all this, I'm sure there's people who would say I'm not trans. But they're not privy to how my brain actually is set up, so other people's opinions of me are becoming less and less of a concern as I just continue to do my own thing.

I mention my experiences because it's an untypical trans perspective and because I believe that gender really is a spectrum rather than a hard definition. The "one size fits all" approach didn't work for me, and I know I can't be the only one. I think life is about exploration as much as it is about finding balance, comfort, and confidence. And that exploration can often lead to the other 3.
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Ayden

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There is no test or sure fire way of knowing. I didnt know for sure that transition was right for me until my mid twenties. Some folks say they always knew, but that wasn't my experience. The only advice I can give is talk to someone who who you can open up to and trust. My therapist was awesome, but my first confidant was my spouse. Do a lot of soul searching. And remember, being a teenager and changing your presentation and trying out identities is a part of learning who you are. A friend if mine, who isn't trans at all had a hard time growing up female just from the pressures she experienced when she was a teenager. It wasn't until she was about 23 before she felt comfortable being female, but she never wanted to transition.

As far as cost, finically it is a burden. Hormones for me are 80-120 for about six months. Tip surgery will run me about $10,000 (usd). Bottom surgery is extremely costly so I haven't even looked into it because it would be years if I wanted to save for it. Aside from money, there are a lot of other costs as well. Socially it can be difficult; I've lost a lot of family including my father and a few brothers, and everyone on my fathers side. Mentally it's costly in the stress department as far as going through telling people and jumping through hoops. I could write pages on the non-monetary costs of transition.

Edit to add: I'm not saying the non-money costs did not make transition worth it for me and many other of my brothers, sisters and siblings, but I do feel that it's worth mentioning since cost means different things to different folks.
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muffinpants

I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll add my 2 cents anyways.
**note: this probably doesn't apply to a lot of people here**

For a while I thought I might be transgender, the feelings came around the time I started puberty. I was completely uncomfortable with my female body and being seen doing 'female' things. I felt ashamed and disgusted by the way people viewed me and it made me want to do something about it. Gender was such a focus in my life that I couldn't think of anything else, I was avoiding doing things that I liked, watching shows, shopping... pretty much anything that could be associated with girls, I didn't want to be. It was much more social for me rather than a body dysphoria, though I did experience that a bit too.

Meanwhile, my significant other came out as trans herself, and tbh idk how but that made it a lot easier to handle. I never ever liked being in a male/female relationship, even though we never treated it that way, it disgusted me that people would see it like that. So that is one thing that alleviated my feelings of unrest.

Another thing that I think made me really uncomfortable was just how taboo sex is in our society. My parents always stressed how awful sex is to the point that I was ashamed of my body and even more so if others looked at me in a sexual way. While I'm still kind of screwed up in that area, I feel like I've worked through a lot of the kinks. I now very much enjoy my body, I think it's incredibly sexy and wonderful in every way. I love my curves and squishyness. It also helps that my gf does not view me as an object (something I could NEVER tolerate), but rather as a person with real thoughts and feelings and such. And with that I was able to pursue my girly interests. I feel like all I really needed was that acceptance... this feeling of not being judged constantly relieves such a burden! I feel so free in my life now, I'm fully able to accept the fact that I really do prefer this body and that the things I like do not need to be defined by society, but even if they are, I'm still free to enjoy them and not be judged for it.

tl;dr- I have sexual hangups, I need (and have <3) someone in my life that doesn't push their socially induced gender roles on me. Also I'm WAY too concerned with what others think. But in the end, I've been able to thrive and live happily just as I am.
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aleon515

Quote from: Alexthecat on December 30, 2013, 01:29:47 PM
I hear people say imagine yourself as an old person. Do you see an old man or an old women? Though that never works for me, can't really see far past my next step in transition (top surgery) let alone 40 years from now.

I don't care for this idea, maybe because I am closer to BEING an old person. LOL. But the reason I don't is I think it very much defeats the idea of living for the moment. If you really don't see your self as a woman, well you probably aren't one. But that means you don't actually know if you are a man. There are in betweens which is what being trans can be too.

--Jay
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AdamMLP

Quote from: aleon515 on January 01, 2014, 11:55:38 AM
I don't care for this idea, maybe because I am closer to BEING an old person. LOL. But the reason I don't is I think it very much defeats the idea of living for the moment. If you really don't see your self as a woman, well you probably aren't one. But that means you don't actually know if you are a man. There are in betweens which is what being trans can be too.

--Jay

I can see where the other Alex was coming from.  I couldn't see myself as an old woman, or if I saw myself in the future I saw myself somehow in a suit and tie, denying the fact that it's not the done thing for females and the fact that I would always hate a profession which required me wearing a suit on a regular basis.  I was just always imagining that things would somehow fall into place without realising it.  Then when I realised that I was actually male I could see myself in the future, as a father, as an old man, actually alive past the next year.

It was the most amazing thing, being able to picture myself surviving into the future.  It helps me to live for the moment, because I find it very hard to do anything at all if I don't have an eventual goal to work towards.  I'll do the best I can for myself at that moment, but I need to have a main goal of which that is a little part of.
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Sir Wafflinton

There are so many great responses to this, I just need to add something on.

If you are in your mid teens go to the doctor as soon as possible. I mean like 'book an appointment for tomorrow' soon. If you are in the states this medication will probably be too expensive but explore anyway.

If you start "puberty blockers" before you have finished puberty you will end up taller and will have a less feminine bone structure (it won't reverse what has already happened but any further growth will be masculine. You will also experience less breast growth.

If you explore your identity and find out you are trans then that is great and you will have a more successful transition, if you are not you just stop taking the meds and everything will continue as if you hadn't taken them at all (they are also VERY safe so don't worry about side effects).

I was given access to blockers about 5 years too late and I will live with the consequences for the rest of my life.


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aleon515

Quote from: lxndr on January 01, 2014, 12:26:31 PM
I can see where the other Alex was coming from.  I couldn't see myself as an old woman, or if I saw myself in the future I saw myself somehow in a suit and tie, denying the fact that it's not the done thing for females and the fact that I would always hate a profession which required me wearing a suit on a regular basis.  I was just always imagining that things would somehow fall into place without realising it.  Then when I realised that I was actually male I could see myself in the future, as a father, as an old man, actually alive past the next year.



Sure if the "test" works for you. I mean for me i am not really interested in it.

--Jay
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AdamMLP

Quote from: aleon515 on January 02, 2014, 12:24:33 PM

Sure if the "test" works for you. I mean for me i am not really interested in it.

--Jay

It wasn't really a test per se, and I wouldn't suggest anyone to base how they were going to live their lives upon using their imagination for the future.  When I was a kid I imagined that I was going to marry my dog (a very, very young kid with no knowledge of anything wrong in that scenario...), doesn't mean that's what I would grow up to do.  It was just an interesting thing that rang true for me as well.

I suppose it all goes to show that although we share a fact about ourselves we are all individuals and it's different for us all, and you have to find your own way to both understand and deal with the knowledge.
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