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Started by supersilk98, December 14, 2013, 06:54:32 PM

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Emo

@katty
Keep up the hope! Im sure youll be clear and happily hairless in due time.

@janae
Good point.
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Christine167

There's three types of electrolysis.  Thermolysis, galvanic, and the blend. My electrolysist uses thermolysis  in her clinic and it really wasn't bad for me. Her staff all have years and years of experience and I didn't have a negative experience. That said I did just one hour. I can probably handle two hours at a time just fine but any more than that I would need some advil and better pillow. Holding my head in place for that long was just aggravating and painful. The "zaps" and needle sticks themselves really didn't hurt unless the hair was near a nerve.

Like some others have said though once you get on a roll and that hair is just being removed you kind of want to just stay there until the job is done. Each zap was a tiny victory for me and less than 20% of my hair has come back. I just need to save up some more so that I can get more work done on it  :)
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Emo

@christine
This is starting to sound more appealing despite the pain i keep hearing about.
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Christine167

Quote from: Emo on January 01, 2014, 12:26:30 AM
@christine
This is starting to sound more appealing despite the pain i keep hearing about.
Tiny victories, tiny ones. I didn't even use the lidocaine cream that I bought. Now if only the service wasn't that expensive I'd go more often.  Her quote came out to $6000 for my whole face to be relatively hair free. That price was probably the most painful thing. No bee stings and it was far more comfortable than going to the dentist. Well $100 worth down and $5900 to go ;)
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Emo

Thats brutal. 6000...
Why is being trans so expensive?
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Christine167

Quote from: Emo on January 01, 2014, 12:35:31 AM
Thats brutal. 6000...
Why is being trans so expensive?
Well really I expect to not take the full $6000. She did such a good job on my cheeks in just an hour that I'm pretty confident that I won't have many repeat sessions.

As for trans being expensive yes it is but on the brightside it's totally worth it if nothing more than the estrodial puts a serious hamper on my social anxiety.
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Emo

So it really doesnt come back or will it after a while?
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Christine167

Quote from: Emo on January 01, 2014, 12:50:42 AM
So it really doesnt come back or will it after a while?

Depending on how hearty your hair is and the skill of the technologist you will see a 50-80% permanent reduction in the number of hairs in the area treated. The rest of the hairs often come back thinner and grow slower. So even what they don't kill is easier to shave and won't grow back as fast.

I forget what the numbers are for laser but it's a similar deal where what comes back is often damaged thinner hair that grows more slowly and shaves easier.

If you have blonde or red hair then electrolysis is likely the only way to go. If you have dark hair then pick your poison. :)
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KittyKat

I got really lucky with pricing for laser. Searched groupon and there was a spa in new york that was offering 4 large areas for $350 each. I ended up paying just over $1500 and am getting 6 treatments for face, chest, stomach and back/shoulders. Was surprised at how quickly the session went actually and only had pain in a few areas, mainly face and nipples.
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Cindi Lane

Properly done electrolysis completely kills the stem cells at the root of the hair, no hair can form again from that root.

The human body is very resilient and new hair follicles can be formed. Without androgens (T), new hairs will remain as small and thin vellus hairs just like genetic females have.


More detail if you want it

The complexity of hair follicles and their development cycle can make achieving a one zap = one kill difficult.

   Multiple roots can effectively share the same pore, roots that have had insufficient nutrients can be re-energized as a side-effect of hair removal treatment on nearby hairs, damaged roots can be pointing away from the skin surface making treatment less effective on that root.

Hair growth cycles can make it seem like the process is not working.
    The most effective treatment happens when the hair is growing (anagen phase).
    When the growing stage ends, the hair bulb detaches from the root, the root becomes dormant while the hair is slowly pushed out until it sheds (this phase can last months).
   
For effective treatment, the probe needs to be very near the root stem cells when the electric current (or radio frequency burst) is triggered. An electrologist inserts the probe down to the hair bulb by feel, when the hair is not actively growing, the hair bulb is moving away from the  root stem cells, thus reducing the effectiveness of the treatment.

The first full clearing of your facial hair can appear like it didn't work well, as only the actively growing hairs were killed. The good news is essentially all of the hairs that appear after than should be in the growth phase and the zap to kill ratio will go way up. Successfully getting rid of a mail beard will take regular sessions every month for many months.

Lasers: Lasers are always less effective than electrolysis. When dealing with terminal hairs, especially male beard hair, some folks achieve a "good-enough" result that allows them to transition quicker and/or get an initial clearing quicker. 

-Cindi
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Allyda

Race and genetics have alot to do with your success and the amount of treatments you'll need as well. For example, my being Native American I didn't have a full beard to start with. So the amount of treatments I needed to get rid of the black hairs on mt face was minimal (I still have the grays to deal with due to my age), whereas, a Trans Woman of Medeterranian or Middle Eastern decent will need many more treatments.

Also girls, I recommend getting this part of transition over with while you are young enough to not have gray facial hairs to deal with. These are the hardest wretched things to deal with and with lasers or pulse light devices will require charcoal dye to be effective. The dye works but it is very messy.
Allyda
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