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Started by Tessa James, January 02, 2014, 05:13:05 PM

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Jennygirl

Quote from: Jill F on January 03, 2014, 03:16:58 AM
My goth/punk trans friends will all laugh at this.   What the hell do "real transsexuals" do anyway?   I just do pretty much everything I used to do, but I'm much happier doing it.   And I've been to plenty of shows.

Same! After the initial brush-off-all-masculine-features-and-interests phase I swooped back to everything that I loved pre-transition, and I am much the same person. I am still just as nerdy and geeky as I always was, and I retained all of my interests regardless of how masculine they might seem to others.

In the end, life is a pursuit of happiness and that goes hand in hand with the path of least resistance. People operate in different ways, but we all just want something to feel good about. It is unfortunate when you hear of someone getting their kicks from shoving others down, but we have to accept everyone regardless of their modalities. "Let bygones be bygones" definitely applies here even to people. Sometimes you just have to learn from the situation and move on as best you can... path of least resistance and the preservation of one's happiness.
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LordKAT

Personal opinion, every one is more trans than me, I don't accept the label. If someone really needs to feel that way, tis fine, long as they keep that opinion to themselves.
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Ms Grace

Quote from: big kim on January 03, 2014, 02:11:25 AM
I've been told going to the punk rock festival wasn't the sort of thing a "real transexual" should do.I think you can guess my reply!

That is just bizarre! I'm not sure I want to know what they thought you should be doing instead... and I'm sure you didn't bother to ask anyway!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: big kim on January 03, 2014, 02:11:25 AM
I've been told going to the punk rock festival wasn't the sort of thing a "real transexual" should do.I think you can guess my reply!

I've had people say similar things when I said that I liked Death Metal. "That isn't very feminine." ::) Give me a break. I guess I should tell the people in Mythic, Nuclear Death, 13 and Derketa that what they are doing isn't very feminine and they should cease what they are doing at once! :D :D
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BunnyBee

Quote from: Jennygirl on January 03, 2014, 03:37:23 AM
Same! After the initial brush-off-all-masculine-features-and-interests phase I swooped back to everything that I loved pre-transition, and I am much the same person. I am still just as nerdy and geeky as I always was, and I retained all of my interests regardless of how masculine they might seem to others.

You go through that phase where you have to figure out what about your old life was and was not pretense.  I think that is why there was that compulsion to reject everything remotely masculine?  I have noticed the same thing though, that old interests have come back now.  Not everything, but a lot of things.  Plus, I have a lot of new "feminine" interests that I was afraid to have before, cause of how fearful I used to be of giving myself away.  So I feel so much more like a real, actual person.

I hated that stage of figuring out which parts of myself were part of the facade though, it was very uncomfortable knowing that I didn't know what was real.
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FalseHybridPrincess

Pffff damn elitists , we are family for the love of god!

I guess it cant be helped ,,, people seek conflict in everything...

For me we are all super awesome
http://falsehybridprincess.tumblr.com/
Follow me and I ll do your dishes.

Also lets be friends on fb :D
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: FalsePrincess on January 03, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
For me we are all super awesome

Well, I'm extra super-duper-mega-ultra awesome, so THERE! :P :D
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FalseHybridPrincess

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on January 03, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
Well, I'm extra super-duper-mega-ultra awesome, so THERE! :P :D

Im more super hyper ultra mega awesome than you! >:(

:laugh: )
kinda like this... ;)
http://falsehybridprincess.tumblr.com/
Follow me and I ll do your dishes.

Also lets be friends on fb :D
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Miss_Bungle1991

Meh...I'm suppose that I am just ultramega OK. :D :D
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ashrock

Nothing to add here but love, all of you above are awesome in my book!
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amZo

Quote from: Tessa James on January 02, 2014, 05:13:05 PM
This could be an incendiary topic but it is also too frequently something newly out, non binary and transitioning people face.  I have felt upset about a sister transwoman who needed to tell me what she thought of my presentation.  We had never met before and were in a tavern last week with several other transgender people including my supportive adult daughter and a MtF friend.  It felt intense but definitely not pretty and i guess that was her point.  I'm not a pretty girl, don't wear make up and am generally happy about being unapologetic and out there.  None of us are representative of all trans people or the gods special spokesperson.  I'm not looking for sympathy, I can handle this trifle.

When we are first coming out, exploring or trying to conquer our fears we look to others as mentors and allies in solidarity.  My experience is sadly not new to many of us.  This is the same judgmental attitudes I experienced for decades as an out and active Bi/queer person when gay and lesbian people dismissed me as a wannabe, indecisive, partner stealing threat.  With so many mind readers why do we still need therapists! ???  Just kidding.  Still all of my best friends are either LGBTQ or supportive and none of us speak for any single one of those groups either.

I am taking my own advice about not letting the masses define me and nobody needs to let one person wreck our day.  Fortunately I also have a strong circle of support and ok self esteem.  I try to envision the quack quack flak as water off the proverbial ducks back, just trickling into the pond.  A dear cisgender girlfriend wrote today; "People who cannot handle ambiguity are prone to ideological purity,  which means trouble."  We don't need trouble from our trans brothers and sisters.  Elitism is not helpful and unless someone has toilet tissue hanging from their behind, negative comments about style or presentation are unwelcome.  It is a challenge for me to accept someone who really thinks they need to intercede as a "public service."  Just the self anointed judges we don't need IMO.

I feel we would all do well to remember how individual and unique our lives are.  Commonalities are not commandments folks.  We actually do get some choice in our presentation and if we want to be truly free and liberated it is essential that we allow others those same freedoms.  My perceptions of others is not as valuable as their own self image and not called for unless asked.

Stepping down from my soapbox; This moderated venue of virtual reality is generally not a hurtful place and I am so very grateful that most really are here in a supportive and caring role.  Thank YOU!

Wow, this is awesome and needed to be said. You should put your soap box to work more often... thanks.  :)

A similar thing happened to me a long time ago and although I certainly never dwell on it, I do think of it at times. I was at lunch with a MtF friend who is out and her presentation is now female. Without any lead up she blurts out that I'm not very feminine. Who does that?? She's right of course, I haven't changed from the day I was born, that's the PROBLEM, trust me I've tried! She happens to act a lot more feminine than all the women I know, but it's what she feels is necessary for her at this time in her transition, I would never comment on it to her, how could I really?

Eh, anyway, this was good.
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Miss_Bungle1991

Is there any Irish Spring in that soapbox?
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stephaniec

I hope not to offend anyone truly not intended. For me the issue is more along the lines of universal love and acceptance. to see ourselves in each and every one of us . I won't get into my belief other than to say we all come from the same place. This is the same problem human kind has dealt with since the beginning. It's the same as the bully in grade school making my life miserable. To me it just comes down to love. We need to hug a lot more.
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Jill F

Quote from: Nikko on January 03, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
Wow, this is awesome and needed to be said. You should put your soap box to work more often... thanks.  :)

A similar thing happened to me a long time ago and although I certainly never dwell on it, I do think of it at times. I was at lunch with a MtF friend who is out and her presentation is now female. Without any lead up she blurts out that I'm not very feminine. Who does that?? She's right of course, I haven't changed from the day I was born, that's the PROBLEM, trust me I've tried! She happens to act a lot more feminine than all the women I know, but it's what she feels is necessary for her at this time in her transition, I would never comment on it to her, how could I really?

Eh, anyway, this was good.

Umm, my wife isn't nearly as femme as I am and she was born with two X chromosomes.  Unless she has to, she wears baggy t shirts, jeans, and no makeup.  She always drives and pays at the restaurant.  She also sits like a guy, watches sports, swills beer, belches loudly and swears a lot.  She basically mostly has a male demeanor about her.  She also very much identifies as female, and wouldn't change that for the world.   
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Tessa James

Oh thank you so very much you funny, scrappy and loving family!

I laughed till I cried at your joking around and then cried again thinking of the wounds we wear so well.

You really are that mega ultra good!
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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vlmitchell

Hmm.

I think that there's an interestingly fine line between 'helpful advice' and 'outright pressure to conform'.

I've been in discussions with any number of gender queer/CD/trans*/TS people who were unhappy with the reactions that they were getting from society. When I dug a little conversationally into what their goals were for transition or presentation, the presentation that they put forward didn't really serve what they'd like to have done so I have commented on that in those instances. It's never a fun conversation because intent and reality are very dichotomous things, from time to time.

On the other hand, advice of that sort is something that you have to have solicited. If the person is comfortable in who they are and what they're doing, then those comments are intrusive, arrogant, and absolutely out of line.

As for 'more trans than thou' attitudes? *blech* What the eff ever. There have been many instances of that that I've run across. I have no patience with it no matter who it's aimed at.

I do feel that, most of the time, these attitudes are more a way of the person doing a bit of ego-pumping via denigrating someone else. The persons who tend to do it, I've found, are very defensive, generally look and act uncomfortable with who and what they are. Regardless of what their issues are, however, I'll smack them down every time. No one needs to hear that kind of garbage when dealing with issues like what we have to.
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Jill F

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on January 03, 2014, 02:07:26 PM
Hmm.
I do feel that, most of the time, these attitudes are more a way of the person doing a bit of ego-pumping via denigrating someone else. The persons who tend to do it, I've found, are very defensive, generally look and act uncomfortable with who and what they are. Regardless of what their issues are, however, I'll smack them down every time. No one needs to hear that kind of garbage when dealing with issues like what we have to.

Nailed it.  I always wonder about the need to validate oneself by invalidating others.  That in itself says something about the true confidence level of the offender.
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Ms Grace

Yes, it kind of boils down to "I'm better than you, nyah-ne-nyah-ne-na-na!"... :P
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Ms Grace on January 03, 2014, 06:28:32 PM
Yes, it kind of boils down to "I'm better than you, nyah-ne-nyah-ne-na-na!"... :P

Right. Which of course is totally stupid. We all die and turn to dust one day so all of the crap about who is better doesn't matter in the end.
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V M

Basically, this type of behavior relates to insecurity, when a person is truly secure and self assured then there is nothing to prove to anyone in regards to anything including themselves

In other words, if a person is actually secure in themselves then there is no need to go on parade and knock others down in order to prove it

There becomes no need for a conceited 'My this or that or whatever is bigger and better than yours' type of thing

A truly secure individual will be happy that things are going well for them and consider how to help other folks without making a 'Broadway production' out of it

Just some of my thought on the matter
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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