if we build it, would you come?

[sprouts]

i might be in to this.  maybe to test the potential success of something like this, a group of kids could create a smaller camp to house no more than 10 people.  This collective could have a yearly month-long invite to those interested but not quite fully committed.  There would be an exclusive shelter for housing 10 or so guests during this time.  For me personally, security would be my primary concern. 

[ThePhoenix]

No. I enjoy being around cis-gendered people. I like having trans people in my life, but all-transfeminine spaces are very different than all female spaces (don't know if other people have seen this.) I would miss friendships with cis-women if I didn't have them.

I feel the same way.  It's not PC to say, but we could have a long discussion of the differences (although I'd rather not).

I also feel that isolating trans* people does more harm than good. 

[nonameyet]

nope. the solution to faulty human relations is rarely if ever to separate the involved groups. much less to give one a 'utopia' and leave the rest to fend for itself.

not to mention the fact that it wouldnt take long for the societal structures to collapse. or for an 'anti' group of some sort to wipe the whole thing out. overtly or otherwise.

im not going to cage myself to hide from the world, least of all if it means being an easier target.

[Jamie D]

Dammit! There was this really cool steampunk one I was going to bill you for! 

Pictures, CA!  Pictures. 

[Christine167]

I'm actually a little afraid of Utopias. They often aren't all they claim to be so no I wouldn't be packing my bags.

On the other hand a city where no one is looked down upon for their physical expression would be great and I'd pack my bags quickly. Surely they would have a need for an X-ray tech or hospital computer administrator.

[Miranda Catherine]

Are you kidding me? I transitioned because I had to to survive, but all I ever wanted once I realized God wasn't going to zap me into a woman was to simply pass and be accepted as a woman in American society. I do and I am. Like most of the other women on this thread, I like living in regular society, just as I wouldn't want to live in an all white society, an Amazon society, a Scottish-American society, or any kind of society where anyone is excluded, other than killers, rapists, child molesters and thieves. But I wouldn't even seriously consider living in a trans only society. If I couldn't be with the guy I love, who would I date, make love with or maybe even marry? I'm not attracted to other women, cis or trans, and besides, what would be the lure of thousands of other transgendered woman around nothing but other transgendered women. My prayers have been answered and I love most of my life. Besides, I couldn't bring my SO or my mom. And what about the other straight trans women who would want to date men only? They wouldn't want to come either, so it would simply be a tinier minority in a tiny minority. We're already a tiny minority now inside of the LGBT community! Also, what would be the point of guns and law enforcement if we're all the same type of women who'd separated themselves from society because we all got along? Truthfully, I can't think of one thing, not one, that sounds attractive to me. I'm sorry, Karriann, but like one of the other women said, it just sounds creepy to me.

[Emo]

@miranda
I believe she said you could bring your SO and family. Also youre forgetting transmen...
Sorry to rain on your post..

[Miranda Catherine]

@miranda
I believe she said you could bring your SO and family. Also youre forgetting transmen...
Sorry to rain on your post..

There are some physical traits in a man born male I highly doubt a transman could match. For one, I'm 5' 9" and I wear heels. I was looking at a height chart for American men and women, and the average American woman is 5' 5", but the transman born female would have to be 6' 2" for me to feel comfortable. We all have our physical needs and for me, that's a tall order. I was wrong about the SO, though. Thanks for pointing that out. I still wouldn't go. Not even a slight chance, sorry to rain on your retort. Hugs, Mira

[Emo]

Nah. Its no biggie. I was just sayin.
I enjoy being an "outcast" in society. Not because i like the music group, but because its familiar ground. Ive been one all my life. Itd be a shame to be the same.

[Janae]

No.

This is just my opinion, but my trans status doesn't sum up the entirety of who I am. I'm a woman who just so happens to be trans. I don't like the idea of self segregating myself from the rest of society to a all trans community. I can see the appeal, but the world is to big and to amazing to only live in a limited piece of it.

[vlmitchell]

*siiiiiighs*

NO! Not remotely. Never. Oh my god, no. This is a horrible idea. Argh.

Yeah, because I want to cast off all my cis friends for *what* reason? To spend... y'know, I can't even.

[lilacwoman]

definitely not.   no closed society is very healthy mentally for long.

[Constance]

Pictures, CA!  Pictures. 

This one will do.

[Nero]

Pictures, CA!  Pictures. 

This one will do.

Want!

[stephaniec]

This one will do.




Want!

very pretty

[Jamie D]

This one will do.

That is so completely cool.  Reminds me of the Underwood Manual typewrite I had in college.

Oh, so few today know what cc: really means!

[Joanna Dark]

No. I enjoy being around cis-gendered people. I like having trans people in my life, but all-transfeminine spaces are very different than all female spaces (don't know if other people have seen this.) I would miss friendships with cis-women if I didn't have them.

So in other words I'm not really a woman? That's how this is coming off, Suzi. Yes, trans spaces will be different from woman's spaces where the focus isn't being trans, obviously. But you could have 10 cis women and eight trans women in a book club and it would be no different then if the trans women were there or not. This is especially true if all the trans girls are stealth.

I know you're new to being trans Suzi so I guess I can see you saying this but really i found the underlying concept that there is a fundemental difference between myself and a GG highly insulting and makes me feel all fake. I don't like that feeling and if I had to go out into an all women's space today, this would have nuked what little confidence I have. I don't think there is and I dont put much weight into the whole female socialization thing. Not for peeps my age. Girls and boys are raised essnetially the same nowadays. Much to the radfems chagrin. Yes there are def going to be differences of expereince but outside of maybe 10 peeps who I have known on Susan's I have never had the same or even similar experience as another person so I hardly have been socialized correctly as male either. Far from it. Most men usually tell me to go hang out with the girls where I belong. This was pre-HRT. And the only male privilege I had was the privilege to be bamboozled by the Pennsylvania Justice System and put in a male prison for two years from 19-21 where I subquently had to fight off multiple sexual assaults. And even there they kept telling me they would put me on the woman's block if they could. And three female probation  officers tried to get me to confess to being a prositute and put try to put me in a recovery house for prostitutes instead. I should have done it. Male privilege. Not for me.

And in seventh grade in an effort to make myself useful to potential male friends I wrote a poem for this guy for English and then the teacher, Ms. Park, who I loved and was the best teacher I ever had, made him redo the poem and said "Sorry Bob you have to write your own poems there is no way you wrote it. it's far too sweet, emotive and sensitive that only M could have wrote it" Just what every seventh grade boy wants to hear: I'm sweet gentle and sensitive and emotional. This is alll because I am a woman. And becuase of an unfortunate occurence somehwere around six weeks into life the translocation of the SRY made me this.

Okay, I'm rambling, this just really triggered me.

[kariann330]

Why in hell would anyone want firearms guns are a huge no no hell no. Oh and to respond NO.

Simple answer, its best to have them and not need them, then need one and not have one.

[Miss_Bungle1991]

Simple answer, its best to have them and not need them, then need one and not have one.

Sorry, but that doesn't hold water. Think of how many people that have dealt suicidal thoughts and then imagine that gun being around "just for protection". It would be all too easy to pop a cap in your skull and it would be done and over with.

No thanks. Besides, I have plenty of other means to protect myself that don't involve firearms.

[kariann330]

Actually it holds more then water....it holds lead, brass, powder etc.