question about "the left wing"

[Shantel]

I have no problem with people wanting to protect themselves. I can own a gun but I choose not to. Gun control doesn't deal with the underlying issues of crime, joblessness, and lack of opportunity. When people do not have these, they resort to crime. Couple that with anger and hopelessness they feel then you have a volatile mix.

Regarding the mass shootings such as Sandy Hook, in every case the perpetrator(s) were on anti-psychotic drugs. The vast majority of these medicines have horrible side effects which include suicidal thoughts, confusion, and that the people may be hearing voices.THIS is the point NOT brought by the media. They won't because big pharma controls medicine today. The bigger crime is that normal behavior is being pathologized  and these dangerous drugs are prescribed for children.

A big amen to this comment! The media has abrogated it's responsibility as the fourth estate as have most members of congress who are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry.

[Anatta]

Kia Ora,

Not really related but close enough "Guns are involved"....


When the hunter becomes the hunted and fears for his life...The irony of it all...

http://gazette.com/texas-rhino-hunt-auction-winner-fears-for-safety/article/feed/79586

Metta Zenda

[Shantel]

Some people enjoy the hunt, they use the meat or give to those who do. The game is managed and levels are maintained to ensure against extinction. In the US hunting is a big business which brings massive income into state coffers through the fish and game departments. Game levels are judiciously regulated and interestingly enough because of that the deer and elk herds are much larger in CONUS than they were 100 years ago due to game management policies.

Unfortunately there is a segment of society that has elevated these animals placing them on a par with human beings to the extent that certain organizations are willing to infringe on the rights and vilify those who eat meat and enjoy hunting. I understand that some of it is religiously driven, those folks have the right to believe as they wish without trying to shove their convictions down other's throats through personal attacks, threats and intimidation.

[Hikari]

Just to note that since hunting has been mentioned, I note that it is over regulated. In the state of Virginia handicapped hunters can use crossbows but, fully ambulatory hunters must use archery equipment for bow hunting. Also the hunting seasons allow deer to absolutely over populate and eat all of the plants in even suburban gardens.

I think we need some regulations on hunting, but they need to be based on keeping the environment working right, since humans by and large removed the predators we need to replace them. Also why I could see the logic in getting rid of handguns and assault rifles I couldn't see the logic of banning hunting weapons.

[amZo]

Strategic legislation is a tactic used on both sides.

Legislation is often not enforced tactically either. This video is yet additional proof in my view, that there are politicians that want more gun related deaths so they can gain support for gun bans. The Fast & Furious case of flooding 'assault' rifles into Mexico so they'd find their way back into the U.S. and drive up gun murders is another bit of proof IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRidnXwLf8&feature=player_detailpage

[JaneNicole2013]

I just have to chime in on this. Liberals do NOT hate guns. They hate the senseless murder of innocents. Period. I know lots of liberals who have guns. I don't, but will get one some day and even get my CCW permit.

I think they (me included) get frustrated when the NRA and their supporters want to talk about everything EXCEPT gun control. We do NOT have unhindered right to bear arms. Citizens are not allowed bombs, RPGs, machine guns or nukes so there IS A LINE to be drawn somewhere. Closing the gun show loophole would have been a good first step.

Oh, and liberals do NOT want more gun related deaths and the Fast and Furious program (started by Bush) was not an attempt to flood the US market with illegal guns to jack up gun deaths. See, it's this kind of rhetoric that makes progress to solving the issue difficult.

Jane

[amZo]

I just have to chime in on this. Liberals do NOT hate guns. They hate the senseless murder of innocents. Period. I know lots of liberals who have guns. I don't, but will get one some day and even get my CCW permit.

I think they (me included) get frustrated when the NRA and their supporters want to talk about everything EXCEPT gun control. We do NOT have unhindered right to bear arms. Citizens are not allowed bombs, RPGs, machine guns or nukes so there IS A LINE to be drawn somewhere. Closing the gun show loophole would have been a good first step.

Oh, and liberals do NOT want more gun related deaths and the Fast and Furious program (started by Bush) was not an attempt to flood the US market with illegal guns to jack up gun deaths. See, it's this kind of rhetoric that makes progress to solving the issue difficult.

Jane

Rhetoric? F&F was Obama's program, even ABC couldn't tolerate Obama's lie about Bush starting it...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/

They didn't track the guns, they dumped them into Mexico, essentially into the hands of drug cartels. This administration has covered this scandal up with lies and denials, they haven't stated it's purpose, so I choose to fill in the blanks, probably correctly so.

NRA's main mission is gun safety and protection of our constitution.  They're ok in my book. 

[Shantel]

The epitome of hypocrisy by the producer of some of the biggest gun violence films ever!


Harvey Weinstein making film with Meryl Streep to make NRA 'wish they weren't alive'
Jan. 16, 2014, 2:22 PM EST
By Greg Gilman
TheWrap
Harvey Weinstein promised that an upcoming film starring Meryl Streep will make the National Rifle Association "wish they weren't alive" during an interview with Howard Stern earlier this week, and now it has a title.
A Weinstein Co. spokeswoman told TheWrap on Thursday that the film will be called "The Senator's Wife."
"I don't think we need guns in this country," Weinstein told Stern on Wednesday. "I think the NRA is a disaster area."
"I shouldn't say this, but I'll tell it to you, Howard," Weinstein added. "I'm going to make a movie with Meryl Streep, and we're going to take this head-on. And they're going to wish they weren't alive after I'm done with them."
Weinstein described the film as a "big movie like a 'Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,'" which he hopes will make audiences think: "Gun stocks — I don't want to be involved in that stuff. It's going to be like crash and burn."

[amZo]

I think Hollywood is a disaster area, he's one to talk huh?

[JaneNicole2013]

I'm sure we can both toss around "facts" back and forth (because I have some to counter your claims) but we won't get anywhere. Just know liberals don't want to take your guns away, as long as you prove yourself to be a responsible gun owner. We see a lot about gun rights, but very little about gun responsibility.

[kariann330]

I just have to chime in on this. Liberals do NOT hate guns. They hate the senseless murder of innocents. Period. I know lots of liberals who have guns. I don't, but will get one some day and even get my CCW permit.

I think they (me included) get frustrated when the NRA and their supporters want to talk about everything EXCEPT gun control. We do NOT have unhindered right to bear arms. Citizens are not allowed bombs, RPGs, machine guns or nukes so there IS A LINE to be drawn somewhere. Closing the gun show loophole would have been a good first step.

Oh, and liberals do NOT want more gun related deaths and the Fast and Furious program (started by Bush) was not an attempt to flood the US market with illegal guns to jack up gun deaths. See, it's this kind of rhetoric that makes progress to solving the issue difficult.

Jane

Can not own machine guns? Wrong, i have a family member who owns an M132 minigun....and it is fully functional. A friend owns a SAW gun, and another family member owns a functional M16A4. All made possible by a class 3 tax stamp.
Can not own bombs? Wrong  class 8 tax stamp allows you to own explosives from hand held size, such as grenades and flashbangs, up to and including plastic explosives such as Comp B and it's more powerful cousin C4.

Yes some states, such as California and New York have laws blocking the federal NFA registration of a firearm making it illegal to own them, but here in Ohio, you can get up to a class 8 tax stamp letting a person own from a fully automatic firearm, to a pound of C4 at a time.

[kariann330]

All guns in this video are privately owned, all are fully automatic, all are machine guns ranging from uzis and Glock 18's to miniguns and SAW guns....even water cooled guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_4OJkGP8bw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[JaneNicole2013]

Well it sounds like the right to bear arms is alive and well in the United States .

Back to the OP's original question: "That is, why do most "liberals" and democrats seem to hate firearms and want to violate the second amendment by limiting what you can own?"

Answer: Most liberal and democrats do NOT hate firearms. Many liberals and democrats have guns (and while I don't have one currently, I consider myself a future gun owner) and enjoy guns. As for "violating" the second amendment, almost every amendment has reasonable limitations, the second amendment should be no exception. It's finding common ground about those limitations that is the problem and unfortunately there are many mistruths being spread on both side. For example, your original assumption that liberals hate guns. Where did you get that idea? Most liberals I know are okay with gun ownership--RESPONSIBLE gun ownership. We see a lot about gun rights, but very little about gun responsibility.

And speaking of mistruths, I have heard some doozies out there--just don't buy into all the hype out there. A good 90% of it or more is not true.

And that's all I'm saying on this. I don't come to this site to argue politics but I got sucked in. My bad .

[Emo]

Im independent and i dislike both sides of the aisle.
But this:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html
Thats why im against guns.

[Joan]

Im independent and i dislike both sides of the aisle.
But this:
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html
Thats why im against guns.

I spent the first half of my life in th UK and the second half in Japan. Guns are not available in either country so I'm not really in a position to comment on this topic.

I will say that in the countries I have lived, I have never touched a gun, nor even seen one.
Also, nobody I know has ever shot anyone, not has anyone I know ever been shot. 

I am very happy that that is the case.

[TerriT]

I just have to chime in on this. Liberals do NOT hate guns. They hate the senseless murder of innocents. Period. I know lots of liberals who have guns. I don't, but will get one some day and even get my CCW permit.

I think they (me included) get frustrated when the NRA and their supporters want to talk about everything EXCEPT gun control. We do NOT have unhindered right to bear arms. Citizens are not allowed bombs, RPGs, machine guns or nukes so there IS A LINE to be drawn somewhere. Closing the gun show loophole would have been a good first step.

Oh, and liberals do NOT want more gun related deaths and the Fast and Furious program (started by Bush) was not an attempt to flood the US market with illegal guns to jack up gun deaths. See, it's this kind of rhetoric that makes progress to solving the issue difficult.

Jane

Is this meant to imply that anyone else doesn't?

Also, there is no such thing as a gun show loophole. That is magic word candy. Just like the word assault rifle. Also, the willful ignorance regarding F&F is painful.

I'm sure we can both toss around "facts" back and forth (because I have some to counter your claims) but we won't get anywhere. Just know liberals don't want to take your guns away, as long as you prove yourself to be a responsible gun owner. We see a lot about gun rights, but very little about gun responsibility.

The NRA has done more to promote responsible gun ownership than any other body on the planet. Yet you dislike them. Regarding liberals seizing gun rights:

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it." - Dianne Feinstein

Whether every liberal supports regressive gun legislation or not is irrelevant if the politicians they elect are committed to pursuing it.

[Emo]

Why doesnt the NRA support closing loopholes?
If they care about gun safety so much, why dont they try harder to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mental patients?

[Cindy]

Moderation.

So far this has been a healthy thread and I know emotions can ride high but let us keep it at a healthy robust discussion but not get carried away.

Thank You
Cindy

OMG explosives as well!!!!

[Emo]

It was an honest question...

[Cindy]

It was an honest question...

I wasn't questioning you or anyone in particular, just a general comment.

Hugs Hon