question about "the left wing"

[LordKAT]

Some states limit welfare to 2 kids, more kids does not get you any more benefits.

[Kyra553]

My response as a gun collector is.

Would you rather have this like the UK:




against this or many this's: Entering your home



Or would you rather defend your life, family, property, and living with this?:





I own many of option two...

[Miss_Bungle1991]

Meh...I don't own any guns and I don't need to. I have many items around that I could use for self defense. All you need is the will and the ability to summon an absolutely psychotic level of rage at a moment's notice. That would be a piece of cake in a self defense situation. I spent enough years cowering in my youth that I am all "cowered out" at this point.

[MadeleineG]

I thought this story might be of interest to the readers of this thread:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-debate-reignites-with-rumoured-ban-of-classic-green-rifle-1.2554372

[Shantel]

I thought this story might be of interest to the readers of this thread:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-debate-reignites-with-rumoured-ban-of-classic-green-rifle-1.2554372

Fully automatic rifles aka machine guns have been banned for private ownership in most US states for many years and it's illegal to modify a semi-automatic to render it full-auto.

[amZo]

Men with knives kill 33 at Chinese train station. What's that the anti-gun folks tell us? Only mass casualties are possible with 'assault' weapons? But guns did stop these killers though, as would a conceal and carry law like we have in my state. Lock and load ladies! 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_TRAIN_STATION_ATTACK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-01-12-32-39

[michelle]

This whole discussion does nothing to solve the problem of the misuse of guns in our society.   Nothing stops the drive by shootings in our communities.    Nothing stops people who are afraid from shooting unarmed people who inspire this fear.    The right to own guns gives no one the right to kill someone because of imaginary fear.   No one has ever conquered their fear by killing anyone.   We also have the right to life.   We have the right to not be killed by a fearful neighbor.    Getting a gun and returning fire only spreads the unnecessary and senseless killing.   The right to own a gun means the responsibility to use it responsibly.    When a neighbor is in need and comes to our door, we have the responsibility to help them,  not for us to take their lives because we panic.   This tells me that owning a gun does not make many people feel safe,  it only allows them to panic and kill someone senselessly,    then they have to live with the guilt of their actions for the rest of their lives.

[Jamie D]

"An armed society is a polite society.  Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
- Robert Heinlein

I am willing to bet there are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians who wish they were armed right now, in the face of evil leftist aggression.

[Kyra553]

"An armed society is a polite society.  Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
- Robert Heinlein

I am willing to bet there are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians who wish they were armed right now, in the face of evil leftist aggression.

Well said indeed!

[amZo]

Yes, very good point.

[Hideyoshi]

My response as a gun collector is.

Would you rather have this like the UK:




against this or many this's: Entering your home



Or would you rather defend your life, family, property, and living with this?:





I own many of option two...

Have you watched that video? Unless that woman had a gun strapped to her side in her own home, there is no way having guns would have stopped that attack.  The man just barged in and started punching her.  If you keep your guns locked up in the bedroom or somewhere safe, they wouldn't do ANYTHING to help you in the identical situation that woman went through. 

Men with knives kill 33 at Chinese train station. What's that the anti-gun folks tell us? Only mass casualties are possible with 'assault' weapons? But guns did stop these killers though, as would a conceal and carry law like we have in my state. Lock and load ladies! 

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_TRAIN_STATION_ATTACK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-01-12-32-39

Not ONE person with any sense would say "Only mass casualties are possible with assault weapons." 

Imagine if each of those men had assault rifles with 100 round drum magazines.  EVERYBODY in that train station would be dead.  OH RIGHT, I forgot, the only thing stopping a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.  It would be okay if those men had those rifles only if the innocent people in the train station also had rifles, because then they could shoot the bad guys, and of course not harm any bystanders.

"An armed society is a polite society.  Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."
- Robert Heinlein

I am willing to bet there are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians who wish they were armed right now, in the face of evil leftist aggression.

Because Japan is so much more violent than the US.  It's a bloodbath there, I tell ya.

[Miss_Bungle1991]

I don't need no stinkin' gun. I just need one of these:



You smack someone in the head with that and it WILL hurt. No permit required.

[amZo]

Or you could shoot spit balls at them...

[Miss_Bungle1991]

Or you could shoot spit balls at them...

Ummm, no.

You smack someone in the face with a piece of metal and tell me that wouldn't hurt?

Not to mention the fact that I wouldn't stop at one hit. I would beat the hell out of them. Then out comes the butcher knife. I have many implements of self defense and I know how to use them effectively. I never fear for my safety.

[ToxicFox]

Anyone find it funny that we have to spend at least 3 months with a shrink to get pills but to get a gun all it takes at most is a background check? Those pills cannot hurt anyone else other than ourselves but guns can so maybe we should make people who want to own guns talk with a shrink a few times to make sure they're fit to own a gun. It would also help if every gun was registered to a name with maybe a ballistics report but we have a lot of guns that aren't even registered to anyone out there or registered to people who have been dead for years. The only time a ballistics report is tied to a gun if when a murder happens or the owner wants a concealed carry permit. There is nothing wrong with guns but there is something wrong with the system that manages them. We need to spend less time on clip size and what types of guns and more on a system to keep track of the guns and make sure their owners are fit.

[amZo]

Anyone find it funny that we have to spend at least 3 months with a shrink to get pills but to get a gun all it takes at most is a background check? Those pills cannot hurt anyone else other than ourselves but guns can so maybe we should make people who want to own guns talk with a shrink a few times to make sure they're fit to own a gun. It would also help if every gun was registered to a name with maybe a ballistics report but we have a lot of guns that aren't even registered to anyone out there or registered to people who have been dead for years. The only time a ballistics report is tied to a gun if when a murder happens or the owner wants a concealed carry permit. There is nothing wrong with guns but there is something wrong with the system that manages them. We need to spend less time on clip size and what types of guns and more on a system to keep track of the guns and make sure their owners are fit.

I would hate to see people in fear of their lives, say from ex-husbands or boyfriends, etc., have to wait three months to get a gun to protect themselves. BTW, what other constitutional right requires a three month waiting period? Just curious.

[Miss_Bungle1991]

Anyone find it funny that we have to spend at least 3 months with a shrink to get pills but to get a gun all it takes at most is a background check? Those pills cannot hurt anyone else other than ourselves but guns can so maybe we should make people who want to own guns talk with a shrink a few times to make sure they're fit to own a gun.

I know. It's pretty crazy, isn't it?

I remember I was in Rural King one time. I was there with my mom and she was looking for some lights or something for a house that she was working on. I decided to walk over to the gun case to browse and ask a few questions just to see what would happen. They had a short barrel shotgun in there for around $500, I think. I asked the guy:"Okay, if I wanted to purchase this gun, what is the procedure? Is there a 5 day waiting period, background check, etc?" He says, "Nope. As long as you have the money to pay for it, you can walk out with it that day". Then he says "and here's any ammo that you need" and shows me a box of ammunition for that particular gun. I just smiled, nodded and said: "Okay, I will let you know" and I walked away. Of course, I don't need a gun and there is no way in hell I would ever buy one. I've never liked guns. But I just thought that it was insane that I could actually walk in with a wad of cash and then go home with a weapon that is capable of blowing a huge hole in someone.

[Shantel]

Anyone find it funny that we have to spend at least 3 months with a shrink to get pills but to get a gun all it takes at most is a background check? Those pills cannot hurt anyone else other than ourselves but guns can so maybe we should make people who want to own guns talk with a shrink a few times to make sure they're fit to own a gun. It would also help if every gun was registered to a name with maybe a ballistics report but we have a lot of guns that aren't even registered to anyone out there or registered to people who have been dead for years. The only time a ballistics report is tied to a gun if when a murder happens or the owner wants a concealed carry permit. There is nothing wrong with guns but there is something wrong with the system that manages them. We need to spend less time on clip size and what types of guns and more on a system to keep track of the guns and make sure their owners are fit.

Yeah, let's do the same with cars, there's too many morons on the roads killing people who shouldn't be driving, lets clap every doctor in prison who is responsible for a patient death too, because these two things far exceed the carnage done by gun owners. I think while we're at it we might have some legislation against eating utensils, my 700lb neighbor had a gastric bypass and then proceeded to eat herself to death anyway. While we're at it lets just give up free will and let Big Brother do everything for us after all we're all incapable of making any good choices on our own.

[amZo]

BTW, just how dumb does a person have to be to believe these psychopaths in government care one wit about others' health or saving money?

Look at all the massive waste and fraud of taxpayer's money in this government. It's disgusting. The gall of politicians and the stupidity of some Americans is just mind boggling.

[Miss_Bungle1991]

Yeah, let's do the same with cars, there's too many morons on the roads killing people who shouldn't be driving, lets clap every doctor in prison who is responsible for a patient death too, because these two things far exceed the carnage done by gun owners. I think while we're at it we might have some legislation against eating utensils, my 700lb neighbor had a gastric bypass and then proceeded to eat herself to death anyway. While we're at it lets just give up free will and let Big Brother do everything for us after all we're all incapable of making any good choices on our own.

Sorry, I can't agree with that. I am sure this is dripping with sarcasm, but I find it just a tad annoying that anytime someone brings up any kind of regulations on firearms, these arguments pop up.

Besides, it just leads to the argument of "Well, a populace needs to protect itself from its would-be oppressors" and then you could point to the current situation in the Ukraine as an example. Okay, if the people of this country rose up against the government, do you honestly think they would win? I doubt it. If they really wanted to take out any opposition, a barrage of well-placed airstrikes would do the trick. Then once you destroy critical elements of the infrastructure, you could just sit back and watch as large swaths of the populace turn on one another and kill each other, loot, riot, etc.

Think it couldn't happen?