“Redskins”

[Jamie D]

In NA, we have the Cincinnati Reds, the Cleveland Browns, and the St Louis Blues.

Presumably, St Louis has a prominent blue population. 

The "Reds" baseball club began  as the "Red Stockings."

The original Cleveland Browns, a charter team of the All-American Football Conference (1946-1949), were named their original coach, Paul Brown.  Three of the AAFC teams joined with the NFL for the 1950 season.

The St. Louis Blues of the NHL were named after a popular song.

The was a St. Louis Browns AL team, until the moved to become the Baltimore Orioles.

The fellow pictured ingested too much colloidal silver.

[amZo]

The name that always offended me is "Spartans." It's very common and people don't give it a second thought, but honestly, what a horrible group to honour. 

You got to cut them some slack given it was 5,000 BC (or was it 500 BC? eh, it was sometime BC)...

[amZo]

Browsing through this topic...

Does the shaming of non-ethnic activists bother anyone else here?  Seems counterintuitive that we should only stand up for causes that relate specifically to us.

As for the name-change debate, I think it really relates to the context of the name.  Blackhawks and Braves?  I don't have a problem with them; the names are pretty neutral, and logos have been modernized to prouder symbols.  Indians and Redskins?  Holy 1831, Batman.  Cleveland, at least hide the buckteeth better.  And an interesting note about the Redskins- their original owner, from their Boston days, was defiantly racist.

Anecdotally, my sister and I attend the Quincy High-North Quincy High Thanksgiving game every year with our dad.  The Presidents vs. the Red Raiders.  It's shameful that a region tied so close to American history would perpetuate the false assumption that Native Americans were the invaders.

Whatever...end rant.  I've gotta get up early to grab a vanilla chai with my Wampanoag sister

If this is aimed at me, then I just ask that people not twist what I said.

To suggest I think majorities should sit by and do nothing when minorities are unfairly treated is ludicrous.

What I'm clearly saying is, if a minority group has no problem with something, then I don't really care much about the sensibilities of those outside that group. 

Personally, I have suspicion some are using native Americans to push their own agenda. That I do have a problem with.

End rant. 

[MadeleineG]

You got to cut them some slack given it was 5,000 BC (or was it 500 BC? eh, it was sometime BC)...

I have to concede to being a little tongue-in-cheek here.

That being said, 2500 years from now, I should hope that Nazis will be no more appropriate a team name than it would be today.

[Shantel]

What I'm clearly saying is, if a minority group has no problem with something, then I don't really care much about the sensibilities of those outside that group. 

Personally, I have suspicion some are using native Americans to push their own agenda. That I do have a problem with.

So true, you are absolutely right! The name of the game is divide and conquer! Create as much polemic divisiveness as possible to draw those of your own ilk to your side, then pound the opposition with every means of intimidation possible until they cave in to your demands.

[amZo]

I have to concede to being a little tongue-in-cheek here.

That being said, 2500 years from now, I should hope that Nazis will be no more appropriate a team name than it would be today.

Oh, so it is 500 BC, you know after I thought about it, 5000 BC seemed way too long ago. 

Well, I do hope in 2,430 years from now ( ), the Nazi regime will still be uncool. Something tells me they will be.

So true, you are absolutely right! The name of the game is divide and conquer! Create as much polemic divisiveness as possible to draw those of your own ilk to your side, then pound the opposition with every means of intimidation possible until they cave in to your demands.

... and create rash destructive laws with horrible unintended consequences while they're at it. 

[MadeleineG]

Oh, so it is 500 BC, you know after I thought about it, 5000 BC seemed way too long ago. 

[amZo]

Dang, the women looked so beautiful back then, and all this time I've thought if I was born a million years ago in the wrong body, things wouldn't have been so bad! 

[suzifrommd]

Dang, the women looked so beautiful back then, and all this time I've thought if I was born a million years ago in the wrong body, things wouldn't have been so bad! 

Well Racquel Welsh may be proud of looking so good for her advance age, but I think she's still a year or two short of a million.

[MadeleineG]

Well Racquel Welsh may be proud of looking so good for her advance age, but I think she's still a year or two short of a million.

And then there's this old piece of trans-desiderata.

[amZo]

Rachel was the epitome of being a woman when I was a child, I think she is just incredible. And yes, we all can only hope to age so gracefully!

[Jamie D]

You got to cut them some slack given it was 5,000 BC (or was it 500 BC? eh, it was sometime BC)...

Well, let's see.  The Battle of Thermopylae was in 480 BC. Remember the hunks in the movie "300 Spartans"?

<drools>

So, yeah, 500 BC catches them near their height.