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str8_softhearted



OMG you are so sweet. The women here are so sweet. I am so glad that those who need it have such a safe haven where they are loved. I think if straight men really knew how sweet and caring TS women really are (and intelligent and humorous too as I found) they would be their first choice (over GG). Now if I only knew who among you are single.....just kidding (well...maybe). OMG...I am gushing aren't I? Regaining my composure... :-* back
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str8_softhearted



I hope my enthusiasm and humor in my previous post did not cross any bounds. If so I did not mean any offense.
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Hayley

Quote from: str8softhearted4ltr on January 28, 2014, 04:05:59 AM

I hope my enthusiasm and humor in my previous post did not cross any bounds. If so I did not mean any offense.

Hello Dan. I don't believe your last post was offensive. I got a little laugh out of it. Also I  am sorry to hear about you and your wife. That is so awful she would cheat on you. For a family centered individual like yourself I can only imagine how much that hurt you. If it's any consolation you sound like a loving father to your daughter. It's always nice to meet new people, especially ones that are open minded. Sorry for the late welcome. Hopefully you find your time hear enjoyable.
Byes!!!! It's been real but this place isn't for me. Good luck in the future everyone.
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str8_softhearted

Quote from: Hayley on January 28, 2014, 05:37:22 AM
Hello Dan. I don't believe your last post was offensive. I got a little laugh out of it. Also I  am sorry to hear about you and your wife. That is so awful she would cheat on you. For a family centered individual like yourself I can only imagine how much that hurt you. If it's any consolation you sound like a loving father to your daughter. It's always nice to meet new people, especially ones that are open minded. Sorry for the late welcome. Hopefully you find your time hear enjoyable.


Thank you for the welcome Hayley. It is a relief to me to read your post. I realize that this forum is a safe haven for the TG community, for counseling, comfort, etc. as its primary mission, first and foremost, and that the learning that visitors like me experience who are not TG is only a secondary benefit of this forum. I would not want to jeapardize or intrude on that primary mission unintentionally, so after my post I thought, in hindsight, it could be interpreted or construed in an unintended way (hence my concern in the post that followed it). I truly wish the best for those on this site.

I also appreciate your compassion and comfort concerning the struggles I faced during my marriage and the circumstances leading to its breakup. You and the others who have welcomed me here exemplify what I have sensed about the TG community, both on this site and elsewhere in my recent past; a kind, understanding, nurturing, sweet, intelligent, (should I go on with the superlatives?) collection of people who also demonstrate a nice sense of humor :) The solace that you and others extended to me concerning my own problems reinforces this in my mind.

I hope that you are fulfilling your dreams for you life. Hugs,
Dan
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str8_softhearted



Wow, Susan is right in the announcements section of the forum when she says that the transition to "newbie" occurs soon enough, more quickly than one realizes, so one should be patient. I did not realize I had so many posts already. After looking around some on the forum, I noticed that there is a science section I now have access to......yessssss. You will definitely see me post some there in the future. Now that I can do so, I thought that I would upload a picture I had taken of myself last spring (2013) as my avatar. I wish everyone a wonderful day.
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Cindy

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str8_softhearted

Quote from: Cindy on January 29, 2014, 03:28:17 AM
Mmm cute, nice mo.

Nice eyes.


Thank you for the compliments (blushing a little).....I find you to be very attractive yourself. Makes me want to visit Australia  :-* I noticed we are very close in age.

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Cindy

Quote from: str8softhearted4ltr on January 29, 2014, 03:47:40 AM

Thank you for the compliments (blushing a little).....I find you to be very attractive yourself. Makes me want to visit Australia  :-* I noticed we are very close in age.

Thank you!  I have a rather gorgeous boyfriend who may express an opinion :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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str8_softhearted

Quote from: Cindy on January 29, 2014, 03:52:57 AM
Thank you!  I have a rather gorgeous boyfriend who may express an opinion :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


My loss, lucky guy your boyfriend.....Oh well, hope there is someone out there for me. You are sweet to compliment me.
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Sandy

Quote from: str8softhearted4ltr on January 28, 2014, 05:37:13 PM

Thank you for the welcome Hayley. It is a relief to me to read your post. I realize that this forum is a safe haven for the TG community, for counseling, comfort, etc. as its primary mission, first and foremost, and that the learning that visitors like me experience who are not TG is only a secondary benefit of this forum. I would not want to jeapardize or intrude on that primary mission unintentionally, so after my post I thought, in hindsight, it could be interpreted or construed in an unintended way (hence my concern in the post that followed it). I truly wish the best for those on this site.

I also appreciate your compassion and comfort concerning the struggles I faced during my marriage and the circumstances leading to its breakup. You and the others who have welcomed me here exemplify what I have sensed about the TG community, both on this site and elsewhere in my recent past; a kind, understanding, nurturing, sweet, intelligent, (should I go on with the superlatives?) collection of people who also demonstrate a nice sense of humor :) The solace that you and others extended to me concerning my own problems reinforces this in my mind.

I hope that you are fulfilling your dreams for you life. Hugs,
Dan

Dan:

Welcome to Susan's!

For many this is the only place of solace that they have.  Transition is fraught with much emotional turmoil.  Most marriages, about 90%, dissolve as a result.  Family and friends turn away.  We face loss of jobs and careers.  This is a terrifying time for us.  Additionally we go on an emotional roller coaster as our bodies change from our cross hormone therapies.  We can feel very lonely.

To find a place where others are going through the same experience can be very uplifting.

And to find someone as yourself who comes here with such an open mind is so encouraging.  I see that you have been through the emotional ringer too.  And I am so sorry for your pain.  You seem like such a loving and light hearted man.  You didn't deserve the pain.  I hope that this doesn't sour your heart.

Know that we are here for you too.  Feel free to come here.  We all have poured our hearts out to our brothers and sisters and always found a shoulder to cry on.  And we share our joys as well.

You are not alone.

And cute too!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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str8_softhearted

Quote from: Sandy on January 29, 2014, 05:50:56 AM
Dan:

Welcome to Susan's!

For many this is the only place of solace that they have.  Transition is fraught with much emotional turmoil.  Most marriages, about 90%, dissolve as a result.  Family and friends turn away.  We face loss of jobs and careers.  This is a terrifying time for us.  Additionally we go on an emotional roller coaster as our bodies change from our cross hormone therapies.  We can feel very lonely.

To find a place where others are going through the same experience can be very uplifting.

And to find someone as yourself who comes here with such an open mind is so encouraging.  I see that you have been through the emotional ringer too.  And I am so sorry for your pain.  You seem like such a loving and light hearted man.  You didn't deserve the pain.  I hope that this doesn't sour your heart.

Know that we are here for you too.  Feel free to come here.  We all have poured our hearts out to our brothers and sisters and always found a shoulder to cry on.  And we share our joys as well.

You are not alone.

And cute too!

-Sandy


Hi Sandy, nice to meet you. Thank you for the compliment, encouragement, sympathy, and enlightenment. I do not think that my past has soured my heart, and I hope to learn a lot here and meet friends. Your words are very kind. Being newly married (your avatar), it looks like things are going well for you.

best wishes,
Dan


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EllieM


Dan,
I have estimated, from your issues revealed, that we are probably close in age. I have to say that reading about your situation with your wife broke my heart. I am so sorry you were made to endure that pain. I am assuming that you still have a good relationship with your children, hoping that to be the case, that will, I'm sure, help carry you through this.

Dan, life is pain, and as Schopenhauer said, "Suffering by nature or chance never seems so painful as suffering inflicted on us by the arbitrary will of another." I'm hoping you have moved past your wife. Focus on yourself and your girls. Work on healing yourself, try to move away from the meds. You know you have our support here, although most of us can only offer you a virtual hug. :icon_hug: You may very well meet your bashert through your encounters here, at the very least, you will find understanding and acceptance.

Re-reading the thread, I have to say I have no doubts about your sincerety and good intentions, and I get the feeling that our other companions here feel the same way.

Oh yeah, and Cindy... God (or something) bless you.

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oh hai!

Dan,

Allow me to be blunt. Others will couch there words; I will not. If you are here legitimately to learn more about our transgender sisters and brothers I can accept and encourage that. If you are here to potentially attract a mate; please go elsewhere.

Speaking only for myself, (but not an uncommon reaction,) I am a woman through and through. I will have the same motivations, faults, strengths and aspirations as any woman. I will fight tooth and nail to attain all of them. I don't need recognazince or affirmation of gender, passability, or aesthetic appeal. I do not welcome comments to such or to any flirtatious behaviour; that is not why I come to this site.

As you have been welcomed by moderation staff and long term members, I bid a cautious welcome as well. I am a fairly new member as well having joined only last year so I must defer to their wisdom. But know that should I feel uncomfortable posting personal anecdotes, pictures, etc. I would remove myself from the site and find safe spaces elsewhere.
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str8_softhearted

Quote from: EllieM on January 30, 2014, 02:01:15 PM

Dan,
I have estimated, from your issues revealed, that we are probably close in age. I have to say that reading about your situation with your wife broke my heart. I am so sorry you were made to endure that pain. I am assuming that you still have a good relationship with your children, hoping that to be the case, that will, I'm sure, help carry you through this.

Dan, life is pain, and as Schopenhauer said, "Suffering by nature or chance never seems so painful as suffering inflicted on us by the arbitrary will of another." I'm hoping you have moved past your wife. Focus on yourself and your girls. Work on healing yourself, try to move away from the meds. You know you have our support here, although most of us can only offer you a virtual hug. :icon_hug: You may very well meet your bashert through your encounters here, at the very least, you will find understanding and acceptance.

Re-reading the thread, I have to say I have no doubts about your sincerety and good intentions, and I get the feeling that our other companions here feel the same way.

Oh yeah, and Cindy... God (or something) bless you.




Ellie,

You do not know how much I appreciate and needed your kind words. I am feeling especially low right now. I do have a close relationship with my daughters, especially with the older two being estranged from their mother, although the next oldest living in LA did reconcile with her to some extent recently. I was essentially mom and dad to her (soccer mom, etc.) growing up, and she calls me for advice, consoling, etc. instead of her mom. The oldest had to go to therapy due to her issues with her mom, and was suicidal at one point. Yes, in many ways my daughters are my life.

I concur on your comment on Cindy.

Hugs, even though they are only virtual
Dan
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str8_softhearted

Quote from: oh hai! on January 30, 2014, 03:44:50 PM
Dan,

Allow me to be blunt. Others will couch there words; I will not. If you are here legitimately to learn more about our transgender sisters and brothers I can accept and encourage that. If you are here to potentially attract a mate; please go elsewhere.

Speaking only for myself, (but not an uncommon reaction,) I am a woman through and through. I will have the same motivations, faults, strengths and aspirations as any woman. I will fight tooth and nail to attain all of them. I don't need recognazince or affirmation of gender, passability, or aesthetic appeal. I do not welcome comments to such or to any flirtatious behaviour; that is not why I come to this site.

As you have been welcomed by moderation staff and long term members, I bid a cautious welcome as well. I am a fairly new member as well having joined only last year so I must defer to their wisdom. But know that should I feel uncomfortable posting personal anecdotes, pictures, etc. I would remove myself from the site and find safe spaces elsewhere.


Wow....I apologize that my presence makes you so uncomfortable. If there are many here who share your opinion and who are just being too polite to say so, I will leave without incident. I have no intention of being an intruder here if I am perceived to be so. I must admit I felt hurt to read your post, but I can understand your feelings, especially since you have at least pointed out those things that bothered you. I appreciate you being specific enough that I can understand where you are coming from in your opinion. I feel an obligation to address what you say so that anyone here can judge for themselves concerning my intentions.

I have stated here my respect for the primary intent of this site as a safe haven and source of advice and comfort for the TG community. I will gladly leave if my presence is thought to infringe on this in any way, with no hard feelings. I was on a TS dating site a year or more ago in search of a ltr, but began to sense that I might benefit quite a bit from learning even more about the community and their issues. I did have more of the TS MTF community in mind concerning such leaning I will admit, but I am open to being more aware of the broader TG community's issues as well. I will also admit to being very lonely, hurt by my recent past, and desiring companionship, friendship being good, but hopeful for more (long term relationship) some day if I can find it. I believe that many here share these very same desires, but I recognize that dating is not why they are here. My initial posting on this thread was essentially an editing of the one I used on the TS dating site, to give me a starting point. I removed the things about what I was looking for in a partner and similar things that I felt were inappropriate for this site. Perhaps it was a mistake to start that way, but it was a convenient summary about myself which I had already written. Did I participate in a little flirting? Yes, but I tried to be humorous and tasteful, brief, and stayed well away from any boundaries, at least I thought I did so. If any such posts were offensive to anyone, then I do apologize to all. My perception was that, in those cases were my flirting occured, the fliting would not be offensive to, or unwelcome by, the recipient. I will conform to whatever the mods here tell me, including leaving, if that is deemed best for the site.

It is true, in hindsight after re-reading some of my posts, that I have praised this community a lot regarding my perceptions of how charming and caring the TG community here is. I can see how this can be construed as being insincere due to being repetitive about it, but it was sincere and I meant my words. I think that the TG community gets so much abuse from the non-TG community that I guess I thought that it would be nice for those here to experience the opposite from someone from the non-TG community for a change. Perhaps that can be encouraging if it is perceived as sincere. Perhaps you felt that I was doing so with the hidden agenda of attracting someone to me. I can understand that, but I have a lot of respect for the intelligence of those here. If I were motivated in that way then I would have realized that many here would see through such an agenda. It is this very charm, warmth, intelligence, and understanding that attracted me to go try TS dating in the past in fact, as evidence of my sincerity in my view of TG people. I was also trying GG dating sites as well at the time, so I do not have a TS fetish or curiosity, I was being open minded.

I respect the womanhood of those here, for those who view themselves as females, and also the difficult journey many of them face. I never questioned it, and did not ever think that the women here needed my recognition, affirmation, or encouragement in that regard. If I expressed the opinion that any individual was attractive here, it was sincere. I think that anyone likes to hear that about themselves if it is sincere. I do not think I was alone in doing this here, and I do think it could be a positive thing as long as it is not taken too far.

If I am ever offensive to anyone here just tell me, but please be specific so that I can correct my behavior, as I appreciate that oh hai! did so. I will excuse myself now and leave.

sincerely to all,
Dan


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Nero

Quote from: str8softhearted4ltr on January 30, 2014, 07:48:19 PM

If I am ever offensive to anyone here just tell me, but please be specific so that I can correct my behavior, as I appreciate that oh hai! did so. I will excuse myself now and leave.

sincerely to all,
Dan

No need to leave Dan. You are welcome as long as you are respectful and mindful that this is not dating site - which you were in your explanation. Some of the women here are leery because trans women are often treated as fetish objects. It's great that you are here to learn about our community. Welcome to the site!
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Jessica Merriman

Hi Dan. I feel you have been clear, concise and accurate in putting forth education as the main reason you are with us. I for one believe you have been respectful and mindful of our feelings and encourage you to stick around with us. You are showing that you have the capacity to retain the correct terminologies and own up to little slips. Trust me, our moderators will let you know when things get dicey at times. They are a great bunch and are our little Rottweiler's on patrol for trolls. I welcome anyone here with the will to learn and maybe help us a little in the public arena when the uneducated spout off.  :)
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str8_softhearted

Quote from: FA on January 30, 2014, 07:58:27 PM
No need to leave Dan. You are welcome as long as you are respectful and mindful that this is not dating site - which you were in your explanation. Some of the women here are leery because trans women are often treated as fetish objects. It's great that you are here to learn about our community. Welcome to the site!


Dear FA,

Thank you, and I understand about TS women being leery. It was this very issue, when I was on the TS dating site, that prompted me to consider that I should learn more than I knew at the time about TS MTF women. I was not sure if I had the right, and/or adequate, sensitivities to what might trigger such distrust, out of my ignorance, and if could not gain some degree of trust then it would be difficult to get to know each other sufficiently to determine relationship potential, or even friendship for that matter. I found this issue to be a enough of a barrier, on average, to significantly impede getting to know TS women better when I tried to have correspondence on the TS site, to varying degrees. Many even conveyed such skepticism up front on their profile narratives after they had had experience with men on the TS site. (I am excluding profiles of a strong sexual nature, or those conveying sugar daddy or escort overtones, in my comments obviously. I ignored such profiles.) Some even stated that they would be leaving the dating site soon because of this issue, lamenting that there were no sincere men out there. I am sure this all rings true to your ears. Apparently many men DO think of TS women as a fetish or as an object in some similar fashion (a surprise to me of its extent). In fact, I was surprised to learn, from my correspondence there, that some men who are interested in pre-op MTF lose that interest once (or if) they become post-op MTF, which can only lead one to conclude that they were more interested in the genitalia than the woman herself. I would have NEVER have guessed that before learning of it. This presents a real difficulty, and catch-22 to some extent, for TS MTF women with regard to dating: if they drop their guard and trust up front they could get burned, but if they convey a strong distrust and skepticism up front, in turn, it can put off those who have a sincere interest in them but become discouraged and give up. This up-front-trust issue is true for dating in general to some extent, but I think that it is particularly acute in the TS dating community. Another reason for learning more about TG issues was that those of us with a more open mind in the non-TG community, in order to help end the persecution, should become sufficiently informed, including the terminology. Battling ignorance requires knowing the actual facts. It really bothers me to learn of the higher suicide rate of TG people for example, because of the despair of the lack of acceptance of who they are, or related issues. My oldest daughter had suicidal thoughts at one time, and it would have killed me if she had carried through with it. If you truly accept that TS women are mentally women in every way, then one is FORCED to conclude that they are indeed born with a hormonal/genitalia birth defect. I learned on this forum, for example, that there is research to support that TS MTF women have essentially the same brain scan patterns as GG women when it comes to their sexual responses. (I am summarizing greatly, but that is the gist.) I doubt if this is commonn knowledge outside of this community.

I truly wish, and hope, for the best of everyone here. I should really thank oh hai! for bringing this to my attention as it is better to do so than let if fester if many feel that about my presence, with me being unaware of it. I am not sure if it was a good idea now, in hindsight, to have joined here, but I am not going to do anything rash for the moment.

Sincerely yours,
Dan

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str8_softhearted

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on January 30, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
Hi Dan. I feel you have been clear, concise and accurate in putting forth education as the main reason you are with us. I for one believe you have been respectful and mindful of our feelings and encourage you to stick around with us. You are showing that you have the capacity to retain the correct terminologies and own up to little slips. Trust me, our moderators will let you know when things get dicey at times. They are a great bunch and are our little Rottweiler's on patrol for trolls. I welcome anyone here with the will to learn and maybe help us a little in the public arena when the uneducated spout off.  :)


Thank you Jessica, for your expression of faith and confidence in my sincerity. I am not perfect, so I need to be corrected if I stay here, so please feel free. Regarding the public arena, I would be glad to help wherever and whenever I see TG people being persecuted. Everyone should think to themselves, when they see someone in distress, "what would I want someone to do if that were my daughter (or place anyone here that you care deeply about) and I were not there?". When I was a young graduate student at Yale, I was living in a basement apartment and heard, while studying very late one night, a woman screaming for her life outside. I was scared to death, but I asked myself that very question (my sister came to mind at the time). When I went outside in spite of my fears, there was a woman with torn clothing with her rapist scared off by myself and two other guys who came outside to her defense. It was a very densely populated neighborhood and very dangerous late at night (my windows and door had bars on it), but ONLY 3 of us did anything. No one else even called the police! There is so much apathy around. There I go again, I am SOOOO verbose :)


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oh hai!

Dan,

I won't apologize for my comments but would like to provide some perspective why I made it so pointed. Transgender people suffer highly disproportionate rates of domestic violence, sexual assault and exploitation when compared with gender normative populations. Outing a member before they are truly ready(intentional or accidental) can have devastating effects on families, employment and housing. Our guards are up not because we are afraid of emotional vulnerability rather real issues of life and limb (in particular our sisters of color.) That said I am not calling for you to leave the site just understand why some of us may have a heightened sense of alert. It's survival instinct.

This is not to dissuade you from making comments, remarking on opinion posts(including offering opinions on member photos when solicited) or from making friends on the forum. Just be aware some of us will need a little more convincing and see consistency in your actions and other cisnormative ally's behaviours before installing trust. (No offence to significant others/family/proven allies meant)
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