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Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?

Started by Rena, January 29, 2014, 07:55:04 PM

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ErinM


Quote from: HenryHall on February 01, 2014, 10:36:56 AM
Toronto.
Land of Zucker and Blanchard.

I would never mover there until I'm post-op.

I haven't had any problems in Calgary. 99% of the time people haven't had a problem and are respectful. While we lag behind Ontario in legislation such as specify protections or being able to change your birth certificate without surgery, the official physiatrists that sign off on everything are really good. No gatekeeping, no BS, just helping you get what you need.
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MacG

I'm going to have to put a vote in for Portland, Oregon. Lots and lots of cool people, annnnnd its largest employer (OHSU) has specifically added trans-related care to its employee health insurance.

ClaudiaLove

Quote from: Catherine Sarah on January 29, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
Hi Rena,
In answer to your question, right where you live now. No better place. You know it like the back of your hand.

No! In all seriousness (if I can ever be  ;D) nowhere better than Australia. We even have a national railway. The Trans Australian Railway. It goes from Sydney to Perth.

No truly, we've lost the plot so much over here, if you say to someone you're Trans, they say, "Yeah mate, I've crossed the Nullabor too. So what!"

Huggs
Catherine

Australia sounds great , I always liked it .
I want to relocate , or to 'locate' as I never had a place just for me , so I try to find the best option
I always wanted to move in Brazil , from what I heard it is one of the most LGBTQI  friendly countries , I also like the latin people .
I even tried to learn Portuguese , and even I stopped it lately , I will resume my daily training .
But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.


I have the same concern with Columbia , Argentina  , Thailand , Philippines , as even that they are known for transsexual people , I don't know how easy it is to live there .
Canada would be a choice , but I guess it is a little cold there , I got to hate winters , the weather is really important to me .
Even in Europe , The UK and Ireland , The Netherlands , Belgium , Germany ,Denmark , Sweden are good countries to live in , but their weather , cold , cloudy and rainy affects my mood .

I would love to here some opinions from people  who live in Brazil or Australia , about facts , how easy would be to start a life there .


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Natkat

Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 02:11:38 PM
Australia sounds great , I always liked it .
I want to relocate , or to 'locate' as I never had a place just for me , so I try to find the best option
I always wanted to move in Brazil , from what I heard it is one of the most LGBTQI  friendly countries , I also like the latin people .
I even tried to learn Portuguese , and even I stopped it lately , I will resume my daily training .
But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.


I have the same concern with Columbia , Argentina  , Thailand , Philippines , as even that they are known for transsexual people , I don't know how easy it is to live there .
Canada would be a choice , but I guess it is a little cold there , I got to hate winters , the weather is really important to me .
Even in Europe , The UK and Ireland , The Netherlands , Belgium , Germany ,Denmark , Sweden are good countries to live in , but their weather , cold , cloudy and rainy affects my mood .

I would love to here some opinions from people  who live in Brazil or Australia , about facts , how easy would be to start a life there .
I'm not sure how to rate Brazil there neither the worst nor the best I guess I will say, I don't know if I could live there cause it seams so hot, but I want to go one day =)
Argentina is rated as one of the best country for transgender together with spain and German, these rates are based on the Laws in there country I do not know of the acceptance, well beside Berlin who is pretty wellknowed for the queer subculture thing.
Denmark is a bad country to live when you are transgender, Sweden is better, also since they got rid of the sterilization law.
I think you would fit in pretty well, everyone get infected by the Cold cloudy rainy weather. but Theres umbrella and sunset lamps to cure the depression LOL..
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to the question whats the best country I think I already gave some suggestions, however what the best country for transgender also depends on in which state you are and for diffrent fact.
are you binary? or nonbinary? or how far are you/ do you want to go in your transition.
Theres many kinds of countrys who can be accepting of "one certain kind of transgender" but unaccepting of another kind.

I still somehow think Berlin would be the ultimate place to be trans/queer, I have many queer friends who like to go there or moved there.










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ClaudiaLove

Quote from: Natkat on February 02, 2014, 04:37:16 PM
I'm not sure how to rate Brazil there neither the worst nor the best I guess I will say, I don't know if I could live there cause it seams so hot, but I want to go one day =)
Argentina is rated as one of the best country for transgender together with spain and German, these rates are based on the Laws in there country I do not know of the acceptance, well beside Berlin who is pretty wellknowed for the queer subculture thing.
Denmark is a bad country to live when you are transgender, Sweden is better, also since they got rid of the sterilization law.
I think you would fit in pretty well, everyone get infected by the Cold cloudy rainy weather. but Theres umbrella and sunset lamps to cure the depression LOL..
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to the question whats the best country I think I already gave some suggestions, however what the best country for transgender also depends on in which state you are and for diffrent fact.
are you binary? or nonbinary? or how far are you/ do you want to go in your transition.
Theres many kinds of countrys who can be accepting of "one certain kind of transgender" but unaccepting of another kind.

I still somehow think Berlin would be the ultimate place to be trans/queer, I have many queer friends who like to go there or moved there.

Hi , thanks for your answer ,

I 've been thru Germany only as part of my job , so although I did meet many people in different social situations , I couldn't say how I would be accepted as a trans .The opinion I was raised with and (maybe Influenced by it) I observe it myself is that the german people is a little 'cold' , not so friendly or open to new people , I don't know inside their families/groups but for sure they are reluctant in accepting new people . Especially if they would find out that I am east European  ;D
Basically most of the trans girls I know in my country went to Germany and they seem to do it ok, but also they work as escorts , so I don't know how a 'normal' life would be for trans.
In a way I am not concerned about laws , they don't mean so much for me right now . It won't make me happy having a girl Passport while people would still look weird at me . That would be the case in Romania , where no matter how the laws would change , the people just aren't capable of understanding  .

I don't know what to say about myself , I still have not doubts but concerns and worries . I definitely want to go fully thru transition , although SRS is optional , it doesn't bother me having a penis . I wrote some topics where I present some of my struggles , but anyway , no matter what , living as a 'man' is not an option for a happy life , neither is part time man/woman . For the moment I don't pass as a woman , but I started hrt and I am trying to improve myself at many levels , especially the style .I got ths idea that I might not be a female because my digit ration don't show that , so that my lack of style would be from not having a female brain , that messed me up , but I still feel a female inside and I just hope that the science is wrong .
Anyway ,  until I will get a place for me and live fully as a woman , it is difficult as I feel the pressure to act/speak /behave like a man . It is mixed with my looks who are masculine and my job (from which I quitted ), also a typical masculine one . Beside I am very very sensitive , so I get embarrassed vey easy .
I really need to go in some LGBT  clubs , to loosen a little , to start feeling comfortable about it . Basically I didn't come out but I don't have in front of whom anyway . I have no interest In discussing this with my parent , as I already know their opinion ,and I have no friends in my 'real' life .
I guess I could make my peace with Berlin , but knowing someone there or wherever I will be settling is very important , because on my own I don't think I could make it , it would be very embarrassing so probably I will just 'act' like a boy , and my life will still be unfulfilled .   

Thanks for your suggestions


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Hikari

Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 02:11:38 PM

But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.


Interestingly enough, I was at Pentagon City (A part of Arlington, VA, USA close to the Pentagon near Washington, DC) in the Apple Store, and by chance I talked with some rather wealthy Brazilians, and they told me they had come to the US to shop. This seemed bizarre to me, and they explained that the way tariffs worked it was cheaper for them to fly to the US, buy electronics and fly back, and pay a small fee to customs rather than buy it in Brazil. From the conversation I got the feeling that middle class and upper class people from Brazil were pretty progressive in their outlooks but, that for the poor things were quite bad. I also got the impression that owning Apple products was a status symbol for this couple, which  seems a bit strange to me (after all my iPhone was free from Verizon Wireless) but, that might just be a bit of cultural differences, not financial.
15 years on Susans, where has all the time gone?
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patstar

I recall hearing that San Diego was rather nice?  I'm also looking (to relocate) for a nice climate.
Well wishes to all. Patrice
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ana

QuoteToronto. Land of Zucker and Blanchard.
...and Ford...and CAMH

now I'm depressed.  :(   Time to move out west. :)

Actually its been great so far, but time will tell just how draconian the system is here. My Therapist works with CAMH and she is wonderfully supportive and encouraging actually. Blanchard put a black mark on Toronto, but on the bright side some of the institutions like Sherbourne Health Centre seem to fill the needs that might be missing in CAMH.
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.... Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."
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MadeleineG

Quote from: ana on February 02, 2014, 07:47:32 PM
...and Ford...and CAMH

now I'm depressed.  :(   Time to move out west. :)

Actually its been great so far, but time will tell just how draconian the system is here. My Therapist works with CAMH and she is wonderfully supportive and encouraging actually. Blanchard put a black mark on Toronto, but on the bright side some of the institutions like Sherbourne Health Centre seem to fill the needs that might be missing in CAMH.

Make sure to keep moving west when you pass through Saskatchewan. Complete wasteland service-wise.
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Anatta

KIa Ora,

Re: Where's the best place to live in the world if you're transgender?


::) Right here ! Right now!

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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GendrKweer

Maybe it's just that I'm here right now, but New Orleans is amazingly welcoming for queer/gay/lesbian/transgender people of all sorts. I adore it here more than I can say, which is why I always come back in the winter.... :D
Blessings,

D

Born: Aug 2, 2012, one of Dr Suporn's grrls.
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Anatta

Quote from: GendrKweer on February 03, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Maybe it's just that I'm here right now, but New Orleans is amazingly welcoming for queer/gay/lesbian/transgender people of all sorts. I adore it here more than I can say, which is why I always come back in the winter.... :D

Kia Ora GendrKweer,

::) If I had to leave paradise (the wonderful wacky tiny island in the pacific where I just so happen to find my self living) and had to move to the US, I would live in NO...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Natkat

Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 05:10:00 PM
Hi , thanks for your answer ,

I 've been thru Germany only as part of my job , so although I did meet many people in different social situations , I couldn't say how I would be accepted as a trans .The opinion I was raised with and (maybe Influenced by it) I observe it myself is that the german people is a little 'cold' , not so friendly or open to new people , I don't know inside their families/groups but for sure they are reluctant in accepting new people . Especially if they would find out that I am east European  ;D
Basically most of the trans girls I know in my country went to Germany and they seem to do it ok, but also they work as escorts , so I don't know how a 'normal' life would be for trans.
In a way I am not concerned about laws , they don't mean so much for me right now . It won't make me happy having a girl Passport while people would still look weird at me . That would be the case in Romania , where no matter how the laws would change , the people just aren't capable of understanding  .

I don't know what to say about myself , I still have not doubts but concerns and worries . I definitely want to go fully thru transition , although SRS is optional , it doesn't bother me having a penis . I wrote some topics where I present some of my struggles , but anyway , no matter what , living as a 'man' is not an option for a happy life , neither is part time man/woman . For the moment I don't pass as a woman , but I started hrt and I am trying to improve myself at many levels , especially the style .I got ths idea that I might not be a female because my digit ration don't show that , so that my lack of style would be from not having a female brain , that messed me up , but I still feel a female inside and I just hope that the science is wrong .
Anyway ,  until I will get a place for me and live fully as a woman , it is difficult as I feel the pressure to act/speak /behave like a man . It is mixed with my looks who are masculine and my job (from which I quitted ), also a typical masculine one . Beside I am very very sensitive , so I get embarrassed vey easy .
I really need to go in some LGBT  clubs , to loosen a little , to start feeling comfortable about it . Basically I didn't come out but I don't have in front of whom anyway . I have no interest In discussing this with my parent , as I already know their opinion ,and I have no friends in my 'real' life .
I guess I could make my peace with Berlin , but knowing someone there or wherever I will be settling is very important , because on my own I don't think I could make it , it would be very embarrassing so probably I will just 'act' like a boy , and my life will still be unfulfilled .   

Thanks for your suggestions
Yeah I understand. I also think it best going somewhere for a period before deciding whenever you want to live there or not, as you mention one thing is the law which by the statestic decide whenever it's a good or a bad country to be trans, But peoples opinions and the way the law are put into action gives a more clear idea how suportive it is. I think it a good idea to have a friend where you want to go, I would also prefern that for sure. 
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I been to Germany twice so far but unfurtunatly I haven't got to see so much =( . I guess many country can have a pretty cold attitude, special if you are from romania unfurtunatly :-\ but I bet it's also a cultural thing. I can't speak for sure on the germans cause I only have a few german friends and been a few places, but I guess there abit like the scandinavian who also has the rumour to be alittle cold in the attitude somethimes.
it's not that they really are cold or unfriendly, but you have to be in some kind of friendzone for them to feel safe, and they won't consider you there very best friend from the first time they meet you, you generally need to give them time.
They dont use big words or fellings about themself and theyre not likely to do it around others unless they know the person very well and really mean it. if you are too friendly too quick you can easy creep them out and make them feel unconfortable.
I don't know about of the culture in Romania but I know a couple of people having problems with this, there from country where people are having a more dirrect and warm spirit.










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Natkat

Quote from: Claudia_FF on February 02, 2014, 02:11:38 PM
But I wonder how is it financially in Brazil , I mean for the average person , because I grew in a poor country and I know it is very difficult for the most of the people , being transsexual is even harder.
I could figure out, i'm currently doing some Danish/brazil exchange on the information of transgender rights and such. =) He have told me many things before but I easly forget.
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patstar

Quote from: ana on February 02, 2014, 07:47:32 PM

"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.... Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."


Oh Amen, Ana, Amen!  Don't live anyone's vision but your own!
Well wishes to all. Patrice
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ana

QuotePatrice wrote:
Oh Amen, Ana, Amen!  Don't live anyone's vision but your own!

Thank you Patrice, it really doesn't matter where you live, its the best place to be, so long as you can live by those words.  :)
"Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life.... Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."
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ClaudiaLove

Quote from: Hikari on February 02, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
I also got the impression that owning Apple products was a status symbol for this couple, which  seems a bit strange to me (after all my iPhone was free from Verizon Wireless) but, that might just be a bit of cultural differences, not financial.

Maybe it is like in Romania , where most of the rich people are not that rich , just showing off whatever they have , trying to be bling. For example cars , they are more 'luxury' cars in Romania than in most of the Europe I think , but excepting the ones of the billionaires , the rest are either second hand from western Europe or even stolen .
Also in Romania , although they are not as rare as before , the best smartphones or tablets are still something many people are  proud with , not just regular tools  :)


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K Style Addiction

I live in San Francisco, things have been good here i would highly recommend but with a warning, this is a VERY expensive city.
All I can say is that my life is pretty plain, I like watchin' the puddles gather rain.

Despite all my rage, I'm still just a rat in a cage
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Cindy

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