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My mom keeps saying she doesn't want to live

Started by Katelyn, February 06, 2014, 07:33:06 PM

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Katelyn

My mom has had an unlucky life.  She's been dealing with depression for 25 years, and she along with my sister have been supported by my dad for 20 years since she divorced (my dad left us and just gave us financial support to compensate for him not being a part of the family, and went off to chase his dreams of being rich.   BTW the financial support was only barely enough, inadequate to pay for things like health insurance)  My dad's wealthy, but there are times that he's complaining that my mom and sister aren't working, and makes it sound like he doesn't want to support her.  My mom is an immigrant and doesn't even have a high school diploma.  She's tried to get her high school diploma, but she always received inadequate help.  She's tried to learn dental assisting, but went to a place that teached her inadequately, and she felt intimidated because she always thought that they would never employ someone her age and because she didn't go to a good school (that was in the late 90's), and later on she wanted to be a home health aid when she moved to Tucson 5 years ago, she found out they required her to have a high school diploma, which she couldn't get (and I couldn't help her because I couldn't stand Tucson and had very bad anxiety issues.)  We had to move to Tucson because of the bad economy. She's now 62 and just about the worst possible place one could be in American society in terms of employability.  It seems nowadays like you don't get a job, you win a job (but of course, there are many losers for every winner.)

I've been wanting to move out and now my sister, who's going to the university, wants to move out as well.  We moved to California from Arizona, but apparently where she was living before (Tucson) had much better help for depressed people than in California.  She now has no help in paying for her medications, and its hard just to even see a doctor if your between having a very low income and having insurance.

She's extremely disappointed and frustrated with her life, and keeps on telling me that she doesn't want to live, why do I want her to live (I've tried to discourage her as much as I can from suicide), and she hates her life.  She has said for perhaps the past 10 years that she's only living because of me and my sister (which has always hindered me in trying to transition in case she became extremely disappointed with me.)  Her depression involves her being bombarded often with suicidal thoughts. She let her antidepressants run out a month ago and I was scared that she would commit suicide (after my sister said something to make my mom feel unloved).  She happened to have one refill left and we got a costco to get her the medication.  But she's having difficulty getting it back without having to pay a lot of money for a doctor.  And then will they give her more than one month's supply of meds?   My mom was a complete wreck before she got on the medication, and without the medication she can't function.  She was on antidepressants and got out of them for a few years more than 4 years ago, but the bad economy hit and my dad was putting a lot of pressure on us to get jobs as well as not wanting to give us anymore money eventually (due to his income going way down) and it was complete hell back in 2009.  My mom ended up calling a suicide hotline in Tucson and they gave her help there.  They had a lot of resources to help her there, and got her on antidepressants again.  But since the economy improved in 2012 and we moved back to California (so my sister could go to the university again), and we made the big mistake to think that there would be resources in California, with people with a heart, but we haven't found any in Northern California. 

My sister's making my mom feel unloved (as well as threatening her only means of financial support) and I feel trapped in this situation of having to keep my mom alive and being worried that she'll want to end it all.  She feels worthless many times and that noone wants her.  She actually has a good amount of work ethic, but society nowadays is very cruel to the unemployed and especially the long term unemployed and she doesn't have much to put on a resume (being a stay at home mom for a long time.)  I have my own issues and problems to deal with (being transgender who hasn't transitioned yet, as well as trying to concentrate on my work) and I'm feeling very overwhelmed and stressed that I may lose my mom because I don't make enough money to help her and noone else in this world has a heart to help her.  This is also overwhelming me emotionally, and I feel frustrated in being unable to help her that much.

I have to admit that at times I feel so overwhelmed that I feel like just letting her to potentially commit suicide, which scares me and makes me extremely disappointed myself at life and at a cold, heartless society.  Is society so savage that it basically encourages people to take their life if they happened to get into very bad circumstances?
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Jessica Merriman

I am so sorry for the situation you are in and I know it ways heavy on you. What I am going to say is not meant to be heartless in any way, so please don't take it that way, OK?

Your mother is an adult and being one she should be taking care of herself and not expect anyone to do it for her. People make choices in this life and sometimes you do get the short end of the stick. However, she needs to step up and take her own life under control and not drag you down with her. As a former Paramedic I have seen people actually step up to their responsibilities when the get out of the mindset of "take care of me or I will die". Just as parents have to let their children go off on their own you may have to do this with her. If she makes a bad choice when that happens it IS NOT your fault. She needs to wake up and realize she is ruining your future as well as hers. She is adult, yes with issue's, but she needs to let you live your life with all the happiness and joy you can. Any parent should want this. She had her life, you need yours. I know how harsh this sounds and I am not in a position to judge the situation adequately, just to provide advice from my many years of dealing with all types of people. I wish you the best and hope you live at peace with any decision you make. You are not at fault for anything she does. :)
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Chaos

I can't personally speak on everything your dealing with but you should look into SSI disability for your mother.its a semi long process but it gives govt health insurance for meds and an income.they will make exceptions if someone hasn't worked for a long length of time.if its due to depression and anxiety and mental issues.this was semi the case for me.so please look into having your mother apply and go to all appointments/testing they give you,as well as explain that she MUST have mental health care.you may be suprised.SSI is the one I mean,ss is for those who have worked but can't for whatever reasons.good luck
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Anatta

Quote from: Katelyn on February 06, 2014, 07:33:06 PM
My mom has had an unlucky life.  She's been dealing with depression for 25 years, and she along with my sister have been supported by my dad for 20 years since she divorced (my dad left us and just gave us financial support to compensate for him not being a part of the family, and went off to chase his dreams of being rich.   BTW the financial support was only barely enough, inadequate to pay for things like health insurance)  My dad's wealthy, but there are times that he's complaining that my mom and sister aren't working, and makes it sound like he doesn't want to support her.  My mom is an immigrant and doesn't even have a high school diploma.  She's tried to get her high school diploma, but she always received inadequate help.  She's tried to learn dental assisting, but went to a place that teached her inadequately, and she felt intimidated because she always thought that they would never employ someone her age and because she didn't go to a good school (that was in the late 90's), and later on she wanted to be a home health aid when she moved to Tucson 5 years ago, she found out they required her to have a high school diploma, which she couldn't get (and I couldn't help her because I couldn't stand Tucson and had very bad anxiety issues.)  We had to move to Tucson because of the bad economy. She's now 62 and just about the worst possible place one could be in American society in terms of employability.  It seems nowadays like you don't get a job, you win a job (but of course, there are many losers for every winner.)

I've been wanting to move out and now my sister, who's going to the university, wants to move out as well.  We moved to California from Arizona, but apparently where she was living before (Tucson) had much better help for depressed people than in California.  She now has no help in paying for her medications, and its hard just to even see a doctor if your between having a very low income and having insurance.

She's extremely disappointed and frustrated with her life, and keeps on telling me that she doesn't want to live, why do I want her to live (I've tried to discourage her as much as I can from suicide), and she hates her life.  She has said for perhaps the past 10 years that she's only living because of me and my sister (which has always hindered me in trying to transition in case she became extremely disappointed with me.)  Her depression involves her being bombarded often with suicidal thoughts. She let her antidepressants run out a month ago and I was scared that she would commit suicide (after my sister said something to make my mom feel unloved).  She happened to have one refill left and we got a costco to get her the medication.  But she's having difficulty getting it back without having to pay a lot of money for a doctor.  And then will they give her more than one month's supply of meds?   My mom was a complete wreck before she got on the medication, and without the medication she can't function.  She was on antidepressants and got out of them for a few years more than 4 years ago, but the bad economy hit and my dad was putting a lot of pressure on us to get jobs as well as not wanting to give us anymore money eventually (due to his income going way down) and it was complete hell back in 2009.  My mom ended up calling a suicide hotline in Tucson and they gave her help there.  They had a lot of resources to help her there, and got her on antidepressants again.  But since the economy improved in 2012 and we moved back to California (so my sister could go to the university again), and we made the big mistake to think that there would be resources in California, with people with a heart, but we haven't found any in Northern California. 

My sister's making my mom feel unloved (as well as threatening her only means of financial support) and I feel trapped in this situation of having to keep my mom alive and being worried that she'll want to end it all.  She feels worthless many times and that noone wants her.  She actually has a good amount of work ethic, but society nowadays is very cruel to the unemployed and especially the long term unemployed and she doesn't have much to put on a resume (being a stay at home mom for a long time.)  I have my own issues and problems to deal with (being transgender who hasn't transitioned yet, as well as trying to concentrate on my work) and I'm feeling very overwhelmed and stressed that I may lose my mom because I don't make enough money to help her and noone else in this world has a heart to help her.  This is also overwhelming me emotionally, and I feel frustrated in being unable to help her that much.

I have to admit that at times I feel so overwhelmed that I feel like just letting her to potentially commit suicide, which scares me and makes me extremely disappointed myself at life and at a cold, heartless society.  Is society so savage that it basically encourages people to take their life if they happened to get into very bad circumstances?

Kia Ora Katelyn,

If your mum is still suicidal, I would suggest "you" contact the suicide hotline and have a talk with them, explain the situation, it will also be good for you to share the burden, it will relieve the mental strain you're presently experiencing...

It's possible they will also be able to provide you with access to any assistance available in your area...For example financial counsellors, their services are normally free, they can be of great help when dealing with creditors, or help your mum with budgeting...Financial stress often feeds suicidal thoughts...



Metta Zenda :)
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Katelyn

Quote from: Jessica Merriman on February 06, 2014, 10:45:44 PM
I am so sorry for the situation you are in and I know it ways heavy on you. What I am going to say is not meant to be heartless in any way, so please don't take it that way, OK?

Your mother is an adult and being one she should be taking care of herself and not expect anyone to do it for her. People make choices in this life and sometimes you do get the short end of the stick. However, she needs to step up and take her own life under control and not drag you down with her. As a former Paramedic I have seen people actually step up to their responsibilities when the get out of the mindset of "take care of me or I will die". Just as parents have to let their children go off on their own you may have to do this with her. If she makes a bad choice when that happens it IS NOT your fault. She needs to wake up and realize she is ruining your future as well as hers. She is adult, yes with issue's, but she needs to let you live your life with all the happiness and joy you can. Any parent should want this. She had her life, you need yours. I know how harsh this sounds and I am not in a position to judge the situation adequately, just to provide advice from my many years of dealing with all types of people. I wish you the best and hope you live at peace with any decision you make. You are not at fault for anything she does. :)

I'm not a cold hearted person and my mom gave herself up for me and my sister.  There's not enough jobs for everyone and I've seen so many stories of people who have taken forever to find a job.

She exactly says that, she thinks she's hurting me and my sister, but the solution that comes to her is to kill herself, because that's what her depression tells her.  It's not about fault, losing my mom would really damage me and fill me with regret for years.  She doesn't deserve this as well, she's a good person and has been helping and putting me and my sister ahead of herself for 20 years since the divorce, and more than 30 years for me.  Wouldn't you think that this would be devastating for me if my mom came to such a harsh end?

I was friends with a woman years ago that I found out to be homeless, who went through extremely bad luck, including losing an ability to find work in her field and having to do sex work to survive, coupled with not getting any help from heartless friends and family (she's also lesbian.)  I tried helping her but her situation was so tangled and hard to deal with and it eventually overwhelmed me and I eventually followed the advice of others to "dump" her and let her go, even if it meant her killing herself (at the time a crisis just hit me and I couldn't deal with so many things) but after I regretted it badly (fearing that she took her own life) and it took me years to get over it.  I still wish I could have helped her, and fear that she did indeed take her life.  And this is a woman that I was friends with, I can't imagine my own mom.  I'm not a selfish person that can just ignore someone else's peril, especially if they are so close to me.

Yes you may not be responsible, but the consequences are too much to deal with and that you actually indeed do have the power to change the future and I feel like I have an obligation to do something to avert an even worse future (not just my mom dying but also regret for decades that I could have done something to save her, If, years ago, I would have just gotten a corporate job and put aside my trans issues I could have made enough money to help her.)
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Katelyn

Quote from: Anatta on February 06, 2014, 11:23:22 PM

It's possible they will also be able to provide you with access to any assistance available in your area...For example financial counsellors, their services are normally free, they can be of great help when dealing with creditors, or help your mum with budgeting...Financial stress often feeds suicidal thoughts...



Metta Zenda :)

How is budgeting relevant if she can't even get a job in the first place because she's 62, without even a high school diploma, long term unemployed, without a significant resume, and in competition with a lot of younger and more charismatic people?  There are still 3 applicants for every job, and the unemployment rate is much higher for people without a high school diploma.  Add to this that she has memory problems (perhaps due to her chronic depression) and her inability to get good sleep due to her restless leg issues (a lack of sleep leads to impaired brain performance.)

In fact, I feel like I've failed my mom because I didn't help her to get the high school diploma.  I feel so stupid for not realizing how much danger she would be in the future for not getting the relevant achievements done.
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Anatta

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Kia Ora Katelyn,

I don't know if they operate differently in the US, but here in NZ Budget advisors tend to go the extra mile when it comes to assisting clients, as a budget advisor we are in contact with other support agencies, social services etc as well as helping your mum with tips on using what money she does have wisely...Don't forget about the "food banks" in your area...

Remember Katelyn, what's done is done and one can't go back and undo it, so don't beat yourself up, that's not going to solve anything...Think about what you can do "now" regarding the present situation...

Judging by your posts, you are really hurting and finding it hard to cope... You really need to help yourself first, before you can be of any real benefit to your mother, perhaps by seeing/speaking with a counsellor or if not a counsellor, a close friend or relative, aunt, uncle, cousin etc...

http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/


Katelyn...I'm afraid there's no quick fix to the situation - Patience is a virtue in cases like this ....

Metta Zenda :)


"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Hikari

I wish I had real advice to give. My mom attempted suicide several times when I was younger, and then "self medicated" her depression with alcohol, oxy, and quite a few other things. She was depressed for sure, but I don't think she really wanted to die, I really think she wanted someone to swoop in and save her from her own life. After her sister (my Aunt) decided to take a fatal overdose (no one knows if it was intentional or not) it seems like my mom gave up trying to kill herself, but has from then on wallowed in misery, depression, and substance abuse. Outside of something as powerful like losing someone you love, I am not sure exactly what is powerful enough to turn someone around.

Last I heard, she lived on disability in a small rural town near WV, she had attempted to get a job at a Wendy's there but flipped out and attacked fellow workers and following her doctors advice they put her on disability (and a great deal of medication). Truth is, I know she had liver problems from all the alcohol and stuff, and I know she would love me and even accept my transition, but I cut her out of my life. I applaud the OP for being strong enough to want to help, I just started resenting her for trying to kill herself (among other things like abandoning her kids me included) when I was a child, and by the time I was an adult that resentment turned into hatred and contempt. I haven't talked with her in nearly 4 years, I just quietly changed my number and was done with it. That might be the easiest thing to do, but it isn't the right thing to do.

I wish the best of luck to the OP, you are stronger than I could ever be for reaching out to try and help your mother.
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