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does anybody know the effects when estrogen is not for you

Started by stephaniec, February 14, 2014, 10:45:59 AM

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stephaniec

I see the posts that say estrogen is a diagnostic tool to determine if HRT is right for you. In my own case It's basically gave me a future when my life was coming to an end. Just curious if any body knows of the opposite effect They say you'll know relatively fast because it goes straight to the brain. What happens when it's not a solution. Does it just have no effect what so ever or does your depression get horribly worse . There must be an observable effect if it described as a diagnostic tool.
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Joanna Dark

I don't believe it is a diagnostic tool. People just say that because if someone does not want to be a woman, then any feminizing changes are likely to be horrifying. When I started growing facial hair at 19, I would rip them out with my fingers. But then I told myself, and believed, that being trans or intersex or whatever, was a direct result of my body's inability to virilize to an acceptable extant. To any extant. I never evn had an erection til I was 16, so I lied all the time about mastubation when really I had no idea how or why it happened.

That's a major tangent. The point I'm trying to make is that changes on E are often times slow. I have no idea how fast it reaches the brain and actually don't see how that has any effect on anything since it is hormones and a chemical messenger that awakens (or excites) receptors in the body. Hormone is from the Greek and means "to excite or turn on." Over the long term, I imagine it is quite devasting as can be seen by numerous people forced to undergo hormone therapy against their will. I know one person said to me one time if he really wanted to get back at someone he woul dstart feeding them hormones and then cut off their penis and construct a vagina. Might sound good to you, but to a cis male I don't they think anything is worse.

But any effects won't be noticed for months, excpet for skin which changes quickly. I believe the calming aspect of it is just a placebo effect from finally "doing something"
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ZoeM

Quote from: Joanna Dark on February 14, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
I don't believe it is a diagnostic tool. People just say that because if someone does not want to be a woman, then any feminizing changes are likely to be horrifying. When I started growing facial hair at 19, I would rip them out with my fingers. But then I told myself, and believed, that being trans or intersex or whatever, was a direct result of my body's inability to virilize to an acceptable extant. To any extant. I never evn had an erection til I was 16, so I lied all the time about mastubation when really I had no idea how or why it happened.

That's a major tangent. The point I'm trying to make is that changes on E are often times slow. I have no idea how fast it reaches the brain and actually don't see how that has any effect on anything since it is hormones and a chemical messenger that awakens (or excites) receptors in the body. Hormone is from the Greek and means "to excite or turn on." Over the long term, I imagine it is quite devasting as can be seen by numerous people forced to undergo hormone therapy against their will. I know one person said to me one time if he really wanted to get back at someone he woul dstart feeding them hormones and then cut off their penis and construct a vagina. Might sound good to you, but to a cis male I don't they think anything is worse.

But any effects won't be noticed for months, excpet for skin which changes quickly. I believe the calming aspect of it is just a placebo effect from finally "doing something"
They made a movie about forced transition, right ?
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Joanna Dark

Quote from: ZoeM on February 14, 2014, 12:16:06 PM
They made a movie about forced transition, right ?

Did they? I'd watch it. I mean I'm surprised you never really hear about anything like forced feminization actually happening as a revenge tactic or strategy. I mean it wouldn't be that hard, no pun intended lol
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Jenna Marie

Well, there's the David Reimer case - Dr. John Money recommended he be reassigned as a girl after a botched circumcision, and his parents figured the doctor knew best. He reported horrible, worsening depression after they put him on E to simulate female puberty, and he eventually INSISTED on being allowed to revert to being male. (Unfortunately, and tragically, he also eventually committed suicide after a lifetime of battling gender issues caused by that decision when he was a baby.)
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stephaniec

yea, I read about that case, it might of been on this forum at some time can't remember. I think they do use that as an example though.
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April Lee

My therapist has spent considerable time on this. She is aware that I have a lot of stress elsewhere in my life from work and finances right now. That is all indeed true, but my dysphoria has made all that much worse. Still, she wanted to see what was driving my present discomfort with life. She had me, in the weeks before HRT, start keeping a daily journal where several times a day I record my mental and emotional state. This now continues with the beginning of HRT. She is comparing my thoughts and feelings as I progress, and comparing them to before. In the first 5 days, what I have noticed is considerably more calmness, and I can handle the stresses of my work much better. Whether that is a placebo effect, I don' know, but I do seem to be functioning a lot better.

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Mary81

Quote from: ZoeM on February 14, 2014, 12:16:06 PM
They made a movie about forced transition, right ?

The Skin I Live In is about forced MtF transition. 
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Hikari

I think it is great that some people feel clarity on HRT.

But, I do have my doubts that it is a diagnostic tool of any use. I was absolutely confident of my gender identity before taking HRT, and I mean, there is no doubt I feel different on HRT, I daresay more "right" but clearly it wasn't like some divine revelation of certainty. So, I am just as certain now, as I was before HRT.  To me, HRT changes my way of thinking and feeling but not in such a way that is earth shattering, but when I see the changes in my body, and when I feel how my skin has changed certainly it is all getting more bearable and less dysphoric. To me that isn't some silver bullet of clarity but merely a small validation of things I already thought true.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Mary81 on February 14, 2014, 01:31:54 PM
The Skin I Live In is about forced MtF transition.
I just read the plot of that movie. That's one crazy movie
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Suziack

"Re: does anybody know the effects when estrogen is not for you
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2014, 04:43:26 pm »

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I think it is great that some people feel clarity on HRT...."

I've read something like this, more than a few times. But what, exactly, is 'clarity.'
If you torture the truth long enough, it'll confess to anything.
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MadeleineG

Quote from: Mary81 on February 14, 2014, 01:31:54 PM
The Skin I Live In is about forced MtF transition.

It's a terrible movie and horribly unrealistic. :(
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