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does trying to avoid applyig the term transgender to ones self cause problems

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vlmitchell

Oh. My. God.

People, really, seriously and honestly...

I'm gonna put this right out there. Who **CARES** what you call yourself?! If your social presentation is female then you're female. If yours is male, it's male. If it's neither, it's neither. If it's both, it's both.

Putting so much thought and energy into 'what do I call myself' is something that a LOT of us do early on. Truth is, after a while, IT DOESN'T MATTER!!! No one cares what you call yourself. Really. You're the 'T' under the LGBTQAI umbrella but the word that you use to define yourself is what it is.

Congratulations to everyone who was able to overlook the social conditioning and really figure out who and what you are but really, get on with living life and stop navel-gazing. I'm glad that you've started down this wonderful path of trying to get all up and done with self-acceptance but, really, I'ma gonna tell you a secret:

The whole point to transition is to live a life. You'll figure yourself out while you're living it but, really, all the arm-chair philosophizing in the world cannot and will not help you with this kinda thing without getting out there, doing your thing, and discovering the answers in the ways that you move in and out of social situations, career and life goals, and all those wonderful unexpected experiences that life throws your way.

It is *not*, really, about trying to figure it all out before you start walking in your own shoes.

Love,
Me.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on March 06, 2014, 06:23:36 PM
Oh. My. God.

People, really, seriously and honestly...

I'm gonna put this right out there. Who **CARES** what you call yourself?! If your social presentation is female then you're female. If yours is male, it's male. If it's neither, it's neither. If it's both, it's both.

Putting so much thought and energy into 'what do I call myself' is something that a LOT of us do early on. Truth is, after a while, IT DOESN'T MATTER!!! No one cares what you call yourself. Really. You're the 'T' under the LGBTQAI umbrella but the word that you use to define yourself is what it is.

Congratulations to everyone who was able to overlook the social conditioning and really figure out who and what you are but really, get on with living life and stop navel-gazing. I'm glad that you've started down this wonderful path of trying to get all up and done with self-acceptance but, really, I'ma gonna tell you a secret:

The whole point to transition is to live a life. You'll figure yourself out while you're living it but, really, all the arm-chair philosophizing in the world cannot and will not help you with this kinda thing without getting out there, doing your thing, and discovering the answers in the ways that you move in and out of social situations, career and life goals, and all those wonderful unexpected experiences that life throws your way.

It is *not*, really, about trying to figure it all out before you start walking in your own shoes.

Love,
Me.
Victoria you new picture looks very nice
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: stephaniec on March 06, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
Victoria you new picture looks very nice

I was going to say the same thing, then decided it would be taking your thread off topic.  Since you did first, I'll second this :P
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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vlmitchell

Thanks, folks. It's straight out of the stylist so I was kinda cheating there.  ;D
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anjaq

I would not be so eager to put new acronyms in there but I think if the old ones plainly do not describe things well enough, why not. May be pointless, I dont know, but I think that language is majorlky important to human beings, humans are cultural beings and language is a transporter of culture. If the culture still holds the mythology of us being "men who became women" or "men who had a sex change" or even "women who have been men before" (thats already a big leap right there) and this is transported in the language, including the names the culture gives to people like some of us here - "trans-gender" (someone who has changed social role) I feel it is inadequate. Yes I know, this was used as an umbrella term and I was there when that whole discussion was still burning if that is a good idea back in the 1990ies - I changed my mind. It is the least common denominator and for some it is not even that (like Shantel here for example or others who actually did not change social role completely but still have changed their bodies considerably). But it in imprecise. In Germany they invented a new word a while ago - it means poorly translated "trans-identity" or something like that. The idea was that it is not about sex (as in intimate acts) but about how people identify. It was a stupid move as taken literally it means that people change their identity. Which usually they dont because they identified as the same gender before and after a transition.

So I guess it is situational - if I have the luxury of being precise, I will try to be that and describe myself as a woman who had a birth defect - consisting of a missing X gonosome resulting in the growth of gonads that did not match my brain and as a result of that a body that was misshaped by testosterone as well as a gender misassignment at birth - or something along that line. The important thing is that I am a woman in the brain and that this is who I am, not my gonads. So I am a "brain-woman" then who suffered greatly from not having the body to match the brain.
If I dont have that luxury, I do as of yet not see a good way to avoid the imprecise and partially false shortcuts of using "transsexual" or "transgendered" even though I usually immediately notice that people switch in their minds from treating me just as a woman with some odd birth defect or hormonal imbalance or whatever they think of me before into something like a "third gender" - getting a special treatment. This, I try to avoid.

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Ruthven

Quote from: anjaq on March 06, 2014, 05:38:16 PM
What does it mean to be born as a woman or be a biological woman - what is the thing that defines gender. To me it is the brain and in that sense I am a biological female and was born a birl but I had the wrong gonads and thus my whole body developed in the wrong way. I dont like to fixate gender on the genitals at birth - obviously this is wrong - or at the chromosomes - even worse ... so If someone asks me if I was born a man, male or as a boy - I will say no as this is how I have come to see it. And it is not a lie.

This is how i see it too! But the reverse for me cause I'm a guy.  :)
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stephaniec

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on March 06, 2014, 10:08:51 PM
Thanks, folks. It's straight out of the stylist so I was kinda cheating there.  ;D
not to beleaguer the fact, but it does make you look great.
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stephaniec

Quote from: anjaq on March 07, 2014, 02:32:39 AM
I would not be so eager to put new acronyms in there but I think if the old ones plainly do not describe things well enough, why not. May be pointless, I dont know, but I think that language is majorlky important to human beings, humans are cultural beings and language is a transporter of culture. If the culture still holds the mythology of us being "men who became women" or "men who had a sex change" or even "women who have been men before" (thats already a big leap right there) and this is transported in the language, including the names the culture gives to people like some of us here - "trans-gender" (someone who has changed social role) I feel it is inadequate. Yes I know, this was used as an umbrella term and I was there when that whole discussion was still burning if that is a good idea back in the 1990ies - I changed my mind. It is the least common denominator and for some it is not even that (like Shantel here for example or others who actually did not change social role completely but still have changed their bodies considerably). But it in imprecise. In Germany they invented a new word a while ago - it means poorly translated "trans-identity" or something like that. The idea was that it is not about sex (as in intimate acts) but about how people identify. It was a stupid move as taken literally it means that people change their identity. Which usually they dont because they identified as the same gender before and after a transition.

So I guess it is situational - if I have the luxury of being precise, I will try to be that and describe myself as a woman who had a birth defect - consisting of a missing X gonosome resulting in the growth of gonads that did not match my brain and as a result of that a body that was misshaped by testosterone as well as a gender misassignment at birth - or something along that line. The important thing is that I am a woman in the brain and that this is who I am, not my gonads. So I am a "brain-woman" then who suffered greatly from not having the body to match the brain.
If I dont have that luxury, I do as of yet not see a good way to avoid the imprecise and partially false shortcuts of using "transsexual" or "transgendered" even though I usually immediately notice that people switch in their minds from treating me just as a woman with some odd birth defect or hormonal imbalance or whatever they think of me before into something like a "third gender" - getting a special treatment. This, I try to avoid.
It does seem that people use the term transgender to relate to a third gender. I guess that's  the problem with people wanting to use the word to refer to them selves.  Just to be able to describe your self in a way that encompasses past and present without dragging along all the misconceptions would be beneficial so you can discuss your life in a neutral way without bringing in the concept of the third gender. People say their anorexic and the conversation can proceed without going into another area of discussion. You say you had a medical condition when you were born  called BSBDS conversation complete move on. Being a medical term people put it in a different category mentally then trans = jerry springer.
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anjaq

Well I think it just is a difference if one is identified or identifies oneself with such a term or if one uses it as an adjective. Like lets say "I AM transgender" is different from "I had/suffered from transsexuality/bsBDS/being born in the wrong body". I know people will say "I am an alcoholic" or "I am disabled" or "I am deaf" - but in reality they do not identify themselves by it, it is a part of them, an adjective, a property. But "I am transgenderd" for some reason means that really this is your identity - as it is about gender and sex and those are fundamental for every persons identity much more than the ability to hear or drink alcohol.
So your weirdness then is not about some property you have, which usually is quite accepted, but it is about who you are deep inside in the heart of your identity and personality and this freaks people out. So if I can, I try to reshape my words ina way that make this whole trans-whatever issue a property of myself while I myself remain a woman. So my core identity and personality and soul is female but I happen to have as a property a condition that made me look male for a while. I try to not let others transport this PROPERTY into my IDENTITY as they see me...

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Aina

I say to myself everyday - I am transgender and that is ok.

Honestly, I have never wanted to be "normal" there is no normal anyway. I can't see anyone who wishes to have conflicting gender issues either.

However everyone has degrees of differences and beliefs so being normal is a state of mind. What I think we need to strive for is that being trans is natural and that is ok so maybe we don't have to hide the fact that we were once male, or female or enjoy going back and forth. That "humans" are just like that.

I've hid the fact that I am transgender from myself and everyone and still hide it from people I know in RL. If and when I come out and transition I don't see why I would want to hide/avoid/lie about the fact that I am trans. It seems to me like I'd be doing the same thing I have been for the last 20+ years - running from myself...

On the other hand, I grew up being teased all the time about being short and skin ect ect. So I understand why you wouldn't want to regard yourself as trans and thus open yourself up to hatred/teasing ect
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anjaq

Aina, why do you want to transition, what is your goal there. I mean you are driven towards that but what is at the core of that wish - is it that you want to be accepted fully as a female in society and/or have a female body? Or is it that you want to be a special person who is trans and seen as such - a third gender? The stupid thing is, that you probably cannot have both, cause people will see you as one OR the other. They may say "I accept you to be a woman" or something like that but depp down they often don't. Thats sad but I heard it many times. One will notice in conversations then when they make an invisible border talking about "us" (meaning ciswomen) and "you". If pointed towards that they just did this, they will find excuses like that you cannot have babies, dont have a period or cannot experience some of the other things that most women experience and are familiar with and thus are different. But thats flawed because they would not draw this line if there was a woman who had her ovaries removed present. In the worst case they will even tell you that you cannot know this or that because you have not grown up as a girl or because your body is male. Personally I hate this invisible line that is overplayed with "but I DO accept you AS as woman" (already implying that you ARE not, but that you are just something that is LIKE a woman). Mabye it it stupid and will drive me crazy to notice such things and I should just turn off these sensors and just go by the words and be happy, but I doubt I cannot do that.

There is nothing wrong with being "transgender" or "transsexual", my past is my past, I had male gonads and they distored my body but I dont have to tell this to everyone, it kind of defies my own process of healing which requires to not be regarded as "trans" but primarily as a woman who had some issues with her body in childhood and youth. So technically I am within the definition of "transgender" the way it is used on this webiste - when it comes to medical definitions I was (or am? or is it not more of a process than a status?) "transsexual" - but I do not really want to apply that term to me in everyday life. I use these terms for convenience when writing here or talking to doctors.

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930310

That's good to hear Aina. You should never try to escape your past. Even how much you want to do so, it's still a part of you.
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GorJess

I only use transsexual as an indicator of the medical condition I have. Hoping not to be too redundant here, but to be more specific, I view this simply as a curable birth defect; or what I call a transsexual medical condition. In other words, I am a young woman with a transsexual birth defect. With SRS, that itself is the cure to this particular problem in my life, and like Anja says, my past will be my past, in this particular case, I do not want it to, nor should it, impact my present or my future. I only would want woman, young woman (given my age), or female applied to me at that time. I wish merely to blend in as simply another woman in society, with the number of people knowing my medical history at that point less than the number of fingers on my hands I use to type this message; likely my future husband, and, certainly assuredly, any family that knew me prior to transition. Those are the only ones. I wish not to stick out, I merely wish to go on with life, as a normal woman, as I have been doing, and moreso, given SRS, in hopefully my very near future.

I do not use terms like "transwoman", or "transgender", or the like (cannot think of others offhand), to describe myself.  By the site TOS, I cannot mind if others to do so to me. So be it, that is certainly within the jurisdiction of the forum, and, namely, and in particular, its administrators; I respect their decision to have such policy, policies in place, regarding this matter, for whatever reason. But I still have that individual freedom to disavow myself of such terms, on a personal level. That cannot be taken away from me. In the majority of cases, though not all, I do not mind what you call yourself. Typically, as long as it remains within the norms of humanity, it will likely be okay by me. Last I checked, nobody in here is psychofrogily inverted. 

I do not accept these terms, because: transwoman, to me, means transgender woman. I take issue with the term transgender for similar reasons: my gender has always been female, that is not what I am fixing. Rather, it is my sex, which I my own purposes only, as what is between my legs. Disagree? Well, that's fine, as long as we can respect each other's differences as to each our own opinion, belief, or so on. Just how I judge the determinant of my body's sex. Thus, I see my personal problem as sex identity based, not gender identity based. Alas, it should be female, with a uterus, fallopian tubes, ovaries, etc. but it pains me so heavily to say it lacks these. SRS is not perfect, in that respect, but it is good enough, and will have to do.
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Aina

Quote from: anjaq on March 11, 2014, 04:24:57 AM
Aina, why do you want to transition, what is your goal there. I mean you are driven towards that but what is at the core of that wish - is it that you want to be accepted fully as a female in society and/or have a female body? Or is it that you want to be a special person who is trans and seen as such - a third gender? The stupid thing is, that you probably cannot have both, cause people will see you as one OR the other. They may say "I accept you to be a woman" or something like that but depp down they often don't. Thats sad but I heard it many times. One will notice in conversations then when they make an invisible border talking about "us" (meaning ciswomen) and "you". If pointed towards that they just did this, they will find excuses like that you cannot have babies, dont have a period or cannot experience some of the other things that most women experience and are familiar with and thus are different. But thats flawed because they would not draw this line if there was a woman who had her ovaries removed present. In the worst case they will even tell you that you cannot know this or that because you have not grown up as a girl or because your body is male. Personally I hate this invisible line that is overplayed with "but I DO accept you AS as woman" (already implying that you ARE not, but that you are just something that is LIKE a woman). Mabye it it stupid and will drive me crazy to notice such things and I should just turn off these sensors and just go by the words and be happy, but I doubt I cannot do that.

There is nothing wrong with being "transgender" or "transsexual", my past is my past, I had male gonads and they distored my body but I dont have to tell this to everyone, it kind of defies my own process of healing which requires to not be regarded as "trans" but primarily as a woman who had some issues with her body in childhood and youth. So technically I am within the definition of "transgender" the way it is used on this webiste - when it comes to medical definitions I was (or am? or is it not more of a process than a status?) "transsexual" - but I do not really want to apply that term to me in everyday life. I use these terms for convenience when writing here or talking to doctors.

Honestly that is the question I have had no luck answering other then because I just really want to be a girl. I've presented as being female on online for 15+ years now and just enjoy being treated and "seen" (I use that lightly) as a girl and I want to look and present like one in real life. I don't understand how I came to wanting just remember as far back as I can I had dreams and wishes. I know it might also sound like it goes against what I am saying.

I have a few friends online who is openly transgender and they are both women, at least I view them as such. I find something extremely beautiful and amazingly strong about not being afraid of being open about being transgender even when they pass.

I suppose because I am such a whimp about almost everything in my life I just really look up to people like her or those in the media that been coming out and saying "look at me".

My question is why can't we be both transgender and women, or transgender and men when we transition to our desired gender. Do you not feel that hiding it may ultimately hurt us a little bit in the end? (Not to say there is anything wrong with hiding it - I am sure I'd most likely hide the fact from people as well...)

Maybe I just day-dream to much.  :)
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Northern Jane

Quote from: GorJess on March 11, 2014, 05:09:44 AM
I only use transsexual as an indicator of the medical condition ....

Exactly!

I have never used the term 'transgender' and never will. I was diagnosed Transsexual in 1966 and the term fit better than anything before or since. It was a medical condition, it was corrected in 1974, and life has been fine ever since. I will sometimes use the term transsexual in a medical context but that's all. They can keep changing the terms, forming alliances here or there, or redefining things but, to me, it just seems to muddy the waters in what was a clear-cut case.
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stephaniec

Quote from: Aina on March 11, 2014, 12:26:08 PM
Honestly that is the question I have had no luck answering other then because I just really want to be a girl. I've presented as being female on online for 15+ years now and just enjoy being treated and "seen" (I use that lightly) as a girl and I want to look and present like one in real life. I don't understand how I came to wanting just remember as far back as I can I had dreams and wishes. I know it might also sound like it goes against what I am saying.

I have a few friends online who is openly transgender and they are both women, at least I view them as such. I find something extremely beautiful and amazingly strong about not being afraid of being open about being transgender even when they pass.

I suppose because I am such a whimp about almost everything in my life I just really look up to people like her or those in the media that been coming out and saying "look at me".

My question is why can't we be both transgender and women, or transgender and men when we transition to our desired gender. Do you not feel that hiding it may ultimately hurt us a little bit in the end? (Not to say there is anything wrong with hiding it - I am sure I'd most likely hide the fact from people as well...)

Maybe I just day-dream to much.  :)
I totally understand why people just want to be seen as there true gender, totally understandable .For me personally it just doesn't bother me in the least for being seen as a trans women. I admit I've had too many LSD trips in my life that has probably caused a major shift in parts of my brain. Plus the fact that I admit I've been on the other side of the tracks , so how people perceive me has a different effect on me. I've been female all my life , but it hasn't been till recently that physically I'm changing. I've lived life physically presenting male. I wish it was different ,but its the way it is. I admire Northern Jane for having lived her life properly and I totally understand her position. given the late onset of my transitioning is a lot of the reason I see my self differently in the sense of how people view me. Everyone needs to be themselves and view themselves how they see fit. To be honest my personal life is easier to explain if I choose  the term transgender because I haven't had srs yet. I'm transitioning. Of course the term BSBDS also fits if I'm having an open conversation and the totality of my life experience needs to be explained in a nut shell. then again if no body asks I'm just a woman.
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anjaq

Aina - I think I do agree there that it would be great if I could be telling people about my condition, as Northern Jane described it - a medical condition that was at least to a good degree corrected. But I would not like to use the term transgender without a reallyreally good explanation in what way this term applies to me. There are so many people and conditions and lifestlyes that run under that term that simply using it as an explanation of who I am would not work as people would have a specific image for themselves about that. For some it is "men who want to be like women" or it is "people who do a lot of surgeries to be perfect women" or it is "women who have been men before" - rarely it is really "women who had a medical condition that was resolved". As I said, it would be great if that was the view - that others would if I tell them I have transsexualism or "am transgendered" or had bsBDS they would get from that exactly that how I see it, that I am a woman who has had some odd birth defect and was equipped with the wrong gonads during pregnancy which then caused the whole body and social gender assignment to go wrong but that conditions has a treatment and I underwent it. But thats not about it now. It is now still about me "having been a man" or about this whole gender queer stuff, about gender roles and the lot, about boys playing soccer and girls reading books and clothes and makeup and that whole pile of gender nonsense that is just a small part of why I was seeking the help I got. But for most people if they hear "transgender" it is about a person who wants to behave or be treated differently from his "biological sex/gender".

They don't get it and that is why I prefer not to tell them except if I really have the impression that a person is intelligent and empathic enough to understand and I have the time to explain.

I am considering to do a short summary of my condition, a narrative that I can tell and which is correct from my view and describes how it was for me, why I got the treatments I needed and why I have some features that are exotic and maybe even why I look like a boy in old pictures - but that does not at the same time immediately cause people to connBut I am not sure how.

Transitioning later is of course making such things a bit harder. I got medical treatments and a new name at 23, Northern Jane even earlier - so there is not too much that was going on before that. I have now lived the vast majority of my adult life with at least some of the proper treatments and with a name and social role that fits, my childhood was at least partially ok as well, so it is basically only that time from being 11 to 21 that is really bugging me in terms of somethng I do not like to talk about too much. Things would be different if I had a wife, kids, carreer, maybe public standing and all that - whoich many of the later transitioners have. So I cannot really say how I would see it if that was my situation...

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stephaniec

Quote from: anjaq on March 16, 2014, 04:41:30 AM
Aina - I think I do agree there that it would be great if I could be telling people about my condition, as Northern Jane described it - a medical condition that was at least to a good degree corrected. But I would not like to use the term transgender without a reallyreally good explanation in what way this term applies to me. There are so many people and conditions and lifestlyes that run under that term that simply using it as an explanation of who I am would not work as people would have a specific image for themselves about that. For some it is "men who want to be like women" or it is "people who do a lot of surgeries to be perfect women" or it is "women who have been men before" - rarely it is really "women who had a medical condition that was resolved". As I said, it would be great if that was the view - that others would if I tell them I have transsexualism or "am transgendered" or had bsBDS they would get from that exactly that how I see it, that I am a woman who has had some odd birth defect and was equipped with the wrong gonads during pregnancy which then caused the whole body and social gender assignment to go wrong but that conditions has a treatment and I underwent it. But thats not about it now. It is now still about me "having been a man" or about this whole gender queer stuff, about gender roles and the lot, about boys playing soccer and girls reading books and clothes and makeup and that whole pile of gender nonsense that is just a small part of why I was seeking the help I got. But for most people if they hear "transgender" it is about a person who wants to behave or be treated differently from his "biological sex/gender".

They don't get it and that is why I prefer not to tell them except if I really have the impression that a person is intelligent and empathic enough to understand and I have the time to explain.

I am considering to do a short summary of my condition, a narrative that I can tell and which is correct from my view and describes how it was for me, why I got the treatments I needed and why I have some features that are exotic and maybe even why I look like a boy in old pictures - but that does not at the same time immediately cause people to connBut I am not sure how.

Transitioning later is of course making such things a bit harder. I got medical treatments and a new name at 23, Northern Jane even earlier - so there is not too much that was going on before that. I have now lived the vast majority of my adult life with at least some of the proper treatments and with a name and social role that fits, my childhood was at least partially ok as well, so it is basically only that time from being 11 to 21 that is really bugging me in terms of somethng I do not like to talk about too much. Things would be different if I had a wife, kids, carreer, maybe public standing and all that - whoich many of the later transitioners have. So I cannot really say how I would see it if that was my situation...
I think maybe what is going to have to happen is for society to evolve where we don't have to worry about explaining ourselves and our past conditions . I t's just going to take a long time and I won't be around when that happens. Until  that happens we just have to live each day the best we can and except ours selves for who we are and deal with it the best we can. I know I have a doctors appointment tomorrow for the state to determine my disability and I'm wondering about how I'm going to explain why I have breasts . It's going to be interesting . Luckily it not a factor in the disability out come.
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anjaq

Well in a way of course an ideal society that accepts everything is the solution for everything. I think that is not needed and it is utopian. But What I really think would be a goal that is a possiblity is to make it public that transsexualism is a biological condition. It is not a psychologcial one, it is not "men who want to be women" or such as it is seen now but it is, as was even originally said by Benjamin, a form of DSD or "intersexuality" in which parts of the brain develop female while the gonads develop male (or vice versa). And since "we are our brains" - our personality and identity is based in the brain, that part is what is central, what defines us - not the gonads or the chromosomes. And the conclusion is simple - we are our brains, our brains are having a sex, our gonads have a different sex, the gonads shape the rest of the body by hormones, since we are our brain and our brain has a sex, the thing that has to change to resolve the discrepancy is the body, the gonads, the hormones. Its a medical condition, it is not a lifestyle, it is not about social roles primarily, although of course they are important as a secondary issue as we suffer from being pushed in the wrong one - or rather fail at actually filling the gender role expectations put upüon us by society that only looks at the gonads. If we get this across, that the brain is always since birth of the sex that we know it is even if that is at mismatch with the gonads, it would not be an issue any more to say I had the wrong gonads as a birth defect than someone else having misshaped genitalia, a deformity of the face or anything else. This weird exceptionalism just because it is about sex and gender is quite odd.
However - to allow this to happen, I believe one has to distinguish between the various forms of "Transgender". It is ok to form an alliance under the umbrella term, but I think it is also needed to distinguish internally and make clear that it is an alliance and not one group of people who are all the same. There ar emany motvations for someone to "change gender". And I think not a big part of the people under that term are experiencing what I described above. Some experience life more as people who do not fit into a rigid social gender role and want to leave that - maybe enter the other one on a bipolar scheme, maybe not. In that case the main motivation is a social one and the needs of this expression of transgender are different than those of the ones who mainly want to change their body to match. There are so many differnt kinds and I think it is tough for us to understand them and it is impossible for outsiders to understand it, so they will jsut take one of these expressions, universalize it and then apply it to anyone being "out" about "being transgender".
So for me it is mainly a body thing. My brain is female, my behaviour is female, I need a female body and if that goes along with a female social role, that is fine. But if I tell someone "I am transgender", some of them will then think that it is mainly about "livng as a female" or "changing from male role to female role" or that I change my body just to conform to the gender expectations that I need to fulfil when I am changing the social role - eg I do HT and surgeries only to "pass" well and to fit well in my new social role. So it is reversed. Because of ocurse there are many people with that different focus and it is hard to explain to people with a single word 2transgender" that I am not like that but almost the opposite. This somehow has to be resolved and I think part of how that has to be done will be to take "transgender" as a federal principle - as a group of people with very different stories and motivations and goals who have some common ground  but who also accept that the members are different.

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stephaniec

well, I can't find any thing I disagree with. I know my brain has guided me along this path since birth. It's felt as though I've been twisted out of shape and the body has constantly tried to realign itself. Public acceptance would help quite a bit. Being forced into one gender over the other against the will of the true gender is definitely not a solution. the acceptance as a medical condition rather some sexual conflict seems to be the proper path.
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