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I keep thinking 23 is too late to transition.

Started by Annaiyah, March 03, 2014, 12:04:59 AM

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Ms Grace

Quote from: FalsePrincess on March 03, 2014, 12:17:27 PM
Its not that we are not going to be happy if dont transition though...
Its that we are going to be extremely sad ...

I couldnt stand being sad forever...

This...

Quote from: ZoeM on March 03, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
Transition to be someone; not to be something. Anything less is courting disaster.

...and this! Beautiful! Thanks!

Quote from: FilaFord on March 03, 2014, 01:29:29 PM
What!? You are over 46?

*wipes eyes*

I don't believe you. I hope I look that good in my 40s!

48 this Friday... :)

Just look after yourself and there's a good chance you will...
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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sagitilicious

You don't have to look like a perfect woman to be a great woman. While it's never too late, be glad you're doing it now. Not because of age or phys development but because you want it and you're doing it.
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: AnnaiyahStarr on March 03, 2014, 12:04:59 AM
i can't help the thought in the back of my mind that 23 is a little late to transition.
I started HRT at 47 years old. This photo was only a few months into it. :)
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Jenna Marie

I started at 32 and am 42DDD all natural... and wish I'd thought of it at 23. ;) There are tons and tons of women who started post-puberty with natural breasts! The pelvis thing sucks (bothers me, too), but most people don't have X-ray vision. If you end up with a nice female figure, and I bet you will, no one will be thinking about specific distinctions in the pelvic bone.

Good luck!
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Ltl89

I understand the feeling.  I started hormones at 24 and kept having those very same thoughts.  Now that I'm 25 and more into my transition, I'm more comfortable that I'll make it to where I want to be in time.  Still, I have major fears and concerns about how well I'll pass as of right now.  From what I'm starting to see, we really are our biggest critics and most people don't zoom in on our "flaws" in the same way that we do.  Honestly, 23 isn't too late and you probably shouldn't worry too much about it if this is what you want.  Good luck! :)
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Annaiyah

Quote from: Ms Grace on March 03, 2014, 02:19:38 PM48 this Friday... :)

Happy early birthday.

Quote from: sagitilicious on March 03, 2014, 02:26:53 PM
You don't have to look like a perfect woman to be a great woman. While it's never too late, be glad you're doing it now. Not because of age or phys development but because you want it and you're doing it.

Amen! Because quite frankly, I've spent long enough in the prison that is a body of a gender that is not mine.


Quote from: Jenna Marie on March 03, 2014, 05:08:09 PM
I started at 32 and am 42DDD all natural... and wish I'd thought of it at 23. ;) There are tons and tons of women who started post-puberty with natural breasts! The pelvis thing sucks (bothers me, too), but most people don't have X-ray vision. If you end up with a nice female figure, and I bet you will, no one will be thinking about specific distinctions in the pelvic bone.

Good luck!

Bloody hell! You have awesome genetics! You're kidding right? All natural 42ddds and you transitioned at 32? I dream of having 36ddd's... all natural! I guess anything really is possible after all!

I mean sure, the pelvis thing people aren't going to pay much attention too but it's a part of being female and I still want big hips without having to resort to implants. Plus, when genetic women walk, I notice their butts go up and down, I bet because of the female pelvic bone. I want mine to do that when I walk.

Quote from: learningtolive on March 03, 2014, 05:57:45 PM
I understand the feeling.  I started hormones at 24 and kept having those very same thoughts.  Now that I'm 25 and more into my transition, I'm more comfortable that I'll make it to where I want to be in time.  Still, I have major fears and concerns about how well I'll pass as of right now.  From what I'm starting to see, we really are our biggest critics and most people don't zoom in on our "flaws" in the same way that we do.  Honestly, 23 isn't too late and you probably shouldn't worry too much about it if this is what you want.  Good luck! :)

Oh, this is what I want. This is the path that I'm destined to take and I will. As I've said to another member, I've spent long enough in a body that isn't mine. I've wanted to transition years ago, much more right now.

Quote from: ZoeM on March 03, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
I started at 23... It hasn't been perfect by any means (I'm still 5'11", for a start) but I would be highly surprised if your age was a prime determinant for hip and breast growth. (Speaking as a girl blessed with rather nice measurements in both areas 14 months in)

That said... Don't start transition for a desired end result of physical beauty. So many times it just won't happen, and even when it does the stress of maintaining stealth can lead to disappointment and unhappiness.

Transition to be someone; not to be something. Anything less is courting disaster.

Oh, you don't have to worry about that! I'm not transitioning for those reasons. I'm transitioning because I should've been born a girl to begin with. And you're lucky in the height department. I'm 6 feet. Oh, what I wouldn't give to be 5 foot 3. You look 100% passable in your avatar by the way, provided that's you. I would've never guessed. That's why I won't tell people I'm trans... or at least tell as very few people as possible.

Quote from: FalsePrincess on March 03, 2014, 12:17:27 PM
Its not that we are not going to be happy if dont transition though...
Its that we are going to be extremely sad ...

I couldn't stand being sad forever...

Remember that if dysphoria is something that makes you sad every moment, it wont go away, never...
so better transition than live a fake sad life...

I guess

Sometimes I would get "Oh, you still won't be able to have a baby," or "your genetics and bone structure are still gonna say you're male," blah-blah-blah. Well, I still have the "at least I will be interpreted by the world as female, provided I pass as one," riposte.

I'd hands down rather live the rest of my life as a trans girl than not a girl at all and live the rest of my life being male. But that's just me...

Quote from: Ms Grace on March 03, 2014, 12:39:23 AM
Chances are you wouldn't have been put on estrogen until late adolescence as that seems to be the practice at the moment. Blockers yes, hormone replacement no. Even more likely to be the case ten years ago. Yes, you are not too old (gosh others start at more than twice your age (like me!))...don't hold off any longer or you'll be wondering if you're too old at 30 (again, no).

I guess it's not too late. I've heard about someone transitioning as late as their 70's or 80's or something! No, I really have, though I don't remember the exact age. But I wonder how she looks now.


Quote from: FalsePrincess on March 03, 2014, 04:24:59 AM
Exactly , even If you had the courage to come out lets say on 14 they wouldnt give you hormones,,,
"too young to know" theyd say...

cases in which kids take hormones on 12 are extremely rare...

so the youngest you d be able to start is 16/17 which is rare too...
and by that age you wouldn't have been different than you are now...

my bro is 17 im 19 and he is waaay more masculine than me...
genetics play role...

you shouldn't give up you are still young

Funny you should say the first sentence. I didn't come out but my mom found me out at 14.

Quote from: Hayley on March 03, 2014, 05:31:17 AM
Felt the same way before I started to transition. 23 isn't to old. You will have female breast and a female pelvic bone because you are a young woman. Might not be the "hourglass" look but let's be honest that is rarer then people make it out to be. Everyone is shaped differently. I'm sure a lot of us wish we could've started earlier in life no matter when we start. Don't be afraid of being who you are and who you need to be. Life is too short to be afraid, take the first step and every one after that is easier than the last.

Yeah... if only I had the courage to call the Mazzoni Center in Philadelphia.

I do know 23 is kind of young and I really didn't mean to troll or anything it's just that I keep hearing the younger you start the better and the more prone you will be to passing as female (or male for trans boys). Though I'm not on hormones yet I am working on my voice so then when I actually start my bodily transition I'll have some progress with my voice instead of worrying "Oh s**t! My voice doesn't pass!"
They say identity theft is a crime. Well, needless to say, a crime has been committed. My identity has been stolen. No, no one knows my social security number or has my credit card. I'm walking around in the wrong body. I'm wearing a costume which I cannot remove... and the only way I can remove that costume, is through surgery
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Jenna Marie

Yes, I got lucky with genetics, but I also know of very, very few trans women who got NO breast development at all. The majority of those who go for breast augmentation do so b/c their breasts are smaller than they wanted or don't fit their frame, much like cis women. Which you might as well; there are no guarantees. But you should get *something* by way of homegrown breasts.

As for the hips... what counts as hips in fashion measurements is actually the very upper thigh (which fat distribution on HRT will take care of), and that bobbing butt and swaying walk are also mostly products of fat. I found that with the new bigger butt and boobs, I pretty naturally stand with a more female pelvic tilt and have that bouncing butt look without trying. Yes, having a female pelvis shape *helps,* and cis women have their hip and knee joints more angled relative to each other than a male pelvis will allow. However, most people won't be able to tell the difference by looking. You should be fine. :)

The voice is the one thing I regret about not transitioning pre-puberty...
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Jill F

Quote from: LordKAT on March 03, 2014, 04:46:36 AM
Many of us started at a much later age and turned out fine. What you have is wishful thinking which will get you nowhere.

^This^  Playing the "what if" game never ends well.  You can only move forward.  I started at 43 and no longer wish to hasten my expiration date so I can finally enjoy life to the fullest.
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Julia-Madrid

AnnaiyahStarr, really, 23 is a wonderfully young age to do this, if you know in your heart that it's the right thing for you!  Find an equilibrium that works for you, and, most of all, be happy and positive even while you fix the things you need to fix. 

I'm in my mid-40s, and should have transitioned 20 years ago but was too scared.  Now is the right time for me, but I do sometimes regret not having had the strength to do it when I was younger.  On the other hand, I have had a life rich in experiences as a man, and I don't regret those, but  from now on I want to experience my time as a woman.

Hugs
Julia
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Jenna Marie on March 04, 2014, 05:15:13 PM
The voice is the one thing I regret about not transitioning pre-puberty...

The voice can be worked on. You just need to put in the (a lot of) time and the effort.
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Jenna Marie

Laura : Thanks, by now I know that. :) Actually, that's my complaint - it took probably hundreds of hours of work to get my voice to this point! (I've been gendered correctly even on the phone since about a year into transition, and by now I even cough/laugh/scream female, but WOW was that a lot of work.)
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KatVonDoom

I'm 27, and 5ยด11. And for a while, I thought the same thing. It's too late now, why didn't I start in my early twenties? Haha. But then I realized I started now because this is when it finally worked for me. When I hit the point of knowing fully that I needed to be myself, and hit a point in my life where mentally, I was able to prioritize that over fear of the stigma, or anxiety over what friends and family would say. But in the time I've been reading these boards, I've seen more and more gorgeous and, even more importantly, happy women who started around my age and often much later, and it's effing inspiring.

Julia-Madrid

QuoteThe voice can be worked on. You just need to put in the (a lot of) time and the effort.

Totally agree.  For a lot of us, it's less a question of pitch than a question of music.  And listening!

What I'm doing is listening to women newsreaders or presenters on the radio (BBC radio 4 is great for this.  TV is also good!) and repeating their intonation.  It's also really really useful to record yourself and listen to how you would normally deal with intonation, and then try the newsreader's version.  Sounds a bit freaky at first...

What I find difficult is that with people I know, I tend to drop into my standard male range - it's not so easy to unlearn that. 

xxx
J

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dkl

I wish I could have begun before 30, I was in my mid forties, and I'm finally having surgery. I must admit, I wonder sometimes if I'm too old for surgery, but I still feel I need to. I wish I could have made it without having to transition, but it got to the point that I could no longer continue as things were.
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Danniella

I'm 26, and while I have only really been transitioning for 4 months now, I often get the regretful feelings or thoughts of wishing I had transitioned earlier.

But I think almost every trans person has felt this at some time, it's only natural and comes with the territory.

See...I look at it like this...(armchair sociology/psychology incoming)


My Hair-brained Analysis of Where we go Wrong

If a woman grows up, and is not a perfect 10 looks wise, she will often feel down about it or have some self confidence issues. But nowadays, society increasingly tells her that "that's just the way you are","that's just the way you were born","Be proud of the natural you!".

So much of female culture nowadays is focused towards accepting the "real you" or the "natural you", cosmetic surgery is frowned upon and done in secret, airbrushing is a dirty word, even changing your name to be more appealing is looked at with condescension. And all along, the woman are told "Don't worry, it's not your fault you look the way you do, it's the world and the media that is broken, you are beautiful just the way you are." Acceptance of ones natural self is allot easier for in this mindset.

On the other hand, our problem is that we often have thoughts like "I would have looked better if I transitioned earlier" or "Oh god I really ->-bleeped-<-ed myself up looks wise by waiting so long". It's the aspect of the unknown, the unrealised potential, that hurts us and messes with our heads so much.

In this situation we feel like we have done something really bad to ourselves, we have ruined our bodies, or at least severely damage our prospects. Instead of being able to rely on the standard media messages of "it's just the way you are","It's not your fault","Be the natural you" we feel very personally responsible for the way we look, we hate the "natural you" and try to hide and or change it as much as possible, because we "know" it is our fault we look that way.

The difference in my opinion is blame.

We normally blame ourselves for the way we look on the outside, rather than most Cis women out there who blame nature or other outside forces for their downfalls.


My Coping Method

With this in mind, I have twisted this logic around in my head in an attempt to turn it into a positive force, rather than a negative one, by applying a degree of challenge to it! :D

The way I see it. If you can transition at a "late age" (whatever your opinion of that is) and look good, not even super model or movie star good, just run of the mill "Hey you look nice" good, that accomplishment is worth SO much more to a trans person than to a Cis woman.

We have so little we can rely on naturally to help look good. You have to literally fight clothing manufacturers, social constraints, lack of experience and a thousand other things, even your very genetics, every single day, just to look good, or at least passable.

In my eyes, if you can do that, hell, you can do anything :)

And in the future, every time you are looking at pictures or walking down a highstreet and see a Cis girl you look better than...well dayum, you have truly achieved something special.

Is it healthy? Probably not. Does is potentially breed an environment of negative reinforcement? Maybe...but In my opinion, our society as a whole is not designed to support trans feelings or struggles on a day to day basis, even standard self confidence building advice aimed towards women falls short of recognising the true problems we face...so we have to build our own logic or view the cultural norms in a unique way to live happily...

But that's just my way weird way of looking at it ;)
You say "Using humor as a defence mechanism" like it's a BAD thing!



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Eva Marie

23? You are lucky - I'm doing it at 51.

Back when I was your age it would have been the perfect time for me to transition. I was physically small and femme looking but this was the 70's and no one knew what transgender meant. Unfortunately testosterone eventually had its way with me and ruined that opportunity.

At 23 your whole life is still before you; the effects of testosterone can still be mostly reversed.  HRT is going to do wonderful things for you my dear.
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Annaiyah

Quote from: Eva Marie on March 24, 2014, 11:34:22 AM
23? You are lucky - I'm doing it at 51. At 23 your whole life is still before you; the effects of testosterone can still be mostly reversed.  HRT is going to do wonderful things for you my dear.

51 And you're just starting? I find that hard to believe. You look great, beautiful and passable.

When I said "too late" in the OP, I meant that I wanted my E to widen my male pelvic bone into a female pelvic bone, give me DD-cup sized breasts without the need for implants, and make me 5'7 or better yet 5'3 instead of being 6'0 but that's all wishful thinking. *sighs
They say identity theft is a crime. Well, needless to say, a crime has been committed. My identity has been stolen. No, no one knows my social security number or has my credit card. I'm walking around in the wrong body. I'm wearing a costume which I cannot remove... and the only way I can remove that costume, is through surgery
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kelly_aus

Quote from: AnnaiyahStarr on March 24, 2014, 11:44:34 AM
51 And you're just starting? I find that hard to believe. You look great, beautiful and passable.

When I said "too late" in the OP, I meant that I wanted my E to widen my male pelvic bone into a female pelvic bone, give me DD-cup sized breasts without the need for implants, and make me 5'7 or better yet 5'3 instead of being 6'0 but that's all wishful thinking. *sighs

No guarantee any of that would happen any way, regardless of when you started.
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Julia-Madrid

Just do it!  That's my recommendation.  If you feel that being a woman is what you want, leap at the chance.   With a modest amount of time and some money, and a lot of personal effort, you can be that person.  20 years ago we didn't have half the surgical techniques that exist now.  If all of that had existed back then I would have been 20 years into womanhood. 
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Miss_Bungle1991

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on March 24, 2014, 02:53:08 AM
Totally agree.  For a lot of us, it's less a question of pitch than a question of music.  And listening!

What I'm doing is listening to women newsreaders or presenters on the radio (BBC radio 4 is great for this.  TV is also good!) and repeating their intonation.  It's also really really useful to record yourself and listen to how you would normally deal with intonation, and then try the newsreader's version.  Sounds a bit freaky at first...

What I find difficult is that with people I know, I tend to drop into my standard male range - it's not so easy to unlearn that. 

xxx
J

Singing was a great help for me as far as my voice is concerned. Listening to other women helped too. But I just listened to family members, friends, etc. There was a slight bit of time when I would listen to various actresses,but listening to people that I knew was a greater help.

Plus, practice, practice and more practice.
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