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Isolation Within The Trans Community

Started by King Malachite, March 04, 2014, 10:40:02 PM

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Christinetobe

Malachite,  as someone here who is only in therapy at the moment I know I read a lot of posts and questions that I feel I could respond to based on knowledge but not personal experience so I try to refrain.  I do feel like I am always learning from others experiences.  As for the way I think about you it is always as 100% male.  I think it is clear who you are and where you are in the physical process has no bearing on the way you present yourself or are perceived, at least by me.  I enjoy your posts and could not care less if you have or ever even will start on T.  Keep up the good work I think you are great.
As Brett Michaels said Every Night Has its Dawn :)
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michelle

As we transition, we take on more of the gender roles of our gender.   As a transsexual female, I am not just female, I am a grandma, a lady, a bitch, an aunt, a deva, a mother, a sister, a niece,  etc.   Sometimes we even assume our gender roles before we accept our gender identity and don't even know it.   Transitioning is more than changing our physical bodies,  it's transforming our identities in such a way that we do not accept societies stereotypes of our gender roles, it's carving out a new paradigm of them.    We do not have to become the women men expect us to be sexually, like any other self-assured woman, we do what is comfortable for us.   The thing for transsexual and transgender men,  they do not have to accept the males roles that women try and force upon them.  They just become the man, they can live with.   But what I do have to accept is that as a woman, some men may try and force themselves upon me and rape me making me do sexual acts that I am not comfortable with.   As a woman, I have to cope and suffer with this just like any other woman has to.   
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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JoanneB

I spent anywhere from 50-30 years "Not Transitioning" for various reasons. Mainly not having the guts to. Just trying my best to be as normal as I could. As life flowed about all my hopes, wishes and dreams sailed away, except for one that was so buried deep down and such a part of every protein in every cell of my body. For years I was in isolation from the world, and worse of all, from myself.

Six years into taking on the trans-beast for real, I still primarily present as a male. Only recently have I come to believe that at some point I will need to at least do part-time. But I'll see if/when I get there. Technically you are not in compliance with the definition according to my definition of "transition", which is to change. You are trying to grow, trying to learn. Far unlike me for those 50-30 years of Non-Transitioning

You are far from isolated my friend. Foremost, you are not isolated from yourself. We are all fortunate that in the past 20 years the internet exploded with many sites dedicated to serving the TG community. The various forums here and the people cruising them all remind me of my intimate TG support group where we are more like family. For many of us, the only real family we've had.

For certain, just as the moderator of my group told me during my interview, you are not required to say or do anything. And how "being there" sure helped me turn my life around for the better.
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Rainbow Dash

I have transitioned and been full time for almost 4 years now and I do feel isolated. Stuff I post here generally gets ignored. Doesn't matter if its photos or just a plain old post. Maybe its because I don't have long flowing hair, I don't exactly wear extremely girly clothing, ( I am a truck driver, I don't get the chance to wear dresses very often and only own one dress in the first place), So as of today, I'm completely done posting photos. I'm not even going to use my photo as my avatar anymore. The one I have up now is exactly how I feel around here.
"Maybe I really joined with them to keep the loneliness at bay.
Yet in the end, you couldn't make it go away. Others could rely on you, but you couldn't rely on them."

"She's a little scared to get close to anyone because everyone who said, "I'll always be here for you," left."
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Devlyn

Quote from: Talim on January 03, 2015, 10:49:52 AM
I have transitioned and been full time for almost 4 years now and I do feel isolated. Stuff I post here generally gets ignored. Doesn't matter if its photos or just a plain old post. Maybe its because I don't have long flowing hair, I don't exactly wear extremely girly clothing, ( I am a truck driver, I don't get the chance to wear dresses very often and only own one dress in the first place), So as of today, I'm completely done posting photos. I'm not even going to use my photo as my avatar anymore. The one I have up now is exactly how I feel around here.

I was chased out of the passing threads because I identify as a male and they didn't want someone who wasn't trying to be female posting there. It pissed me off, but screw 'em. Do me a favour and put your picture back up. Some of us love you just the way you are.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Rainbow Dash

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 03, 2015, 11:09:57 AM
I was chased out of the passing threads because I identify as a male and they didn't want someone who wasn't trying to be female posting there. It pissed me off, but screw 'em. Do me a favour and put your picture back up. Some of us love you just the way you are.

Hugs, Devlyn

Really? That's the passing thread. Not the "how trans are you?" thread. Sounds like there are some folks who need to check what site they are on. We don't always fit the binary and that should be valued.

I'll change my avatar just for you so you can see my haircut at least.
"Maybe I really joined with them to keep the loneliness at bay.
Yet in the end, you couldn't make it go away. Others could rely on you, but you couldn't rely on them."

"She's a little scared to get close to anyone because everyone who said, "I'll always be here for you," left."
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Devlyn

Quote from: Talim on January 03, 2015, 11:29:59 AM
Really? That's the passing thread. Not the "how trans are you?" thread. Sounds like there are some folks who need to check what site they are on. We don't always fit the binary and that should be valued.

I'll change my avatar just for you so you can see my haircut at least.

Thanks! In their defense, it was posted in MTF Transsexual Talk, and I'm not a transsexual, so they had a kind of legitimate beef.
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Rainbow Dash

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 03, 2015, 11:34:20 AM
Thanks! In their defense, it was posted in MTF Transsexual Talk, and I'm not a transsexual, so they had a kind of legitimate beef.

ah, I see. Picture is back up
"Maybe I really joined with them to keep the loneliness at bay.
Yet in the end, you couldn't make it go away. Others could rely on you, but you couldn't rely on them."

"She's a little scared to get close to anyone because everyone who said, "I'll always be here for you," left."
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Devlyn

Quote from: Talim on January 03, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
ah, I see. Picture is back up

And it's a cute haircut, and you have a great smile! Start your own picture thread in the Passing forum. Those other threads are a clique and we all know it.
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Rainbow Dash

I just might do that.
Thank you for the idea  :D
"Maybe I really joined with them to keep the loneliness at bay.
Yet in the end, you couldn't make it go away. Others could rely on you, but you couldn't rely on them."

"She's a little scared to get close to anyone because everyone who said, "I'll always be here for you," left."
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mrs izzy

Quote from: Talim on January 03, 2015, 10:49:52 AM
I have transitioned and been full time for almost 4 years now and I do feel isolated. Stuff I post here generally gets ignored. Doesn't matter if its photos or just a plain old post. Maybe its because I don't have long flowing hair, I don't exactly wear extremely girly clothing, ( I am a truck driver, I don't get the chance to wear dresses very often and only own one dress in the first place), So as of today, I'm completely done posting photos. I'm not even going to use my photo as my avatar anymore. The one I have up now is exactly how I feel around here.

Do not despair not every post gets a response and drops off the radar.

Also time of posting is also a issue.

Love your picture and sometime you just need to bump a post that you feel the real need for help.

Hugs
Mrs. Izzy
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"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Rainbow Dash

It's not really about the posting though. That's an annoyance. I've been thinking about this on and off for a while now. Fighting for transgender rights used to be pretty important to me but I feel like there's almost no point anymore. If I do, will I end up like Mia Macy? No one wants to employ her after her case got us the protection we needed. Then there were the trans organizations who wouldn't help her in the first place who swooped in afterwards to claim credit and try and control her and whom she spoke to.
I did my part and did the whole lobbying bit. Even among other trans people I felt like an anomaly. All of the transgender women were tall except for me.  I get asked by trans people if I am transgender and I would think it was obvious that I was. I'm not complaining about that though. Lol.
But I'm finally accepted by cisgendered women and I get to just be my real self and it feels like I'm moving out of this community altogether. Being stealth is very alluring now.
"Maybe I really joined with them to keep the loneliness at bay.
Yet in the end, you couldn't make it go away. Others could rely on you, but you couldn't rely on them."

"She's a little scared to get close to anyone because everyone who said, "I'll always be here for you," left."
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Clarissa

Quote from: LearnedHand on March 04, 2014, 11:36:03 PM
Hi Malachite:

I feel the same way sometimes, especially since at the moment I think I'll never actively take steps to transition. I think you can still offer advice to those transitioning on the board, a lot of people (new members mainly) ask a lot of the same questions so over time you get knowledgeable about a lot things, even things you haven't experienced first hand.

I am kind of a lone wolf at times so I rarely feel lonely, but I'd suggest just continuing to make friends that accept you, ignore the "->-bleeped-<-r than thou" folks, and keep positive about your situation. You'll be able to transition one day, and the more you stick around gathering the pertinent information and getting the connections you need, you'll be more prepared than if you haven't.

Yes. I love this post. Ignore the "->-bleeped-<-r then thou" folks and seek support from people that will not judge you. Transition is a very personal journey between you and you alone. No one elses.  I had several roadblocks in my journey and I had to stop HRT once before due to health reasons and I wasn't ready yet.Now things are better and I was able to resume again. It will happen when it happens and not a day sooner. ;-)
*Hugs*
Life is too short. Be who you are and write your own story.  ;)
~Clarissa
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Clarissa

Quote from: Talim on January 03, 2015, 03:26:38 PM

But I'm finally accepted by cisgendered women and I get to just be my real self and it feels like I'm moving out of this community altogether. Being stealth is very alluring now.

It's interesting that you brought this up because..in reality I kinda feel the same way. I don't know if I will ever be 100% "stealth" and I probably will not be, but as of late cis women in general just treats me like a woman. Most of the time lol. There are some that do not but no one is chasing me with a baseball bat LOL.
Life is too short. Be who you are and write your own story.  ;)
~Clarissa
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Cindy

Just so we are very clear.

There will be no discrimination on this site no matter what your gender identity. Everyone is as equally valid as each other and if anyone suggests to you otherwise hit the report to Mod button on the bottom right of the post and the GM's will be on the case straight away.

From a personal point of view. I love gender diversity. I think of this place like the United Nations of Gender, but a functional United Nations ::)
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Clarissa

Quote from: Talim on January 03, 2015, 10:49:52 AM
I have transitioned and been full time for almost 4 years now and I do feel isolated. Stuff I post here generally gets ignored. Doesn't matter if its photos or just a plain old post. Maybe its because I don't have long flowing hair, I don't exactly wear extremely girly clothing, ( I am a truck driver, I don't get the chance to wear dresses very often and only own one dress in the first place), So as of today, I'm completely done posting photos. I'm not even going to use my photo as my avatar anymore. The one I have up now is exactly how I feel around here.

I like your hair. It's cute. =)
Life is too short. Be who you are and write your own story.  ;)
~Clarissa
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alexbb

"In fact, I identify as CD much of the time. However, I did detect a schism in the community - CD's are seen as the tourists, or worse, as pervs, regardless of their personal motivation. "

ive noticed that too. banned subjects. disappearing threads, a fatwa on ->-bleeped-<- like its a dirty subject. its a shame. the evident shame is a shame. transgender shame is so 1978 dont you think? in groups and out groups, its what social primates specialise in. sad that even within what is very definitely still an outgroup, subdivisions and status heirarchies still try try to form. no thank you.
i think there is a legacy issue in that in the olden days people were denied HRT if they were 'only crossdressers' making it a sensitive topic, but that doesnt seem to be the case anymore. its 2015 baby, we're living in the future, girls will be boys and boys will be girls!
im proud to be a crossdresser, i love it, i couldnt give a toss what anyone thinks. i cant wait for HRT its gonna be sweeeet!

michelle_kelly

I think the thing to keep in mind is that we are all human beings with feelings and emotions.  That is what connects us.  I am what the OP considers non-transitioning but that doesn't stop me from connecting with others not only in the transgender community but the wider LGBT community.  I may not be able give my opinion on specifics of transitioning or any other subgroup but I can give my opinion about how to deal with feelings relating to identity, confusion, feeling alone, feeling isolated, dealing with hatred and bigotry, coming out to people etc.....  Those are things that I have experienced and its the same regardless of the differences I may have with someone else.  The thing to keep in mind is not look at the differences but look at what we share together and you will find your place in the community regardless of anything else.
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AnonyMs

This is such an interesting post, and so relevant to me. I see so many things that I experience.

I'm isolated because I'm doing something abnormal in the trans community. HRT but no social transition. The first doctor I ever saw asked me if I intended medical transition without social like it was some appalling thing that only crazy people would do. I still feel there's a lot of that around.

I'm isolated because I'm hiding it from almost everyone I know. I can't talk to anyone except here or my psych.

I'm isolated because there's lots of things I wont say here either. I don't think I'll explore that one any further.

I'm isolated even from myself because I don't get much chance to explore myself. Way too much hiding going on.

I even get the posting and total ignoring, but perhaps I'm getting used to that as well. I feel I may have isolated myself from people for so much of my life that I don't relate to people well anymore.

I'm isolated because I choose to be, and perhaps because after all this time I don't know how to stop or even if I should. It does after all protect me, and if there's a downside to it I guess I'm used to it. How bad can it be?

I think I better stop here before I get too depressed.
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michelle

I am isolated from the trans community in my not online life.  I present as female  24/7/365 even though I have never taken hormones, had surgery, or had counseling services for being trans.   I would like to do all these things, but my current Medicare Insurance makes a point of not covering trans care, and I can't afford the 35 dollar an appointment fee for office calls for counseling.   I have told my medical doctor I am trans and my pharmacist. 

I just say that I pronounce my first name of Michael as Michelle.   I have never had any trouble voting, when called to jury duty, or getting my senior bus pass, with being my female self, and showing the authorities my driver's licences with a male designation.   In fact the transportation service allowed me to use female as my identity, on my bus pass, even though my driver's license said male.    Maybe I am just another crazy person in Florida, or I am so non-threatening or inconsequential, that no one cares.  Who knows?   Or maybe I have always given off female vibrations, even though, I have a male voice, which I have trouble altering.   A few males even give me female preferences when getting on the bus.   Sometimes I am really confused because sometimes, I am accepted, as not possibly being anything other than a lady, but in the next instant I am a male crossdresser and addressed  with male pronouns which the clerk acting like it's normal to see me dressed this way.   

  Being 68 and a senior citizen, I am becoming more invisible anyway.   My family looks at me as being a crossdresser, which I am not, and accepts me going everywhere dressed as a woman.    I just don't want to argue about it anyway.   

I have gone to counseling for depression and told that counselor I was trans.   She just listened to me ramble on and said it sounded like I was dealing well with life, which left me feeling why am I talking to her.   It seemed like a waste of time.    She was not qualified to prescribe hormones anyway. 

I can only identify myself as a female and even prefer to refer to myself in terms of female social roles, such as a lady, or grandma.   Facebook lists me as the mother of my children because I identify myself there as a transsexual woman,  but being a female who has fathered the children,  I am not sure of how to refer to myself  personally to my children, maybe ma pa.   Most of them are adults and live on the West Coast while I live on the East Coast so it is not a problem in everyday life, except to my 11-year-old at home.

I can make it on Social Security because my kid also gets half of the benefits I would have gotten if I had retired at 66 instead of 62.   When he ages out I will be poorer.   But my now family is five people with the two older girls 17 and 25 working.   The 25-year-old contributes to expenses, but not as much as it would be if she was living on her own.  They work for minimum wage.

   At 68, sort of, I sit here figuring that at the most I have 20 years left in my live.  It would make me 88 and if I make it until then it will be well I am here this year but who knows the next.   So every day that I don't physically transition, makes it one less day, that I will live post op whenever it happens.

   Now I am a Scorpio, and the only reason, I mention that, it that on Pinterest, when people post the profile of a Scorpio, it sort of fits, how I am carrying on this post. 

I get called sir and madam, and have not been challenged in the ladies' restroom, even when the female members of my family call me Michael and refer to me as he.    I am very comfortable shopping for women's clothing and uncomfortable shopping for men's.   I have no problems going to the ladies' restroom, but, I can't bring myself to enter the men's.   

My partner's ex took off 12 years ago and is a post op woman, and my partner still refers to her as he, so I am not going to argue.  Her 17-year-old daughter who lives with us defends her school trans friends right to her gender identity but will not accept mine, because she follows her mother's lead.  But we have been together 12 going on 13 years. 

So life is not simple especially if you live the first 53 years as a dyke female presenting as a male, to accept that you are really a feminine female.   Then it takes and other 9 years to be open to everyone about who you really are and get rid of all of your male clothing except for some shoes (male size 13, female size 15, shoe size, yet only 5'6" tall).  It's hard to buy size 13 male shoes these days at the cheap shoe stores.   

This is my life and how I am coping and if it helps anyone with their life or perspective, it will make me happy.

  To the trans ladies who are only accepted as cis ladies,  I thought that one of the points of transitioning was to so adapted that everyone would think you were a cis lady.   So what's the beef!   

I am just gambling on the concept that if all everyone ever sees me as is a lady, that I will be accepted as one.   Having been a  school teacher most of my adult life teaching as a dyke female presenting as a male, the trans part of me will always be there no matter how I eventually change my body to be more lady like.   On the side cis women have problems with me referring to myself as a dyke female, when they can only accept me as a male, they think I am a male trying to co-op their identity,  whereas, I am only as a trans woman trying to describe who I was then.


I feel that there are many emotional and social boundaries that I have crossed in becoming the lady that I am.     I feel that accepting yourself, getting rid of all of your fears about being yourself and being comfortable about being yourself, and not being comfortable with not being yourself as some of the major steps in transitioning even when you cannot make the physical changes.    Living the social roles in your public and private life of your gender identity are really important.   And even more important is living your life in such a way that it changes socially what it means to be a man or a woman or nonsexed or whatever your gender identity is.   

When I look back at my life I see that lived out the social roles of being a woman, long before I ever accepted privately and publically that I am a lady and have always been a lady.
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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