The spiro I ordered is taking forever to get here. It was shipped a couple of weeks ago, but won't arrive until the 24th it said. When it does arrive, can't wait to get rid of more testosterone. The saw palmetto can only do so much, if it indeed works at all in that way. I want the penis to get as small as possible and the balls, too. And to think that at one time I wanted them larger, lol! Less is more. Surgery still seems fantastic to me, but as with most of us, way too expensive. Would take over a lifetime to save up that much at my age. But, yes, pesky penis.