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Problems with a boy (he is FtM)

Started by meganB, March 19, 2014, 04:27:40 PM

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meganB

I am not sure if this is a correct place for it (so move it if i placed it wrong).
Anyway my story now.

About 1,5 year ago I became friends with this FtM boy. We were at the same stage and we became very good friends. We shared and talked about everything and we just really could get along with each other.
We are both now on the hormones (he's a few months longer on the T than i'm on the E) and everything went fine. He really sees me as a girl and I really see him as a boy even though we haven't had surgery yet.

A couple of months ago he started to get really close to me (closer than friends). Not much later he came out to me that he was afraid that nobody would love him and that he wasn't worth being loved (and something about ending with 6 cats alone). I said, as a friend, that he was overreacting and that he would find someone (even if it would take some time). A week later or so he started to flirt with me.

I liked him already but it was not the love kind (though I did felt something). I never fell in love before because I couldn't deal with my gender dysphoria and couldn't see myself falling for a boy as a boy (I fall for boys/man). However he completely swept me off my feet and I fell in love with him.

We dated and the first date (also my first date ever) went fine with a few hiccups. He said that he ruined his previous relationships (all pre-T) and that he doesn't let others get close (he did let me get close and he said that I was already to close). He also said he couldn't express his feelings (before and even more after starting T) and wasn't sure if he loved me.

For the second date he went to where I live (I came from the same place as him and my mother still lives there) and it couple of hours on public transportation. The night before the date we had a rather intense flirt session.
The date itself however went totally different. He basically ruined the whole date (a lot of ex tales, not much eye contact and other insensitive things).

Afterwards (two days later) I called him as I didn't know what was happening. He said he didn't feel anything for me but friendship and that he wanted to say that on the second date. I asked for some time off from him so I could recover.
When I was recovered and said he could contact me again he acted like he had totally lost me. He apologized a couple of times saying "it wasn't my intention", "I don't know when I flirt" and if I was angry at him. Eventual i said "Don't worry about it, if I hated your gut you wouldn't have heard from me again.". That being said, I'm still somewhat angry because of what he did.

I'm now back with him on a friend basis, but he is constantly trying to get me closer and when I get to close he starts to push again (he even flirted once and it was something I said on the first date).

Thanks to how he acted to me and the feelings that I had for him I kept being in love (he really is a good, funny and nice boy and his voice and looks changed so good thanks to the T >.<).

I had enough from him a bit so I stopped sending texts back for a few days (I usually start the first text). On the fourth day I hadn't sent a text he sent me a text which had no real meaning other than to get me to respond (a bit in the way "I have nothing to say, but I'm here").

One thing is sure, he doesn't want to lose me (and I don't want to lose him).

I still love him, but I really don't know how to deal with him anymore. Does somebody recognize this behavior and is it because of the T, him being insecure, a combination or something else?

I'm grateful for any advice.


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mrs izzy

From someone mtf who dated and later married a ftm you have to be honest and show you are serious.

As with us that are GID trust becomes a huge issue. If you or him keep this we are friends but maybe not, but friends then you and him might miss out on a great life together.

If you truly love him and want to be his girl. Talk to him as facts. Stop the beating around the bush to say. FACTS of how you feel and your feelings.

Only thing i will warn. 2 with GID can hold a few extra challanges due to body dysphoria. As i have said in this post keep being 100% honest with each other.

This should help break down the trust barrier.

I wish you all the best.

Isabell
Mrs. Izzy
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meganB

Thank you for the response Isabell.


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Ms Grace

He is treating you poorly, but it rather typical male behaviour for a lot of guys so from that point of view I suppose he is doing really well. Having anyone constantly pull you in and then push you away is really unfair and no doubt confusing and hurtful. It sounds like he's trying to use his past as an excuse, as a way of ensuring it happens all over again as proof that he will never be able to be close to someone. You need to be pretty clear with him that it needs to stop. You may love him, and he may love you, but it's no excuse for him to treat you like that.
Grace
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meganB

I know he has hurt me (would be bad if didn't >.<).

He's indeed trying to ruin things before something happens. It's easier to run and avoid everything (when you invested little to none) than to deal with it later (when you have invested a lot). Especially if he thinks it will go bad anyway (why bother with it if you know it will end bad).

We are going to get drink in the afternoon on Sunday and I will tell him about what I feel and how I think about him.


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mrs izzy

Quote from: meganB on March 20, 2014, 06:40:31 PM
I know he has hurt me (would be bad if didn't >.<).

He's indeed trying to ruin things before something happens. It's easier to run and avoid everything (when you invested little to none) than to deal with it later (when you have invested a lot). Especially if he thinks it will go bad anyway (why bother with it if you know it will end bad).

We are going to get drink in the afternoon on Sunday and I will tell him about what I feel and how I think about him.

I wish you the best. As i said been there, i had to break down a lot of walls to show him i was not like the others.

It came from showing him i was in love and wanted something serious and wished not to play the game.

Hugs
Isabell
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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meganB

We went yesterday for an icecream while we talked about all kind of stuff.

On the way back I asked him why he acted like he did (went in easy). He said he wasn't aware of the things he did (like flirting). I know from a friend of his (we both are friends with him, but they are closer) that he was interested in me. The friend didn't understood why he suddenly changed in how he saw me.

When I told him my feelings (that I love him, that I really trust him and that he has really hurt with how he has done) he somewhat made a little mess with his icecream. He basically said that he didn't know what to do or what to say (he then started to really think deeply about it).

What followed was a big awkward silence. As I still wasn't done with my icecream (he was done with his) I continued to eat my icecream while silently waiting for him to reply.

After I was done with my icecream I broke the silence by saying "it's an awkward silence, isn't it? He didn't respond right away but after a few minutes he said "I don't know" (which was clearly a response to what I said earlier).

I made a joke after that and he started to talk to me again. As he did he said he heard a strange sound. The sound came from my boots (with 1,5 inch heels). I never put them on when I was with hin as I'm already 5 inches bigger than him (i'm 6 feet tall). He commented, when I told him about the boots I gotten (when we were just friends), that I was a big intestine (the dutch word for intestine is similar to the dutch word for lady, it became a running gag between us). So as not to be to tall I alwas wore flat shoes.

The bus I needed to take just arrived when we arrived at the train/bus station. He then hugged me and said that I could always come to him with whatever I was bothered with. As I left him I reminded him that I love him and that he needed to remember that.

I don't know how it will progress, but I have told him what I felt for him and how I think, so the ball is now in his court. I will see him again in a month when we both go to a camp for trans* youth.


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