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Started by Torn1990, April 19, 2010, 02:29:55 AM

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Torn1990

  It's difficult being an Androgyne. It's really weird for me.  I am so confused. I look in the mirror and when I imagine myself, (well i do this often without looking in the mirror but at this specific time) as a girl...You know: Long hair, maybe a fuller face, erm..bewbs (not so much important to me but yeah there are bewbs) hips..etc and just being seen as a girl, I am pleased by that! it warms me. But honestly-- there are times where I am completely satisfied and O.K as a guy. It's like i'm leading two different lives. (I think this may be apart of me being a borderline) A part of me can see myself transitioning and being totally happy, then other parts of me..god.. I feel like there would be times where i'd be insanely self-hateful and other times where i'm not. So really nothing would change. Unfortunately I think transitioning would be such an extreme it may drive the other parts of me over the edge because i'd be so out of this comfort zone I have built over the years.
As a nearly 20 yr old boy, staring in the mirror..wishing to be a girl, but taking a deep breath (after enduring a  f****** panic attack) I see the boy and I shrug my shoulders and walk away feeling sometimes apathetic, or miserable, or O.K.
It's all just such a rollercoaster. All the different gender people inside my head are fighting eachother.
It's difficult being androgyne.

I also meant to bring this up but it can be an entirely different subject! I often have many dreams of being pregnant, or giving birth. It makes sense for me, and I know that is quite a personal thing to bring up on this forum but i want to know if anybody else has these types of dreams. Being a male androgyne anyway. The dreams can either be horrific, comical, or of course make me genuinely happy.
queer, transgender woman, Feminist, & writer. ~
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Autumn

One of the oldest coping mechanisms is denial. To say "Psh, well, I don't *really* care about it anyway..." is a pretty classic human behavior.

Consider that strongly in your self-analysis. There is a large difference between "wanting to be in the middle" and "wanting to be a girl but I'm a boy right now."

The androgyne forum is a classic breeding ground of True Transsexuals(tm) (think Vampires, but with MORE sparkle.) Nero started here. I started here. Quite a few other people who slip my addled brain at the moment, started here at this point. Finding self-acceptance, in whatever capacity that actually is, is the most important thing people can do in life. And sometimes that means that we realize that we're lying to ourselves about what we really want because we're afraid to ask for it.

For a long time, I did not ask my friends to refer to me by female pronouns. How silly. I'm was not a girl, and I don't even have a girl name to give them. And then at one small house party, nearly a dozen friends of mine started asking me questions. I had already been wearing womens' clothing for two years at that point, had full body laser, and was suppressing T enough to grow breasts, and most of them knew I identified as TG. When asked point blank if I wanted to be referred to as a female, after quite a lot of liquor, I said yes. And before I knew it, everyone was using she and her, and that night was the first time in my life that I felt like a human being.

Often, it's easier to suffer in silence, than to ask for something and be rejected.
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rejennyrated

I think I was lucky that I was allowed to grow up as openly androgyne. I didn't really understand that that was what had happened until recently when I started reading and responding to some of the posts in here and I realised the way that my life has been was rather different from many. Until recently I put that down to the fact that my 1960's parents were so understanding and to some extent I still think that... but it is more complicated.

The way I am often seems too complex to really explain, which is why until recently I haven't bothered, but I'll try here.

When I had a male body it was like I deliberately suppressed the male parts of my persona in order to compensate, but they were there just unexpressed. When I was growing up I had fairly typically girly interests and behaviour expressed in a body which was, at least, to most extents male. (Technically I was actually Intersex but as I wasn't aware at the time it's irrelevant.) Anyone meeting me then would have expected that I would either grow up as an effeminate homosexual, or if they had any knowledge of trans (which not many people did in the 1960s') they would have pegged me as trans.

In the early 1980's (pretty well exactly the age you are now) I started on hormones and transitioned leading to full SRS in 1984. Since then I have had a female body. Since that time I have felt able to allow my male persona to come forward, but have consciously worked to integrate what otherwise could have become two separate identities into one unified whole. I managed to merge the male and female me so I am now a feminine tomboy, if that doesn't sound too odd. That is to say I do not act butch, and I have retained most of my female interests, but I now feel also entirely happy claiming my masculine birthright. I am also bisexual.

In short I can be BOTH. But it's not that I change my personality - I am exactly the same person when I am out with the boys as I am when I'm having a girly night with the girls, and yet both groups happilly accept me as a full member of the "club"

Believe me, it CAN be done. If you do it right, transition does not have to take you outside of your comfort zone, rather it should take you INTO it.

It has been the makings of me. I indentify as female but in a sense being able to say that has freed me in some strange way to be accepted as both female and as an honorary male at the same time.

To do that first I had to arrive at a point where I was happy with my body. That is the place where it all starts. When you are happy with the way you feel and look then you are free to truly express what really lies inside, until then you will always be fighting your appearance and wearing a mask.
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Eva Marie

Only you can decide what is right for you. If identifying as an androgyne works for you at the moment - that's fine. Later if you decide its more than that - that's fine also. This condition affects people in different ways. Some know seemingly from birth, some figure it out in later years.

And as Autumn pointed out, several members here at one time identified as androgyne and later changed. Although that observation concerns me just a wee little bit  :o  :P
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Fenrir

Torn1990, I completely know what you mean. Some days the dysphoria is really bad, to the point where I can't sleep at night, can't rest, can't talk to people comfortably, wake up from dreams to the dissapointment that my body is still this shape, but other times... well, it's as if it never existed. It's really confusing, because the days where I'm totally fine I think that it would be stupid to transition, because the ideal is obviously being happy in the body you have. I worry a lot if I would miss certain things about the body I've lived in since puberty, and whether I would regret gaining certain things... stuff like that. If only there was a way to test-drive it! >.< Or better yet, to just be able to shapeshift, though that's a mite bit unrealistic.  :P
I don't think I could be happy with the way I am as either a full guy or full girl, though. Like Jenny, I sometimes realise I'm supressing female aspects of myself in order to kind of compensate for my very obviously female appearance, and I know that's bad, but I'm not sure I'd be able to express them the way I am now. Anyway, I would suggest taking some tentative non-permanent steps (breast forms, grow your hair etc.) to see how you feel. If they make you feel more normal, perhaps take steps to make some changes. Good luck!
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rejennyrated

Quote from: Fenrir on April 19, 2010, 04:31:57 PM
Or better yet, to just be able to shapeshift, though that's a mite bit unrealistic.  :P
Not as much as you might think. Many people who know me well call me a shapeshifter on account of the way that I appear to be a different person in many photographs or indeed when they see me from day to day.

Of course I don't actually shape shift - but I do seem to have an actors ability to subtly alter the way certain bits of my anatomy appear to the casual glance or the camera lens.
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Torn1990

Quote from: Fenrir on April 19, 2010, 04:31:57 PM
Torn1990,  Good luck!

I think you've nailed how I feel.
I'm just afraid to transition.
But i've wanted to be a girl ever since I knew I was a boy, so this is something i'm used to. I'm very sensitive to the emotions and thoughts of others-- i think that is one of the hardest things i'd have to go through during the transition. I think i'd kill myself.
I just want to blend in!
Apart from all this, I'm such a psychological mess.
Hahahah... Oh god..I have so much I could ellaborate on right now, but I don't think it matters. I know you all understand, thank you.. But I just don't know....what to do. I just want to go to sleep and not wake up. I've just never been happy before, you know? I know I sound pathetic, but I have legitimate reasons to not transition. Especially when it comes to how it will impact people close to me. If I were to, i'd have to wait until I was  much older.. And I know i'm just going to be a depressed suicidal mess throughout life either way. Like said, It is different for everyone. I just hate my appearance to such a degree that even as girl I might hate it to. Oh god..

queer, transgender woman, Feminist, & writer. ~
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Fenrir

Well, a lot of people here have got to what is termed the 'transition-or-die' stage before, but thankfully they came out of the other end alive. I think if you're at this stage, then the first thing you should do is arrange to see a councillor or therapist about the issues you have so that you can become strong enough to find happiness (whether that be in your current body or a female one). Or at least to become strong enough to be able to deal with the thoughts and opinions of others. I know, I have a problem with it too, I get really self-concious when people focus their attention on me...
Feel free to PM me if you want to talk. I check this forum most days.  :icon_hug:
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cynthialee

Hello Torn,
Just a question or two.
Do you dress to relieve this stress? Many people with GID can mitigate some of the dysphoria with dressing.
Do you have female clothes? Maybe getting some items would be a good idea maybe?
It was already stated but you need to get into see a therapist. Preferably a gender therapist.
You have come to a good place full of people who get what is going on in your head. This condition can be whooped. Try and maintain so you can get the help you need.
Best of wishes.
Cynthia Lee
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Torn1990

Thank u.
I appreciate that.
I actually just got off the phone with the doctor, who took their time getting back to me.. :-\
But, I finally made my appointment this Thursday at 12 PM. 
(On their website it specifically stated they cover gender identidy issues.)
queer, transgender woman, Feminist, & writer. ~
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Fenrir

Quote from: Torn1990 on April 20, 2010, 09:56:16 PM
Thank u.
I appreciate that.
I actually just got off the phone with the doctor, who took their time getting back to me.. :-\
But, I finally made my appointment this Thursday at 12 PM. 
(On their website it specifically stated they cover gender identidy issues.)


Oh, congratulations! Glad to hear you're doing something about it then.  :) Let us know how it goes!
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no_id

Quote from: Torn1990 on April 20, 2010, 09:56:16 PM
Thank u.
I appreciate that.
I actually just got off the phone with the doctor, who took their time getting back to me.. :-\
But, I finally made my appointment this Thursday at 12 PM. 
(On their website it specifically stated they cover gender identidy issues.)
Best of luck with the appointment Torn. Hope it will be a good start to ease some confuzzlement.  8)
Tara: The one time in my life I thought I was happy, I was a f**kin zombie.

True Blood S3E2
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Torn1990

 
I feel really good about this, and i'm looking forward to seeing her again next week. :) It went wellll.
I'm feeling really happy right now.
queer, transgender woman, Feminist, & writer. ~
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no_id

Quote from: Torn1990 on April 23, 2010, 02:33:32 AM

I feel really good about this, and i'm looking forward to seeing her again next week. :) It went wellll.
I'm feeling really happy right now.
Good to read Torn, and cool beans on updating. Good job on taking the step. :)
Keep us updated to see where this path leads you.  8)
Tara: The one time in my life I thought I was happy, I was a f**kin zombie.

True Blood S3E2
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Fenrir

I'm glad that it went so well for you! Woo!  :)
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