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Do you seriously have to take T shots for the rest of your life

Started by Brandon, March 25, 2014, 08:12:33 PM

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Sarah Louise

I second what Sephirah said, lets bring this back on topic.
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Brandon

Quote from: Laura Squirrel on March 26, 2014, 05:23:28 PM
You are free to believe as you wish. But medicine has actually saved lives. I have to ask you this question: If you end up in a situation where you fall deathly ill and there is some type of treatment that will serve your life, what are you going to do? Pray and hope things get better or are you going to turn it down and just believe that "God will work it all out"?


Yes I will pray because God is greater and powerful than all doctors and they wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him, He will work out all my problems, Hell I use to have a lazey eye when I was 5 the docs wanted to do lazer eye surgery but my mom didn't wanna do that so she prayed for me and know you can't even tell I ever had one no one knows accept family and it was bad so don't come at me like that, I have faith to bad you don't.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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av1

I apologize for my post if it seemed disrespectful
I was thinking about cancer only then I was this post and I thought about the time when my mom was being treated-her hair fell off, she became weak, her emotional stability has become so low..
But she did survive. She is still a theist but all this, coupled with a few other things, turned me into an atheist.
That post was due to an impulse sorry if it was offensive
She did not want the treatment to do her harm but there wasn't any other option. I don't want to be dependent on T shots which can benefit me  but I too have no other option.
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FTMDiaries

Quote from: Brandon on March 26, 2014, 04:02:27 PM
I already know I don't have the right parts that needs to keep being repeated, Because thats money cming out of my pocket for something that I could have normally went through durning puberty, And I rarely take meds, I don't wanna keep poking myself with a damn needle forever, Thats why it fustrates me, Thats not normal to me no offense.

I get where you're coming from, to a certain extent. But the thing is: those of us who have medical conditions of any sort that might be improved by medication basically have two choices: 1) accept that we have the condition and put up with the symptoms without treatment; or 2) accept that we have the condition and accept the medical treatment for it. Either way, acceptance is the first step on the path to inner peace, because no amount of wishful thinking will make it disappear.

I have to take medication every day because I have asthma. I shouldn't need to do this: my bronchi shouldn't constrict and make it difficult for me to breathe, and it's not natural to use inhalers and steroids. But I can't wish away my asthma and if I don't take my meds I could die. So really, I have no choice but to accept that I need them. And I am grateful to the scientists, researchers and medical professionals who keep me alive.

T is the same. I couldn't bear living without it, and I'm enormously grateful that it's available to me if I can't make enough myself.





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aleon515

Quote from: lxndr on March 26, 2014, 03:08:10 PM
It is highly recommended here that you get a hysto though, and if you want lower surgery with a v-nectomy at least some of those parts really should be taken out as there's no longer a way to test them for cancer. You can reduce the risks of osteo, but its still increased compared to someone with sex hormones, and it often has an effect on your mood. I never said that either of those things were a certainty, only that you're running an increased risk. Just like if you smoke it's not a dead cert that you'll get cancer, your chances are just increased. And likewise some people choose to take their chances.

This is not really a smoking analogy, because smoking is really quite a known risk. But with lower surgery, I don't think it would be done without it, unless in the most simple surgeries. If someone would do a complex meta without, I think that doctor is incompetent.

As for the comments for Brandon, I see it is round and round. You can chose to take it and be miserable about it, or not take it and be miserable about it, or you can accept that certain things are out of your control and do what you need to do. You won't ever be a cis male. No changing that. You can be a happy trans man or a miserable one.

--Jay
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King Malachite

Quote from: aleon515 on March 27, 2014, 11:30:01 AM

As for the comments for Brandon, I see it is round and round. You can chose to take it and be miserable about it, or not take it and be miserable about it, or you can accept that certain things are out of your control and do what you need to do. You won't ever be a cis male. No changing that. You can be a happy trans man or a miserable one.

--Jay

I would even take it a step farther....this is what I use for myself:  "You're going to be miserable.  Would you rather be a miserable transman with hormones or a miserable transman without hormones?"  If you go the hormone route, you will gain more masculinization, but if you go without, you will save more money and will be able to buy other stuff.  You just got to decide which route is more important to you.
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AdamMLP

Quote from: aleon515 on March 27, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
This is not really a smoking analogy, because smoking is really quite a known risk. But with lower surgery, I don't think it would be done without it, unless in the most simple surgeries. If someone would do a complex meta without, I think that doctor is incompetent.

--Jay

Okay, maybe that wasn't the best analogy in the world, but really, if you're going to be taking T then you do need to be well informed about it and know about the risks.  The chances of something happening is much lower, and maybe not fully understood, but it's the same sort of gist, it's a risk that people take.  People can die driving, but they take the risk because they deem it necessary, while others who don't see it as necessary don't bother.
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Whynaut

Quote from: Malachite on March 27, 2014, 12:57:18 PM
I would even take it a step farther....this is what I use for myself:  "You're going to be miserable.  Would you rather be a miserable transman with hormones or a miserable transman without hormones?"  If you go the hormone route, you will gain more masculinization, but if you go without, you will save more money and will be able to buy other stuff.  You just got to decide which route is more important to you.
Personally, resigning myself to be miserable no matter what is no way I want to live my life, and I hope other people feel the same.

I'm actually coming from another viewpoint in that I am a biologist and I find medicine fascinating. It's amazing how much we understand and with such a simple procedure (a needle injecting into a muscle) so much can be changed. I have to marvel at the workings of the world and I'm happy to be a part of something so complex, though it can be terrible and painful at times.

I firmly believe everyone has the power to be happy and love themselves, but it can be a long, rocky road.
"It's like everyone tells a story about themselves inside their own head. Always. All the time. That story makes you what you are. We build ourselves out of that story."
- The Name of the Wind
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King Malachite

Quote from: Whynaut on March 27, 2014, 01:03:03 PM
Personally, resigning myself to be miserable no matter what is no way I want to live my life, and I hope other people feel the same.

I'm sure 99 percent of people on this board feel the same as you.  There's no denying that.  The point was that if EVERYTHING is just going to be gloom and doom then pick the "lesser" of the two evils, whatever that may be.  My statement was not to be taken as an attack, but rather a measure of one's self how they want their life to be.  If it works, then great, but if not, oh well as there is plenty of other great advice here, though I'm not sure how much is actually helping the OP.

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Brandon

I never said I wasn't gonna take T or that I'm not thankful for it, All I said was that it's to much even the surgery itself is, Of course I'm gonna ask myself and God that at times why can't I be normal because Ill never feel I am and ill never quit asking God or myself that because there is always gonna be something that triggers that, Its not even just T o surgery its having to change your damn license, I'm staring fdrivers ed next week and I damn sure don't want Female or my birth name on it that's depressing so is having to get our birth certificate changed. Its stressful and I don't take stress very well.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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Ayden


Quote from: Brandon on March 27, 2014, 04:27:10 PM
I never said I wasn't gonna take T or that I'm not thankful for it, All I said was that it's to much even the surgery itself is, Of course I'm gonna ask myself and God that at times why can't I be normal because Ill never feel I am and ill never quit asking God or myself that because there is always gonna be something that triggers that, Its not even just T o surgery its having to change your damn license, I'm staring fdrivers ed next week and I damn sure don't want Female or my birth name on it that's depressing so is having to get our birth certificate changed. Its stressful and I don't take stress very well.

Brandon, no one here is saying you don't want to do XYZ. No one here is saying "inject and love it or GTFO".

Everyone here saying you have options and to do what you think will give you the best quality of life. Everyone here understands to greater or lesser degrees what you are experiencing. You are not alone in any of this.

We are all just saying that yes, it bites, but it's our lot to have these options available. We have all had to come to terms with it in a variety of different ways but in doing so, we have found its possible to happy, healthy, well adjusted men. Without personal acceptance this doesn't get better or easier.
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Brandon

Quote from: Ayden on March 27, 2014, 06:59:10 PM
Brandon, no one here is saying you don't want to do XYZ. No one here is saying "inject and love it or GTFO".

Everyone here saying you have options and to do what you think will give you the best quality of life. Everyone here understands to greater or lesser degrees what you are experiencing. You are not alone in any of this.

We are all just saying that yes, it bites, but it's our lot to have these options available. We have all had to come to terms with it in a variety of different ways but in doing so, we have found its possible to happy, healthy, well adjusted men. Without personal acceptance this doesn't get better or easier.





I do accept it but it doesn't mean I'm happy about it or that I'm just gonna all of the sudden be happy about it, I'm still am gonna be upset, I'm still in hs and when you see the freshman going through puberty and you don't even look your age of course your gonna get upset.


Its like my family who can't come together it hurts me but I accept it but it doesn't mean that I still don't get upset when I see other peoples families together.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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Ayden

Quote from: Brandon on March 27, 2014, 07:16:45 PM




I do accept it but it doesn't mean I'm happy about it or that I'm just gonna all of the sudden be happy about it, I'm still am gonna be upset, I'm still in hs and when you see the freshman going through puberty and you don't even look your age of course your gonna get upset.


Its like my family who can't come together it hurts me but I accept it but it doesn't mean that I still don't get upset when I see other peoples families together.

I'm not saying you have to happy about anything. It wasn't so long ago that I was in high school. I have brothers who are there now. I'm the only biological female in my family. I come from a very, very broken home.  I'm not saying you have to be happy about it. Am I happy that I have the family history I have? No, of course not. Am I happy that I have to live my life being going through problems other guys don't? No. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. What I am saying is that it gets better. When I was in school (again, really not long ago at all) I though my life was doomed to be awful. Don't get so caught up in where you are now. Do what you can. You don't have to be happy that you have a puberty you feel like shouldn't. But don't let that become your only focus. That's toxic. That's all I'm saying and that's what everyone else is saying. I can't offer you any advice outside what I have. I hope things better for you. I know life can be awesome. I wish someone had told me the same when I was your age. I don't have anything to add after this, but try and read again and see what everyone is saying. This is a support site and everyone here, whether you think so or not, understands where you are coming from.
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onebody

does anyone know how they implant testopel inside of you and are there side effects and is it dangerous to inject Sustanon??
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wheat thins are delicious

Quote from: onebody on March 28, 2014, 05:39:24 PM
does anyone know how they implant testopel inside of you and are there side effects and is it dangerous to inject Sustanon??

They make a small incision usually around the upper buttock, and use basically a giant syringe to inject the pellets into the incision.  Then they put a few stitches in the incision to prevent the pellets from working their way out.


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Jack_M

Quote from: Brandon on March 25, 2014, 10:19:10 PM

Well no I'm still planning to get T I was telling frank that I don't see it as a med and I believe hat God can heal things like diabetes, cancer ect ect even headaces Ive done it before I wasn't talking about my transition I was talking about meds in general.

God cannot heal these things, or at least definitely not alone. Religious beliefs aside this is not just incorrect, it's a dangerous view. One can pray while receiving proper treatment but diabetes and cancer are fatal if left untreated. The only diabetes that can be cured is type 2 . This is the type that is normally presented as a result of obesity and controlled with diet and pills initially, only moving to injected insulin if it gets worse. Type 1 is the type people are born with and unless they're extremely lucky around puberty, they have it for life and have to inject insulin, A HORMONE for life. There's current hope in stem cell research but a cure is still a long way away.

Testosterone is medication in the same way you might take paracetamol medication for a fever or headache. There's just no way to justify as anything but.

In my opinion you're just looking at it the wrong way. God can't give you a male reproduction system, but medical science can replicate it. Medical science can make you male, but no amount of praying will make you start producing male levels of Testosterone, lose breast tissue or grow a penis and testicles. That kinda view is just setting yourself up for failure. Instead of always thinking or asking why, look forward and imagine the result. None of us can change the past. However, you live in a time where you can be treated. Hell, mere decades ago if you were born with diabetes, you were essentially just waiting to die!

How many folks do you hear complaining about thyroid problems? There's yet another treated hormone problem.

Without life long management type 1 diabetics will die from diabetes. They have to inject all the time, every day. And even then, things can still go horribly wrong and they could still die from it.  I have a diabetic friend who is constantly in and out of hospital. I, myself, have reactive hypoglycaemia which is a bit like the opposite of diabetes that I have to manage all the time. I can't enjoy food the same way those without blood sugar problems can. I have to be sure to eat certain foods and watch every food label, etc. I'd love if my body had the correct functioning parts to handle that but it can't be cured right now, so instead I manage my blood sugar levels the same way I manage my T levels. With some treatments of T you can get a shot every month or so, slow releasing T pellets, or just inject every 1 or 2 weeks. Still nothing compared to a diabetic. They were born without correct parts themselves and that's why they need to inject. In comparison there's definitely commonality with trans individuals (especially transmen in terms of injecting) and diabetics, the difference is, medically speaking, the latter will die without treatment. Before any backlash, that is not to lessen trans individals needs, just that not all trans individuals feel the need for HRT, and, as mentioned in this thread, can medically survive without or when stopping treatment for a period of time. However for those that do require HRT I obviously do consider it a medical necessity as emotionally, without HRT, it can, in itself, be life threatening.

Also, as many have suggested, a lot of cis-men use T too. It's not a transman only drug. Right now I'm actually submitting medical letters and labs with another male friend of mine for international competition anti-doping purposes stating we both take Testosterone but are closely monitored to prove there's no abuse of the substance. He is not trans and doesn't know I am. My letters don't even state that, they merely say it is treatment for hypogonadism.

At the end of the day, it can help to remember that it could ALWAYS be worse. Personally when I get down I will often think of my issues as being first world problems. If i was in Africa I'd be more concerned about where my next meal or drink of water was coming from than getting my next T prescription, or letters from my endo so I can compete internationally. Sure, life will always be that little bit tougher, but I'm not dying of cancer, I'm not the father of a young child dying from cancer, I'm not starving, I don't have Aids,etc, etc. Instead, I may be an orphan, I may be a musician going deaf, I may have reactive hypoglycaemia, I may be likely to be in a wheelchair in the next decade or so, I may have to take 2 minutes to inject T every Sunday...but I'm alive and have food in my belly! And hell, if I dwell on the negatives, how will I enjoy the here and now?

I live by the 'someone always has it worse' principle. We can always bitch and moan, and that's always good; it's therapeutic, but coming round to the 'someone has it worse' idea can give you that proverbial slap in the face you need in order to move on.

Watching guys go through puberty at school is horrible, but with the 'Someone has it worse' principle, you live in a time and place where you're out at school and accepted. That's new. There's tons of us here where that couldn't happen. Many of us wore uniforms or went to all girls (or all boys for the transwomen) schools.  In some areas even now, it just wouldn't be safe to be out!

I'm not by any means telling you your issues mean nothing. We all have our own issues no matter how petty some may view them, but you either manage it or let it consume you. I'll full on admit that I've cried over my failing hearing. That I'll get angry that others don't have to have multiple ear surgeries; that any ear infections they get don't carry the risk of life threatening complications. But what gets me through is knowing that without the medical treatment we have today, or living in a country where that treatment is available, I'd already be dead. I was also born with hearing so at the very least I've had the time to enjoy it unlike those born deaf. And who knows what the future holds? There's already positive stem cell research in areas that could well help me. Perhaps even in this area something could even be done for transmen. Who knows what's going to happen in the medical field, especially for the young who have more time. In the grand scheme of things, I would honestly rather have been born without my ear problems than be born male. Why? I can't ever escape my ear probems. I know every day my hearing sucks. But through time I've fine tuned a way to manage being trans. It still affects me, of course, but surgery and injecting T is a part "cure". All the things that affect me now are either in private matters (relationship concerns) or when I stop and think about it. I'm stealth, so asfar as I, or anyone else is concerned, I'm just a regular dude, every day. Emotionally something will always be there but I can escape or forget about it for a good while. There's precious few moments in my life where I can forget how bad my ears are when I live with tinnitus!

So yeah, the way to look at it: is injecting T every now and again really that bad in the grand scheme of things?
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Brandon

Quote from: Jack_M on March 29, 2014, 11:52:07 PM
God cannot heal these things, or at least definitely not alone. Religious beliefs aside this is not just incorrect, it's a dangerous view. One can pray while receiving proper treatment but diabetes and cancer are fatal if left untreated. The only diabetes that can be cured is type 2 . This is the type that is normally presented as a result of obesity and controlled with diet and pills initially, only moving to injected insulin if it gets worse. Type 1 is the type people are born with and unless they're extremely lucky around puberty, they have it for life and have to inject insulin, A HORMONE for life. There's current hope in stem cell research but a cure is still a long way away.

Testosterone is medication in the same way you might take paracetamol medication for a fever or headache. There's just no way to justify as anything but.

In my opinion you're just looking at it the wrong way. God can't give you a male reproduction system, but medical science can replicate it. Medical science can make you male, but no amount of praying will make you start producing male levels of Testosterone, lose breast tissue or grow a penis and testicles. That kinda view is just setting yourself up for failure. Instead of always thinking or asking why, look forward and imagine the result. None of us can change the past. However, you live in a time where you can be treated. Hell, mere decades ago if you were born with diabetes, you were essentially just waiting to die!

How many folks do you hear complaining about thyroid problems? There's yet another treated hormone problem.

Without life long management type 1 diabetics will die from diabetes. They have to inject all the time, every day. And even then, things can still go horribly wrong and they could still die from it.  I have a diabetic friend who is constantly in and out of hospital. I, myself, have reactive hypoglycaemia which is a bit like the opposite of diabetes that I have to manage all the time. I can't enjoy food the same way those without blood sugar problems can. I have to be sure to eat certain foods and watch every food label, etc. I'd love if my body had the correct functioning parts to handle that but it can't be cured right now, so instead I manage my blood sugar levels the same way I manage my T levels. With some treatments of T you can get a shot every month or so, slow releasing T pellets, or just inject every 1 or 2 weeks. Still nothing compared to a diabetic. They were born without correct parts themselves and that's why they need to inject. In comparison there's definitely commonality with trans individuals (especially transmen in terms of injecting) and diabetics, the difference is, medically speaking, the latter will die without treatment. Before any backlash, that is not to lessen trans individals needs, just that not all trans individuals feel the need for HRT, and, as mentioned in this thread, can medically survive without or when stopping treatment for a period of time. However for those that do require HRT I obviously do consider it a medical necessity as emotionally, without HRT, it can, in itself, be life threatening.

Also, as many have suggested, a lot of cis-men use T too. It's not a transman only drug. Right now I'm actually submitting medical letters and labs with another male friend of mine for international competition anti-doping purposes stating we both take Testosterone but are closely monitored to prove there's no abuse of the substance. He is not trans and doesn't know I am. My letters don't even state that, they merely say it is treatment for hypogonadism.

At the end of the day, it can help to remember that it could ALWAYS be worse. Personally when I get down I will often think of my issues as being first world problems. If i was in Africa I'd be more concerned about where my next meal or drink of water was coming from than getting my next T prescription, or letters from my endo so I can compete internationally. Sure, life will always be that little bit tougher, but I'm not dying of cancer, I'm not the father of a young child dying from cancer, I'm not starving, I don't have Aids,etc, etc. Instead, I may be an orphan, I may be a musician going deaf, I may have reactive hypoglycaemia, I may be likely to be in a wheelchair in the next decade or so, I may have to take 2 minutes to inject T every Sunday...but I'm alive and have food in my belly! And hell, if I dwell on the negatives, how will I enjoy the here and now?

I live by the 'someone always has it worse' principle. We can always bitch and moan, and that's always good; it's therapeutic, but coming round to the 'someone has it worse' idea can give you that proverbial slap in the face you need in order to move on.

Watching guys go through puberty at school is horrible, but with the 'Someone has it worse' principle, you live in a time and place where you're out at school and accepted. That's new. There's tons of us here where that couldn't happen. Many of us wore uniforms or went to all girls (or all boys for the transwomen) schools.  In some areas even now, it just wouldn't be safe to be out!

I'm not by any means telling you your issues mean nothing. We all have our own issues no matter how petty some may view them, but you either manage it or let it consume you. I'll full on admit that I've cried over my failing hearing. That I'll get angry that others don't have to have multiple ear surgeries; that any ear infections they get don't carry the risk of life threatening complications. But what gets me through is knowing that without the medical treatment we have today, or living in a country where that treatment is available, I'd already be dead. I was also born with hearing so at the very least I've had the time to enjoy it unlike those born deaf. And who knows what the future holds? There's already positive stem cell research in areas that could well help me. Perhaps even in this area something could even be done for transmen. Who knows what's going to happen in the medical field, especially for the young who have more time. In the grand scheme of things, I would honestly rather have been born without my ear problems than be born male. Why? I can't ever escape my ear probems. I know every day my hearing sucks. But through time I've fine tuned a way to manage being trans. It still affects me, of course, but surgery and injecting T is a part "cure". All the things that affect me now are either in private matters (relationship concerns) or when I stop and think about it. I'm stealth, so asfar as I, or anyone else is concerned, I'm just a regular dude, every day. Emotionally something will always be there but I can escape or forget about it for a good while. There's precious few moments in my life where I can forget how bad my ears are when I live with tinnitus!

So yeah, the way to look at it: is injecting T every now and again really that bad in the grand scheme of things?



God can heal I've already seen it done as I old someone else I'm sorry you don't have faith and if that's all your gonna do is disrespect me and my religious belifs then don't comment on any of my post. And never did I say that God can give me a male reproduction system you need to learn how to read, To be honedt I'm not even going to take advice from some of you anymore.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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AdamMLP

Quote from: Brandon on March 30, 2014, 08:59:34 AM


God can heal I've already seen it done as I old someone else I'm sorry you don't have faith and if that's all your gonna do is disrespect me and my religious belifs then don't comment on any of my post. And never did I say that God can give me a male reproduction system you need to learn how to read, To be honedt I'm not even going to take advice from some of you anymore.

He wasn't disrespecting your belief, he was pointing out the fact that people can, and do, die from not receiving medical treatment, whether they have faith or not. And yes, it is dangerous to think otherwise, because you can die. If you have kids one day and they had diabetes then they could die too if it wasn't controlled.

And really, you're telling people to learn how to read? In this thread alone I've seen you miss the point several times.
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Jessica Merriman

OK everyone, this is a topic about whether "T" will have to be taken forever and NOT a spiritual topic. Please keep on topic of using, or not, "T" for life. Please debate spirituality on the correct forum. Thanks!
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Brandon

Quote from: lxndr on March 30, 2014, 09:04:10 AM
He wasn't disrespecting your belief, he was pointing out the fact that people can, and do, die from not receiving medical treatment, whether they have faith or not. And yes, it is dangerous to think otherwise, because you can die. If you have kids one day and they had diabetes then they could die too if it wasn't controlled.

And really, you're telling people to learn how to read? In this thread alone I've seen you miss the point several times.

Telling somene that God doesn't or can't heal is disrespectful to someone who believes he can, sorry you don't see that, And I can read but some of you don't give good advice.
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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