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Am I still searching or am I really 'androgyne'..?

Started by Feather, March 22, 2014, 01:25:50 PM

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HughE

I have a feeling of being partly a man and partly a woman, to the point where at times it feels a lot like I'm made up of a separate male and female identity. My perception of myself is that I have a tendency to veer between a more masculine and more feminine presentation too.

In my case I'm fairly sure that I know what happened: I was exposed to a high dose of synthetic female hormones partway through the second trimester of my mother's pregnancy with me, that temporarily suppressed my testosterone production and caused the early stages of the process of "wiring up" the permanent structure of my brain to go down the female pathway instead of the male one. Although I'll probably never know for sure what happened, my mother suffered a great deal from depression when I was younger, and it has all the hallmarks of a failed attempt to end the pregnancy by taking an overdose of something (probably birth control pills).

Irrespective of what caused it, my theory is that the period of very low testosterone caused some of my brain regions to be "wired up" as female while other parts (that developed later in the pregnancy) are male, and one effect of this is that it's created enough of a division so that the male and female parts of my brain have each acquired their own separate, self-aware identities. There's the male part which has logic, reasoning and the use of language (and is the part writing this), however there's another, female, part of me who has complex movement, instinct and emotion. It's quite a tricky situation, since each part of me wants completely different things. During my childhood the differences between us weren't so great and we worked quite well together as a team, but all hell broke loose when I hit my teens, and throughout my adult life (until recently) we've basically been at war with each other. That's the theory I've come up with anyway.

The known facts are that I'm suffering from secondary hypogonadism, and have signs of having had below normal male levels of testosterone all my life. The way arousal and orgasm works in me is also a lot more like what you typically see in women rather than men too - I need foreplay, and have to gradually build up to having an orgasm via a series of peaks and troughs of arousal, rather than just continuously becoming more aroused until climax occurs (as seems to happen in most men). Although my instinct is to seek out casual sex, I've never been able to "let go" enough during sex with a stranger to actually achieve orgasm, rendering the whole exercise rather pointless. My body language is feminine to the point where, throughout my adult life, most people seem to have assumed I must be gay; and I think my instinctive behaviour in most social situations is more like that of a woman's than a man's too. However there are other parts of me that seem to be much the same as what you typically see in men, and in fact I score as quite strongly male in the brain sex tests I've tried.

In the course of trying to figure myself out, I've discovered that there is a large, hidden population of MAAB people who've ended up intersexed and/or suffering from gender dysphoria as a result of prenatal exposure to the synthetic estrogen DES. Many of their life experiences seem to closely parallel my own, which makes me fairly certain that I also was prenatally exposed to synthetic hormones. Going on what I've seen with DES, there must be literally millions of male-assigned people alive today who've had their prenatal sexual development messed up by exposure to synthetic hormones, and I've been trying to get some kind of acknowledgement that there is a problem with these drugs (so far without much success unfortunately).

There's a thread here at Susans's about DES:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,84224.0.html

There's also a forum for bigender people at:
http://www.bigender.net/forum/index.php
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Pica Pica

A lovely sane bit of Johnson about the grass being greener,

"Such is the state of every age, every sex, and every condition: all have their cares, either from nature or from folly; and whoever, therefore, finds himself inclined to envy another, should remember that he knows not the real condition which he desires to obtain, but is certain that by indulging a vicious passion, he must lessen that happiness which he thinks already too sparingly bestowed."
Johnson: Rambler #128

I do think that there is a lot of to-ing and fro-ing at the start of an androgyne journey. My experience is to have settled into it more comfortably as time has progressed but that may not be true for everyone.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Taka

androgyne will often be very close in meaning to "still searching".
i have been searching for a few years, found comfortable places, left uncomfortable places, met with a lot of frustration and uncertainty.
in the end, i realize, i've enjoyed it all, and it all is part of me.
i'll keep on searching, and call what i do "androgyny". and one day i might surprise myself that i've settled in as only one gender. currently, i find myself hoping that this will never actually happen.
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helen2010

Quote from: Taka on March 27, 2014, 07:04:43 AM
androgyne will often be very close in meaning to "still searching".
i have been searching for a few years, found comfortable places, left uncomfortable places, met with a lot of frustration and uncertainty.
in the end, i realize, i've enjoyed it all, and it all is part of me.
i'll keep on searching, and call what i do "androgyny". and one day i might surprise myself that i've settled in as only one gender. currently, i find myself hoping that this will never actually happen.
Taka

I am in a similar place.  I see myself as androgyne or perhaps more properly gender queer.  I do not see pursuit of a binary outcome as necessary or particularly compelling.  However finding balance, a self authored, authentic identity and life experience is a rare and valuable thing.  This is what I cherish and this is what I seek.

Safe travels

Aisla
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sanderlay

For me... feeling like myself does vary from day to day, sometimes more of a desire to be feminine and other times more masculine.  It shifts was no predictable pattern I've noticed so far.  I do lean more often toward the feminine side in general.  But I do not feel like only a man or a woman.  It is in between.  I'm never one or the other.  So my gender presentation has been more mixed to feel myself.

I think for myself I need both sides.  If I was to deny one, as I did when I only presented as male and trying to suppress my femininity, I would feel wrong.  I believe I need both my masculine and my feminine to be my true self and not to feel any dysphoria.

But there are moments I continue to question this... especially when I feel more feminine.  But I remind myself that few have the gift to feel both sides.  :)
I strive to have a smile, be happy and be myself.
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Space Pirate

At this point, Androgyne to me just means wearing whatever I want, styling my hair and makeup any way I want, and relating to people and things however I feel at the time without worrying about who or what I am.  It's hard sometimes to stop thinking about it and let go.  But if I apply any effort to my identity anymore it's that.
Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane.

-Philip K Dick
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Kinkly

The only suggestion I can give is to expierement if you are concerned about how you will be treated then start with wearing female clothes that are rather androgynous on days you feel you need to present as female.  I know how scary it can be to go out when you know you don't pass.  Some people can be nastie but some people are really amazing. Once you loose the fear and get the confidence to just be you in public even if you don't even try to pass,  it can feel amazing especially to start with.  Just be you, what ever that means for you being bi-gender or fluid and needing to present in that moment can be very complex and cross dressing information my be more useful then transitioning info then again low level HRT might help to bring you into a middle space where it is a little easier to pass  either way.
I don't want to be a man there from Mars
I'd Like to be a woman Venus looks beautiful
I'm enjoying living on Pluto, but it is a bit lonely
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Feather

Right, so I did a complete make over (fully dressed, wig, make up etc. for the first time) at a tg/crossdressing place. The people were so kind and understanding. I was nervous and unsure about it first. It just felt so goddamn nice and blissful. I know without a shred of doubt I should have been born a girl. I just feel drab as a male.. like it's always raining (and not gentle rain but big hail stones). It was an amazing experience.. I felt nothing but bliss when I got home. It was unreal. Today it is daily life again as a male and the magic disappears.. :embarrassed:
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MadelineB

Congratulations on your first night out. Glad you had such a marvelous experience. In this life, our expressions and how we interact with the world are ours to chose and to change as our heart directs.
Follow your bliss. If you feel like you, and you feel truly alive, then you are doing it right. For some of us, what that is changes from day to day; for some it becomes clear in time that we are most ourselves in one way of being. Either way it is the house of joy, and you have the only keys. -Maddie
History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

Personal Blog: Madeline's B-Hive
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finallyout

Feather,  I have the same confusion
some days I just want to be female others I am fine as a male
I always thought life would have been so much easier if I had been born as a female
I tend to want that side more
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