Quote from: FA on April 17, 2014, 10:51:24 AM
I wonder if BPD is part of this. Is there any medication? Sorry, if you mentioned this before and I missed it, but do you have a therapist?
I don't know much about how BPD works, but I know a lot of trans people are diagnosed. Now I understand a little more, I remember this guy on here that could never decide if he was ftm or not. And he did mention the fake feeling. I don't think I was that helpful because I didn't understand. I just thought people know whether they're trans and if they don't they should hold off. And when I started, that was kind of the thinking - all transsexuals have to transition and if you don't, you must not be trans. And if you don't have bad enough dysphoria, you must not be trans. If you don't 'know' deep down you're the opposite sex, you must not be trans.
I think it's moved on a bit now, and there's more understanding. Probably helped along by the non binary peeps. Especially here. The androgyne board has helped a lot with that. Helped me too, even though I still primarily identify as male. I identify with the binary less and less as time goes on.
Sorry, don't know if this fits what you're talking about. I know you said it's not just a trans thing. And that might be BPD. I think it can fit most 'label' stuff though. The human mind categorizes people into neat little rows of boxes upon boxes. And that was probably really important back when you had to quickly know if someone was of your tribe or not, threat or not. Less important today.
We live in a much more global world now. And you can't tell by the looks of somebody how they fit into the world. Not really, anyway. Oftentimes, you can't even tell what country or religion someone is just by looking at them. And now, you often can't even tell what sex someone is. Or whether they have the equipment needed for your type of sex or not. I guess that's scary to some people.
So, what if you just don't label it? Your gender or anything else. People are always going to categorize you. And there's only so much you can do to steer that to a certain label or not. People see a person and make a ton of assumptions. Sadly, these assumptions often include whether the person deserves certain treatment or not. That's the real problem.
Yeah it definitely is... unfortunately I have the kind of BPD that really seems to be complex ptsd which is very similar but makes people lose a sustaining hope in life. And it doesn't have as bad interpersonal issues, like intrusiveness, but it has serious attachment and dependency issues. And all the emotional regulation/depressive features. It really feels like I'm stuck in groundhog day, except time moves on for everybody else, and I know I'm never getting out of here, and I know I can't gain or lose anything. Yeah, in groundhog day, Bill Murray just starts doing bad stuff for the thrill because nothing matters. Then just killing himself over and over again. The more and more time goes on, the more impulsive and unstable i get. Cuz I'm always in Limbo, and the longer I've been here the more certain I am that I'm really stuck here and I want to rip everything apart just to feel like it mattered at all.
I still have wonky ideas about being trans. I feel like there are people who are basically fundamentally medically trans, and that's a really uncommon thing, and doesn't even necessitate feeling trans, and then most trans people are not biologically compelled to transition but acquire reasons to thru their life experiences. And most people fall into that second group, and it's not less valid, but a lot of trans people are afraid it's less valid and assert that they belong to the first group without any real medical precedent. And yeah, people who do that get rolled into my view of how people are fake, not intentionally fake, because i know it seems real to them, but I happen to know how easy it is to get seriously attached to feelings and convince yourself of anything, real or not, to support it. But all I see is people trying to prove something that they shouldn't have to in the first place... I just don't think it matters. I mean, did it matter when people have gone crazy trying to make people accept how valid they are and then five years later they detransition and realize it wasn't for them? Nobody holds that against them... it was a stupid argument to be in to begin with. People just do stuff and it's okay, right?
I say people are fake because they draw all these lines between everything that don't exist. They reframe things so much for no reason and then create a reality that is only even there subjectively, it just works because they get with like-minded people and try to force everyone else out of the club. There's so much of that on this forum too, so much factiony crap. Because they want to believe that their subjective is objective. It's not, and it doesn't matter. I just know that. I just know that all the lines i want to draw in everything don't mean anything. There's no such thing as trans validity. I mean when you make a map, you draw borders between states or disticts or provinces or countries..., and just the fact that someone made up those borders changes the culture on either side. But either side of the border is still just a bunch of nearly identical land. I don't get gender identity. It's like saying i was born American. I was born in America but this culture did its stuff to me after that. Americanness doesn't effervesce outta anyone's soul. Gender is a fake line to me. That's why we can keep making up new genders, they're like their own little states that people can make into something special on a personal level. Sex is an objective line. Sex is the landscape of gender. You can't change your sex. I don't have gendr because I can't believe it is real. All I see is my sex and how I'm behaving so maybe that can communicate why I feel so meh about being trans. I'm having to be fake like everybody else. Only it only looks fake to me. I'm like... a bird. New York? Quebec? Wtf are those? I just wanna hang where it's warm.
I mean, i see both sides of it though. I get the fake part I just can't take it seriously. But everyone else does to some extent because they can form attachments to things like that. They can keep their culture. That's why it's frustrating
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Forgetting gender and labels, for a moment. What do you like? What did you like when you were a kid? There are a few things you're sure about, right? You prefer men. You tend to prefer feminine stuff. You like fashion. Right? You do have an identity. It may just be hard to categorize it.
I just don't know.

i can't separate what's me from what I do/like just to suit the labels. As a kid i didn't like anything specific i was just hypersocial. I would do anything with other people, I had almost no standards. I was really unusual for a kid. And I've done a bit of everything. I just ended up saying I like femme thinga more cause it suited me better. I mean I do like them, but again I don't know if I like them for what they are because i don't know if I like anything like that. My sexuality is probably the same, though honestly in reality i never wanted to do things with girls. I guess that's an exception? Or i never had a reason to? Idk. I don't like thinking about it too much. It took me till about 20 to even become open to the idea of being sexual again and I have a lot of warped views about my role in it. I think it's the role preference that makes me functionally only into guys even though in principle i call myself pan.
Sorry, am i being crazy here? Stupid question?

I hate talking about this but I also always want to because carrying it around gets so tiring. Thanks for putting up with me.
EDIT: oh... though, you know, te one thing that does sort of ground me to femininity is that when I say I've done a little of everyhing, it really means everything except there is a cutoff with really masculine things. There's a point where I just genuinely can't get interested past, even for fake reasons. Like, pretty much nothing has ever managed to get me into team sports, cars, guns, army stuff, actiony things in general.. anything really masculine like that I just have never experienced in my life and never felt like it even if people around me did. But there isn't a similar cutoff for femininity. But like I said, I never had male friends either so, that could be why... but just thinking about it, I can't see a way i could like those things. And I don't enjoy competition in general.
So who knows, maybe i'm just being hystrionic about all of this but... it definitely feels worthy of it to me. :/
Quote from: kate on April 17, 2014, 11:46:27 AM
I deleted my facebook and other social media accounts a long time ago. Mainly because it is literally spoon fed bull->-bleeped-<-. Ofc people try to portray themselves in a certain way, they want to look good, appear successful, appear happy! And some may indeed very well be, but i just grew really tired of it. Pointless to be on it and your only feeding information to be data mined. That and it's weird how people can now find out so much about someone without having to meet them.
In regards to your own identity, be whoever you want to be. Why do you feel you have to pretend to be something your not? I don't mean to offend with this next statement, but your in a similar position to someone who is FtM or identifies as gender queer. To my understanding, you are living as a female but want to be a boy.
I hate social media just because iit throws me into this horrible confusion about what to present of myself to a general audience. I just end up hating myself that I am not everyone and everything. It's so weird.
I don't really pretend though... I mean it's not consciously like that, I just convince myself of things so I don't have to feel so empty.

but when they disappear or feel unimportant again it feels bad.