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Feeling much more comfortable about asking gal pals over...

Started by Ms Grace, November 15, 2014, 01:59:22 PM

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Ms Grace

As a dude I used to feel very uncomfortable about asking women who I was friends with over to my place for a chat and a cuppa/coffee. I had no intention of sex but I always felt extremely uncomfortable about being alone with them, that the unspoken possibility of sex was ever present, even if I wasn't remotely attracted to them. I was always happy to keep things platonic but always felt on the edge. Very frustrating!

On Friday night I got a lift home from an ex colleague following a function, we sat outside my place in her car chatting for a while and I figured it might be more comfortable inside so asked her up for a cup of tea. I've had a few lifts home from her over the years when we were colleagues, but this was the first with me in girl mode.and it's the first time I've ever even felt remotely comfortable asking her in. There's no way I would have before, even though she is nine years older and in a long term relationship I just felt extremely uncomfortable about the idea of us being alone indoors. (Stupid I know, possibly something I should have talked to a therapist about but I've only just recently become aware of what I was doing back then.)

We had a nice chat over our cup of tea for about an hour and she left and I felt really good about the whole thing. It was a new experience and it was great to finally feel so comfortable about having a woman friend over.

Anyone else find this?
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Foxglove

Hi, Grace!  I don't invite anybody to my house because it's such an embarrassment to me.  No need to go into the details.  Suffice it to say that the landlord, who lives in the bottom half of the house, does nothing to maintain the property.

However, I quite often meet up with girlfriends in a café and I'm a member of an all-woman book club, and it's always a very nice experience.  Being one of the girls is fabulous.

I was recently recalling two incidents that beautifully illustrate the difference between being in the closet and being out.

(1) Many years ago (long before I was out) I was in a town I didn't know at all and was looking for a public building.  Not totally sure which way to go, I approached the nearest person, who happened to be a youngish woman, to ask for directions.  As soon as I said, "Excuse me!", she tensed up.  Fortunately she quickly saw that I was one of "the good ones" and just an out-of-towner looking for directions.  At that point she relaxed, became perfectly friendly and got me where I wanted to go.

(2) A few months ago I went to a nearby town for the afternoon.  In the evening, as I was waiting for the train back home, a woman came into the station, went to the ticket office and found the door locked.  She wanted to ask somebody about that, so she had a look around.  There were three of us waiting for the train--me and two young lads.  So she approached me.  She simply needed a timetable and was wondering when the office would be open.  Being from out of town, I couldn't tell her, but I did have a timetable with me.  (I always do when I'm travelling.)  So I simply gave her mine, telling her that I could get another one later.  At which point we got into a bit of chat.  She needed a timetable because she was going to have to make several trips over the next couple of weeks, etc.  Then she went on her way.

So the difference between being in and out: when you're in, a woman is nervous when you approach her.  When you're out, a woman is perfectly comfortable approaching you.  Who wants to be in?
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Ms Grace

Quote from: Foxglove on November 15, 2014, 02:45:02 PM
However, I quite often meet up with girlfriends in a café and I'm a member of an all-woman book club, and it's always a very nice experience.  Being one of the girls is fabulous.

Oh yes, I certainly have never had any problem meeting up at cafés and the like. It's the being alone together thing that has always had me on edge. It's like I didn't trust myself (or them??) that sexual advances wouldn't happen. Dumb I know.

I certainly seem to be the "ask directions" person, people have approached me all the time to help them find their way regardless of being in guy or girl mode.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Tori

Last night a lady friend called me up, it was pretty late and she asked if I could rescue her from a bad house guest. I told her I would be right there. Picked her up, took her home and shared a bottle of wine with her and my wife. All the while I was thinking, "I am making girl friends!"


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TSJasmine

I'm sorry you've felt that way :/ That must be so odd. I've always hung out with girls & had girls coming over for sleep overs since I was 12 haha I'm glad you're getting more comfortable though :) We should always feel ourselves around our kind of people & everyone in general honestly.
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Eevee

I know the feeling of having trouble with this before transitioning. Before I came out, it always seemed like that sexual tension was always there whenever I was just hanging out with a girl (even around other friends). It was the last thing on my to-do list at any time, but I've had several occasions where a girl was trying to get me to sleep with her the whole time. I think I've just had one single female friend who that hasn't been an issue with. Unfortunately, she moved away over a year ago.

Right now I do have a few female friends. They're married/engaged, so I don't have that in the way with them. Another lives in Finland and we talk on Skype, and she has always been cool with me. I've also come out to everyone, so most of my friends aren't acting like I'm a man anymore. That's making things so much easier.

Eevee
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MelissaAnn

Hi Grace,

How exciting and very rewarding for you, sweetie. I know exactly what you're talking about. There seems to be this unwritten rule that men and women can't be just friends. Although I seem to be the exception to that rule because I have many female friends, even before I came out, I always did consider myself straight and was very much attracted to women. I don't know what it was or is maybe it's my mannerisms, the way I talk, but something always put them at ease and let them know that I meant them no harm. I do have to say, though, since coming out a lot of my female friends are now treat me like one of the girls even though I'm not in girl mode yet.

Hugs,

Melissa Ann

barbie

I do not know well what is happening among women in other countries, but here body touches among women are quite natural and popular. I can judge whether a woman recognizes me as a man or woman by her body touch to me. Once they accept me as a woman, they easily touch my body, for example, my hands and waist.

In the following photos, a woman is putting her arm around my waist, as I am taller than her and it is easier.



In the case of the woman in the left photo, she was from Canada, and asked cautiously which gender I prefer being called. I replied "She". In the right photo, the women in the left was from Malaysia, treating me as a woman.

barbie~~
Just do it.
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Ms Grace

I find these days that women stand a lot closer to me when they are talking to me.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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katiej

Grace, I totally get it.   And good for you!  :)

As a married guy, I had always avoided one-on-one situations with other women just out of a sense of propriety.  Although I now see that it was also repressed gender issues...knowing that I couldn't have the kind of relationship with them that I wanted.  But those issues are now clearing up nicely.

I had dinner with some friends a few nights ago and spent the evening talking with a woman I hadn't met before.  We hit it off and would up walking together quite a ways back to our cars.  We wanted to keep talking, but it was also a safety issue...late night, downtown, I didn't want to walk by myself and neither did she.  And this was really the first time that I felt like I was just one of the girls.  It was such a great feeling.
"Before I do anything I ask myself would an idiot do that? And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." --Dwight Schrute
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TSJasmine

Wow this is so interesting! I've seriously never noticed the difference with how men & girls are treated. I'm somewhat lucky I never got to experience it (or actually notice it) but I find it so interesting. Maybe that's why people think I'm really flirty? I treat everyone the same but I suppose I am a bit closer with girls (for obvious reasons). I am a generally outgoing person though & I'm very chatty & friendly regardless of a person's gender. If I'm not attracted to you I'll probably be even chattier because I don't feel like I have to watch anything I'm saying. Now I'm curious if all men feel that odd way you guys have felt or if you only felt it because you were trans? If so, maybe I should watch out with who I'm super friendly with because they might be feeling an odd undertone of sexual tension through my friendliness haha
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Ms Grace

Well today I was talking with another female friend, I said we should catch up soon and she reminded me "we (her and hubby) have a pool". Previously I knocked back those invitations, I never felt comfortable being with her at her place without her husband present (and no less uncomfortable with him there either); plus I always felt weird, stupid and awkward in male swimming attire... but this time I just said "cool, we'll I've got a swimming costume so let's make it a date!" ;D

Quote from: TSJasmine on November 16, 2014, 02:36:32 AM
...Now I'm curious if all men feel that odd way you guys have felt or if you only felt it because you were trans? If so, maybe I should watch out with who I'm super friendly with because they might be feeling an odd undertone of sexual tension through my friendliness haha

You only need to see some of the other posts on this forum to see how confusing it can be for some people to have other people be nice and chatty to them... "do they like me? are they attracted to me? are they coming on to me?" are common responses.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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TSJasmine

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 16, 2014, 02:39:54 AM
Well today I was talking with another female friend, I said we should catch up soon and she reminded me "we (her and hubby) have a pool". Previously I knocked back those invitations, I never felt comfortable being with her at her place without her husband present (and no less uncomfortable with him there either); plus I always felt weird, stupid and awkward in male swimming attire... but this time I just said "cool, we'll I've got a swimming costume so let's make it a date!" ;D

You only need to see some of the other posts on this forum to see how confusing it can be for some people to have other people be nice and chatty to them... "do they like me? are they attracted to me? are they coming on to me?" are common responses.

Omg that's true haha I know the thought's run through my head sometimes too. I swear there was a boy at school who liked me. He would sit next to me & always talk to me & poke me during class (x But anyways, I understand the thoughts. He was overly nice & it's sometimes odd because some super straight men don't feel comfortable talking to us because of our situation. I try not to over think those things though because guys are pretty irrelevant tbh :p I've dealt with a whole lot of them & they aren't the first thing on my mind haha (or so I try to tell myself *cough* *cough*)
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Emmaline

That is great news Grace!

It is nice to finally belong to a side.  I could not understand or engage with men comfortably, and was always far better with women, but there was always the feeling of exclusion of being 'other'.

Now I can form friendships effortlessly with girls.  I can even stop strangers at the park, get into a conversation about their dog/hair/clothes/make-up... anything and be totally comfortable.  Easy peasy.  I think it is both me being comfortable in my gender, and them being comfortable enguaging me because I am less threatening and naturally 'speak woman'.
For the first time in my life I am utterly capable of walking up to someone at a bar and just chatting.

I am also less afraid to invite myself back into their lives... Taking phone numbers, making plans, inviting them to gatherings.  Before it was "why the hell woul they want to spend time with me?"
Body... meet brain.  Now follow her lead and there will be no more trouble, you dig?



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Allyda

In my case I've always had more girl friends than guy friends. Since I've been full time tho I have noticed a difference in how close women stand while chatting with me, and though nothing sexual, the more intimate our conversations have become. Just the other day i was talking to my next door neighbors wife about something or other, and all of a sudden she just grabbed me by the hand to lead me into another room so she could show me something. This type of thing happens to me all the time. It's like other women feel very comfortable around me even after finding out I'm lesbian. It's a wonderful feeling to just feel accepted and to belong as the gender I've always been. And tho it's been 6 years now since I've been full time the feeling never get's old.

As far as inviting female friends over to my home? I do that a lot and have several girl friends who regularly stop by for the latest gossip and weekly "what's going on with everyone" sessions. It just feels so wonderful to have as many friends as I do now vs. before when i kept myself shut away from public inside my home.

Ally :icon_flower:
Allyda
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Foxglove

When you switch camps, there are all kinds of advantages, big and small.  Once a friend of mine told me a very funny story about her bra.  Not the kind of story she'd tell a man, I don't think.  When a woman is willing to share little things like that, you really feel you're getting somewhere.
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Ms Grace

Well I certainly strived to be the kind of "man" that women could talk to about their stuff, one on one or in a group. And that worked... up to a point. I was even considered "an honorary woman"...up to a point. Gender segregation really killed me though because it said "nope they don't see you as one of the girls". That feels like it's a thing of the past now.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Emmaline

Me too Grace, I felt sharply aware of that boundary even though I was best friends with girls.

It's great that has gone... And yes, even though I am open about being a lesbian I still get hugged if I am down, they stand close to me and accept me.

Mmmm.  Like being in a warm bed on a cold morning.  So comforting.
Body... meet brain.  Now follow her lead and there will be no more trouble, you dig?



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