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Started by Chris R., September 25, 2014, 11:13:01 AM

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Chris R.

Hello guys,
Ever since I came out I've been wondering about all the different surgeries available.
Can someone (post-op and pre-op who's well informed) tell me about different surgeries with phallo and meta? What else is there? How do they work? And so on and so forth.
I've never really been sure about which one I should do (or if I'll ever do one, and I probably will), so a bit of clarification would be great.
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blink

I'm pre-bottom op but have done a fair bit of reading, particularly on metodioplasty. I can summarize, hopefully someone with personal experience, or someone who is more well-read will chime in.

There are several variations on both metoidioplasty and phalloplasty. With both procedures, sexual sensation and orgasm will most likely still be possible.

All versions of metoidioplasty use the growth of the clitoris from T (some guys also use topical DHT and/or pumping). The finished size of the phallus depends primarily on what was there for the surgeon to work with. Some guys don't get much growth.
Because the clitoris is homologous to the penis, it is erectile tisue and can become erect spontaneously/naturally.

Some options/variables with metoidioplasty: With/without partial or complete vaginectomy, with/without urethral lengthening (urethral reconstruction so it runs through the phallus), with/without testicular implants. Some people get a procedure called a "simple metoidioplasty" or "clitoral release" where the clitoris/small phallus is freed from some connective tissues, allowing it to protrude more and "stand up" with naturally occurring erections - but leave everything else unaltered, including the urethra and vagina.
Some people get this and testicular implants but opt out of a vaginectomy. Some surgeons vary the procedure to add more girth to the phallus (such as with Centurion). There's a lot of variation.
Here's a Wiki article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metoidioplasty


Phalloplasty uses tissue taken from one or more donor sites on the patient's body to construct a new phallus. Phalloplasty can be done either as an additional procedure after a metoidioplasty (some guys opt to have metodioplasty, and then phalloplasty later, for various reasons), or without metoidioplasty. The clitoris can be incorporated into the base of a phalloplasty, and nerves can spread throughout the new phallus. The old "you won't have sexual sensation after phalloplasty" claim is a myth.
There are several versions of phalloplasty, one of the obvious differences being the donor site(s) for the tissue graft. There is more range for potential finished size of the phallus, depending mostly on choice of donor site(s) and patient preference. It is not erectile tissue. Guys who get phalloplasty and wish for erections have options, including semi-rigid pliable implants, inflatable implants, and external methods like wearing two condoms or using a special kind of wrap.

When viewing photos of any surgical procedure, keep in mind things look very different "fresh" vs. having had time to heal. Also keep in mind some procedures are staged and a photo might have been taken before the final stage. E.g. a photo before a glansplasty (shaping the "head" of the phallus) will be quite different than after.
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalloplasty

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mangoslayer

Blink pretty much covered the basics, so i'm not going to repeat what he said. But I personally have had phallo and can do my best to answer any specific questions.
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Chris R.

Thank you blink!
I've never really had an interest for metoidoplasty, as I don't really think I'll get much growth, I don't really care about natural erection (though it would be a nice bonus) and I do want something that isn't quite small. Sure, I don't want a huge one but hey, I'm compensating for my small stature (height has always been a huge issue for me, even though there are quite a lot of guys who are as tall as me).
I'm mostly interested in phalloplasty, since I'm probably going to choose that one. The question is: I don't really know which one is better.
I'm looking for a decent sized (from 14 cm to 18 cm mainly, though 15/16 would be perfect for me) and realistic one mainly. I've been trying to look for final results but I never seem to find pictures, so I can't really know how it's going to look like, and every penis I've seen post-op are kind of... squishy, it just seems like it wouldn't really pass as a "realistic" one to me.
Not being able to find decent information about it nor pictures I might be wrong, and I hope I am. So if anyone could explain a bit about the various surgeries concerning phalloplasty, their pros and cons, and so on and so forth- it would be a great help.
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jonjon

I am part way through phalloplasty, having had my stage 1 op 7weeks ago. Even at this early stage I'm very pleased with the cosmetics of my neo-phallus (apart from it being a tad hairy lol) so hair removal is something to consider. My procedure was the using the radial artery forearm donor site. Yes, it's floppy looking, but it's weight and the way it hangs feels like a natural one. I am assuming when I get the erectile device fitted (I have def decided I am going for this) it will give it a more natural rigid feeling, but that's just my guess and expectation.

Of my own experience so far, I'd say the cons would be the visible scarring on my arm (though tbf, it doesn't phase me as much as it might others). The recovery time is long and both mentally and physical exhausting. Especially since there are potentially 4 operations in total. So combined with this can it's also lengthy. There's the issue of having a hairy penis so that's something that would need to be remedied at some point. And a personal con for me is inbetween stages things get 'rearranged' and a tad messy so I'm not even sure right now where things are!! Lol its turned my breaking free of the hornies into a bit of a treasure hunt lol

Pro's however I would say the cosmetics of the neo-phallus far outweighed my expectations. I have something of a good size (despite me having seriously skinny arms). I will be able to stand to pee. I will be able to have penetrative sex. There's a good chance of sensation (but nothing yet, still time). It feels natural to me. To me the pros are worth so much more than the cons emotionally.

That's just my input and don't forget I'm only part way through completion. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help :)
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Bimmer Guy

Quote from: Chris R. on September 25, 2014, 11:13:01 AM
Hello guys,
Ever since I came out I've been wondering about all the different surgeries available.
Can someone (post-op and pre-op who's well informed) tell me about different surgeries with phallo and meta? What else is there? How do they work? And so on and so forth.
I've never really been sure about which one I should do (or if I'll ever do one, and I probably will), so a bit of clarification would be great.

Hudson's Guide may be helpful.

http://www.ftmguide.org/grs.html
Top Surgery: 10/10/13 (Garramone)
Testosterone: 9/9/14
Hysto: 10/1/15
Stage 1 Meta: 3/2/16 (including UL, Vaginectomy, Scrotoplasty), (Crane, CA)
Stage 2 Meta: 11/11/16 Testicular implants, phallus and scrotum repositioning, v-nectomy revision.  Additional: Lipo on sides of chest. (Crane, TX)
Fistula Repair 12/21/17 (UPenn Hospital,unsuccessful)
Fistula Repair 6/7/18 (Nikolavsky, successful)
Revision: 1/11/19 Replacement of eroded testicle,  mons resection, cosmetic work on scrotum (Crane, TX)



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mangoslayer

I had my first stage of forearm phalloplasty a year and a few months ago.
I plan to have medical tattooing and a little revision on the head in addition to my second stage for the implants. Even without those things it looks pretty good. Passable from a distance, i've been naked around other men and no problems. Not sure what you mean by squishy. Penises are squishy in general. I'm no squishier than a cis man, but i have heard that I might lose some fat in the penis over time/with weight loss.
If you are not already part of them, i suggest joining the yahoo group ftmphalloplasty info. It has way more pictures than you can find on google.

Pros:
Dysphoria is practically gone.
sensation is great. As good as or better than before.
Aesthetically pretty good, as i mentioned.
will be able to pee standing up once im done with my urethral complications

cons
the scar obviously
really long process
i had numerous complications ( my situation isn't typical but definitely something to consider)
Very painful in the beginning
cant get hard naturally
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mm

mangoslayer,  How are you doing with resolving your urethral complications?  Standing to pee is the result I really want to have when I have bottom surgery.
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mangoslayer

Quote from: mm on September 30, 2014, 01:14:56 PM
mangoslayer,  How are you doing with resolving your urethral complications?  Standing to pee is the result I really want to have when I have bottom surgery.

Doing good. I had to have a buccal mucosa (inner cheek) graft placed because of a recurring stricture. It needs to heal for 3 months and be left open. I'm currently peeing from behind my balls. In december I am scheduled to have that closed up and then I should be all done. My doctor said he's done thousands of this procedure and has only had one or two guys require further surgery, so pretty good odds.

Even if you have complications, you will still be able to pee standing up eventually if you are willing to go through the extra procedures to repair them. Unless you lose the phallus completely you will be able to eventually stand to pee.
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