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Super awkward work situtaion, also I think I am what I hate.

Started by Rachel85, May 08, 2014, 09:37:56 AM

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Rachel85

So tonight I had one of the most awkward moments of my adult life and I feel absolutely terrible and just awful.

Okay, so I'm at work doing all nursing type stuff and a colleague walks in. We have worked together for about 5 months and once I'd got over the whole "wow I wish I could look like you" phase we became decent work acquaintances. Not super close, not by a long shot, but we do joke around and get along well, can probably never see each other even bumping into each other at the shops even but still at work, friends.

Our normal uniform consist of scrubs which are as flattering as sackcloth and she walks in dressed as if she had come straight from fashion week. I know she is a very attractive woman but work uniforms like that kind of ruin any sort of normality that you attach to people. I'm in the middle of doing something inane but I look up and literally lost my footing, stumbled and said something extremely intelligent like "Wow, you look amazing". My colleague, lets call her K, says "I felt really awkward coming straight to work like this" and goes to start her shift.

So. Well, no I didn't wolfwhistle but I feel like I may as well have. I just have this sinking feeling in my stomach that I have just done exactly what I hate. I'm still not out at work so this must have been seen by K as me, a "guy" (shudder) co-worker objectifying her. I am the exact reason why she didn't feel comfortable in coming to work dressed as she was. There is this idea that female doctors and nurses have to "slum it" to look professional just get along day to day at work but then have to put up with some random comment or reaction like mine when they show the slightest bit of being feminine.

Just yesterday I was listening on the radio about a new initiative in Australia brought over from the UK called the "everyday sexism project" where women (and men to a lesser degree) share stories about sexism they come across in everyday life. Not the big high-flying court cases but things that happened on the way to work. At work. At the shops. Things that shouldn't be acceptable in modern day society but still happen daily.

So here I am, swimming in a pool of self loathing trying to convince myself of a way of either apologising without making me look even worse (I did apologise next opportunity I had, maybe 30 mins later but other than "I'm sorry I didnt mean to say that" I think it came out as gibberish) and also to try make K feel less... objectified.

A thought came to me, is it sexism if I identify as female? Is it sexist even though I consider myself either lesbian or bi? If one of the guys walked in in a similar situation I think I would have a little more poise but still come across in a similar way of "wow, you look great", is that the same? I don't think so.

Like I said above, in nursing and medicine there is this weird internal culture of if you put in too much effort you can come across as looking desperate but also you can't necessarily come to work sans make up without opening yourself up to being considered "plain jane". We're a weird bunch. It's almost like we expect people to leave their individuality at the door and take on this ambiguous "Health professional" role, and then we are just flabbergasted when we see someone we know as their work persona in real life. Like, a real person. Where do they get off with that?!

And yes I am well aware that I do have a slight crush on K but that is nothing compared to the whole "she is cis (I believe), hetero and has a partner" thing so I learnt to let that go a LONG time ago. like a day after meeting her.

So yes, I am stuck with what to do. I so want to just scream "I'm not a guy! That totally came out the wrong way! I'm sorry." but I don't think this is the time or the place to come out. Okay, it isn't because it isn't. I kinda hoping K will remember this in a few months and rethink "oooh, it's because she thinks I look good" instead of creepy comment by weird sexist coworker.

What do you guys think? Cos I'm kinda stuck.
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Jess42

I wouldn't really sweat it or feel bad about it. there is nothing wrong with complimenting someone. Seems it was kind of a classy compliment from a guy to a girl and since you are not out at work, you know. As a matter of fact you might have helped her get over her awkwardness. I really souldn't worry about it too much.
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LordKAT

I'm with Jess. You only gave a compliment and it sounds like it was warranted. I don't see anything wrong with that.
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stephaniec

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Rachel85

So I'm getting a resounding don't worry about it that is pretty reassuring :) Thanks everyone for responding

Yes, I might have been a bit paranoid and sorry for the delayed response, but I've since seen "K" and no issues whatever so no worries. I guess I kind of freaked out, putting myself in her place thinking what it would be like commenting on co-workers dressing for their actual private lives.

I still think it sucks that we are pretty much made to expect a weird reaction when walking into work looking like we have a life, either glamorous or not (in this instance), and having colleagues see us for who we are and being judged on it.

Until this point I had seen no real down point for me having to wear a uniform that covers up changes etc. and now it has become totally blatant the change it will be when I do transition at work. Yes, with a baggy boring uniform no one will notice, or has noticed yet, until the last minute. When I do, my uniform will change pretty insignificantly (the male and female uniforms are different but quite similar) but I'm guessing minds will blow when I come in for the first time.
Which I'm guessing again is exactly what everyone else worries about with their transition too.

Yay! Something to look forward to! hahahah
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Jess42

Quote from: Rachel85 on May 11, 2014, 08:42:57 AM
So I'm getting a resounding don't worry about it that is pretty reassuring :) Thanks everyone for responding

Yes, I might have been a bit paranoid and sorry for the delayed response, but I've since seen "K" and no issues whatever so no worries. I guess I kind of freaked out, putting myself in her place thinking what it would be like commenting on co-workers dressing for their actual private lives.

I still think it sucks that we are pretty much made to expect a weird reaction when walking into work looking like we have a life, either glamorous or not (in this instance), and having colleagues see us for who we are and being judged on it.

Until this point I had seen no real down point for me having to wear a uniform that covers up changes etc. and now it has become totally blatant the change it will be when I do transition at work. Yes, with a baggy boring uniform no one will notice, or has noticed yet, until the last minute. When I do, my uniform will change pretty insignificantly (the male and female uniforms are different but quite similar) but I'm guessing minds will blow when I come in for the first time.
Which I'm guessing again is exactly what everyone else worries about with their transition too.

Yay! Something to look forward to! hahahah

Glad you ain't freakin' out over the whole deal. I just have to say one thing Rachel, pretty much everyone loves getting compliments on their appearance.

Also the whole sexual harrasment thing, yeah it does happen no doubt, but a lot of it is a scare tactics. And yes there are lines that can be crossed but that depends upon the person. The places that I have worked a "normal" job with like minded coworkers, most of the BSing and conversations were way above the sexual harrasment threshold. I have been told that I may as well start wearing skirts because of my hairless legs in shorts and long curly hair. I found it extremely satisfying. I have also been told by coworkers that I should be dancing in a club on Henry Hines Parkway in Dallas. Again extrememly satifying. Anyone familiar with Dallas knows what that certain strip is famous for. Yes I do present as male. I just had to give everyone crap right back. No one complained. Especially not me because I would loved to have given them a hug and a big thanks, but couldn't lest I blew my cover.

Just remember the ol' saying, "Paranoia will destroy ya'." And believe me the ones that can't handle the joking and horsing around, you will know them. But then again the places that I worked were all pretty close knit like minded people with the same sort of backgrounds and don't give a crap how a person lives their lives. I was a driver, which have a bad rep for trashiness anyway, but there were drivers that were a little tiny bit unstable. Like I say you will get a vibe from them or at least I did.

I am not saying to get crude and lewd just to break the monotony but in my opinion a laid back workplace seems to me to be a lot more productive than a stiff necked, by the book workplace where people are scared to even communicate with one another. Agian I emphasize, what you said was extrememly classy and in no way out of line. Hell, I love compliments as a guy or girl, even the less classy ones that I mentioned before was extremely satisfying even though I couln't say thank you and had to counter attack, secretely though, I thought "WOW, I really must have killer legs." ;)
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Rachel85

Thanks Jess :)

Yea, I did get a bit paranoid afterwards, since relaxed a bit. I just could never take compliments though, never been good with accepting them and in terms of appearance have never been much of one to give them either. That needs to change I think... :)
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Ms Grace

Yeah, don't sweat it. I know it can feel awkward to compliment female co-workers. Even when I had decided I was going through with transition last year I still found it awkward to say anything complimentary. If you were saying it to her all the time and harassing her then that would be a different matter.

BTW, now that I have transitioned it doesn't feel awkward to make those kind of compliments and I have been getting tonnes of them from my female colleagues (something I never got before in dude mode, so the awkwardness/barriers cut both ways!).
Grace
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Cindy

As others have said, it is very normal for women to comment on how we look and say nice things, you just got off the mark a bit quickly pre-FT.

One of the nicest I got was a woman who brought me three skirts from her Mum and told me that they were too tight for her Mum and that she wasn't tall enough to wear skirts all the time but that I looked great in skirts as I am thin and they show off my long legs.

Pretty sure a guy wouldn't have said that to me :laugh:
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Jess42

Quote from: Rachel85 on May 11, 2014, 09:59:58 PM
Thanks Jess :)

Yea, I did get a bit paranoid afterwards, since relaxed a bit. I just could never take compliments though, never been good with accepting them and in terms of appearance have never been much of one to give them either. That needs to change I think... :)

You're welcome Rachel. Whether guy or girl, compliments from either/or are extremely nice to give someone and recieve. And yes, guys compliment each other too, even though guy to guy compliments may not seem like actual compliments.
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Serenation

I compliment girls all the time, wow your nails look great, Nice hair colour etc other girls say stuff like that to me, I actually sold some clothes to another woman after she complimented them.

Though In the situation you describe I would have said something like wow that outfit looks amazing. I wouldnt worry about it though.
I will touch a 100 flowers and not pick one.
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Madi_Raye

Trying to live this life without the lies..
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