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Started by Debussy, May 13, 2014, 12:17:09 PM

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Debussy

Hey everyone-

I'm moving from west coast to east coast in 19 days to live with my partner's family. I've met them once, a while ago so they don't really remember me that well I don't think. I've already come out to them, so that's not a problem.

The main thing I'm contemplating is what my presentation will be- where to place my voice, how to dress, etc. My voice isn't quite where I want it yet- my timbre is fine but inflection is not. I've only used this voice around my family so far and it's very hard to do it well when I'm uncomfortable.

I'm already presenting as pretty androgynous in public and still not using my female voice. I'm 5 months on HRT and have only had 1 sessions of laser so far. I don't know if I'm ready for going full time- I was thinking this could be a chance to rework how I present myself in general to be closer to what I want in the end. I also don't have much of a wardrobe- I have 2 sets of male clothing and less than 10 outfits of andro and female clothing. So how I choose to present will affect my shopping too.

I'm really worried about having facial hair and using my female voice together- I'm also worried about my growing breasts and not feeling ready to present female yet. These contradictions give me a lot of anxiety... I was thinking it would be easiest to just present very-feminine/androgynous and use a high male timbre- not quite female. But then that still leaves the ever growing breasts... I'm worried.

Has anyone had any similar experiences of the opportunity to 'start over' early in transition?
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stephaniec

so if your definitely transitioning and physically progressing where is the problem your  going to have to deal with this shortly any way. being realistic as long as your transitioning just do it. 
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Debussy

My partner thinks I should go full time, but I'm really scared of the idea  :-\ I could change nothing- take a baby step- or go the whole way.
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LittleEmily24

#3
at this point i'd say just go full time... I wouldn't worry about facial hair, just keep shaving it. I mean once you have boobs its kind of hard to find (mind you, i think its god's cruel little joke for hormones in MTFs to bring out teh boobs before bringing out the passable features elsewhere) but if you have breasts already or are already developing them, just go full time. If your fear is that people are going to clock you... its going to happen regardless... someone will always clock you, you just have to ignore it.

I chose to go full-time the moment i started HRT, despite knowing i couldn't pass all the way, simply because i had grown tired of living one more day as male. I mean to be honest, I'm just out of my mind most of the time so I shouldn't be included in any statistic lol, but seeing as you're practically almost half a year in, I think its either overdue or just the right time to be going full-time IMHO
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AnnieMay

It's amazing the pressure we put on ourselves. For me, going full time was gradual, and based on increased confidence and experience. My early  appearance was relatively androgynous, with clothing that could be male or female. And that is how I appeared -- full time. As time went on and my body
developed, I became more feminine in appearance and was presenting a more female me -- full time. It was only then that my clothing become more female as well.
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mrs izzy

I did a move after I went full time. I also had my name changed so I started a new with no one knowing the old.

Was great, no pressure when no one know the wiser.

Izzy
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
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Ducks

The best time to make big changes is during transition.  Situations like a move, changing schools or jobs, etc., can give you a chance to start fresh.  If your partner is OK with you becoming more 'you' then there isn't anything holding you back from going full time.  Go for it!  The in-laws will only ever see you as you intend to be after transition, so you also avoid retraining costs :)

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Umiko

this idea is actually a good idea. i thought about moving to california when i begin my full time
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Teela Renee

I transitioned, then moved, and started over as the female me. left the old me in the old town
RedNeck girls have all the fun 8)
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Debussy

I want to go full time so badly- it's just I'm really scared. Especially with my facial hair bothering the hell out of me!!! I have stubble on my upper lip and on my chin, which I haven't figured out how to cover with makeup. Not to mention all the other possible things I could be scared of...
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Marcia

You will always be scared at first. I would say go for it. Keep your head up to show confidence this will show other people that you believe in yourself. Meeting new people as yourself will show them who you are and you will not have to deal with presenting differently later.
-Mark & Marcia
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Paulagirl

I moved just so I could start over in a place people had not seen male me. It was wonderful. I went full time all at once, even before HRT or laser. I just had to, and the opportunity was perfect.
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Ms Grace

Quote from: Debussy on May 13, 2014, 10:05:48 PM
I want to go full time so badly- it's just I'm really scared. Especially with my facial hair bothering the hell out of me!!! I have stubble on my upper lip and on my chin, which I haven't figured out how to cover with makeup.

Not to dissuade you but you will need to work out how to deal with that. I don't know if you think you'll go with electrolysis or laser but each comes with their own hassles and can make passing during the next day or so after treatment problematic. Electro can cause swelling and micro spotting which shouldn't be covered with makeup or shaved for at least two days (or so my electrolysist says, and since I want to avoid infections and scarring I'm listening to her). I take my electro day as a leave day from work (usually a Friday) and then work from home on Monday. Luckily my workplace is flexible enough to allow that.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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ErinWDK

Quote from: Debussy on May 13, 2014, 10:05:48 PM
I want to go full time so badly- it's just I'm really scared. Especially with my facial hair bothering the hell out of me!!! I have stubble on my upper lip and on my chin, which I haven't figured out how to cover with makeup. Not to mention all the other possible things I could be scared of...

I have about the toughest hair on my chin and upper lip that one can imagine.  There is a thread here with tips to getting a REALLY close shave and the punchline for me seems to be using a good conditioner and one of the razors with loads of blades and being VERY careful with the direction you shave.  This takes practice.  Then one ran resort to a cover make up that fully hides what is underneath.  Yes, this gives the image of really heavy make up - but it works for me.  In my male presentation nobody questions that I am just an old man.  Taking the effort to prepare the face means I can "blend in" with my female presentation.  I won't say pass, but I don't get stares either.  I am pre everything.

You can do this!


Erin
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LittleEmily24

I dont know if this might help but ~ In regards to the whole shaving thing; like ErinWDK i also have stubborn dark and thick hair on my chin mostly, and the hair on my jaw and slightly on my neck literally grows back within 8 hours of shaving... its almost unbelievable. What i do is I use sensitive skin shaving lotion and (like Erin) use one of those hundred-and-five blade having razors lol, apply once and shave down, then apply again and shave up (carefully because you can easily cut yourself), before doing any of it I bathe my face in hot water to open up the pores and make them easier to shave or pull with the razor blade. Once Im done doing that, I use a cleancut shaver to take care of any pesky tiny hairs that remain. If your facial hair is anything like mine, then this will still leave a blueish color of shadow to your face (its mind-boggling how even when its not even poking out of your skin, its still shining a bright BLACK color that is impossible to hide without makeup). So to fix this, I use a concealer called Mac Studio Finish Concealer (studio finish is the actual name of the concealer not the color, made that mistake when I went to get a refill and couldn't remember the color code) and its honestly magic. My face hasn't changed much yet other than looking a bit smoother, but this combination of shaving and concealer application results in people staring at me for reasons that don't include having a face shadow, or rather not staring at me at all, its amazing how much of a difference it makes even when you are still mostly male-bodied. And the best part about this concealer is that it doesn't look cake-y, it smooths on perfectly and feels like its not even there (plus, its basically a 3-4 month supply in a tiny 18$ quarter-sized container, so its not crazy expensive but it works like pricey makeup)
Ive learned that when it comes to make-up, sometimes less is more and being minimalist or simplistic with your application to have that natural glow is enough for your face to scream "pretty girl". Sure, colors are fun and nice, but unless you're a face model, they don't look good >_< believe me lol even on most cisgirls the excess of color makes them look like clowns.

Alternatively; let's say you are going to the beach or the pool or off to play some sport with friends, you obviously wouldn't wear make-up for that because you would sweat it off or it would come off in the water :P, so I will add that while I'm meticulous and OCD about the shadow I can still see, the majority of the time the shaving technique i mentioned is effective enough that even without makeup others can barely see the shadow unless they concentrate or come too close for comfort :P even if you can see it clear as day. Experience: I go to the beach a lot (in female swimwear) and attract minimal attention to my face. When it comes to make-up, its really all trial and error to find what matches your face well and what accentuates your natural looks. You can try looking on pinterest for tips on how to highlight and contour your face to give the appearance of cheeks or slimmer face/nose appearance. Hope this helps <3
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Debussy

Quote from: LittleEmily24 on May 14, 2014, 10:42:10 AM
I dont know if this might help but ~ In regards to the whole shaving thing; like ErinWDK i also have stubborn dark and thick hair on my chin mostly, and the hair on my jaw and slightly on my neck literally grows back within 8 hours of shaving... its almost unbelievable. What i do is I use sensitive skin shaving lotion and (like Erin) use one of those hundred-and-five blade having razors lol, apply once and shave down, then apply again and shave up (carefully because you can easily cut yourself), before doing any of it I bathe my face in hot water to open up the pores and make them easier to shave or pull with the razor blade. Once Im done doing that, I use a cleancut shaver to take care of any pesky tiny hairs that remain. If your facial hair is anything like mine, then this will still leave a blueish color of shadow to your face (its mind-boggling how even when its not even poking out of your skin, its still shining a bright BLACK color that is impossible to hide without makeup). So to fix this, I use a concealer called Mac Studio Finish Concealer (studio finish is the actual name of the concealer not the color, made that mistake when I went to get a refill and couldn't remember the color code) and its honestly magic. My face hasn't changed much yet other than looking a bit smoother, but this combination of shaving and concealer application results in people staring at me for reasons that don't include having a face shadow, or rather not staring at me at all, its amazing how much of a difference it makes even when you are still mostly male-bodied. And the best part about this concealer is that it doesn't look cake-y, it smooths on perfectly and feels like its not even there (plus, its basically a 3-4 month supply in a tiny 18$ quarter-sized container, so its not crazy expensive but it works like pricey makeup)
Ive learned that when it comes to make-up, sometimes less is more and being minimalist or simplistic with your application to have that natural glow is enough for your face to scream "pretty girl". Sure, colors are fun and nice, but unless you're a face model, they don't look good >_< believe me lol even on most cisgirls the excess of color makes them look like clowns.

Alternatively; let's say you are going to the beach or the pool or off to play some sport with friends, you obviously wouldn't wear make-up for that because you would sweat it off or it would come off in the water :P, so I will add that while I'm meticulous and OCD about the shadow I can still see, the majority of the time the shaving technique i mentioned is effective enough that even without makeup others can barely see the shadow unless they concentrate or come too close for comfort :P even if you can see it clear as day. Experience: I go to the beach a lot (in female swimwear) and attract minimal attention to my face. When it comes to make-up, its really all trial and error to find what matches your face well and what accentuates your natural looks. You can try looking on pinterest for tips on how to highlight and contour your face to give the appearance of cheeks or slimmer face/nose appearance. Hope this helps <3

I don't know if I'm using the right products, but I use shaving cream and 5 bladed disposable razors from target. I guess I'll grab the lotion next time. I've found that so far I can't really shave against the grain on my chin, it's too thick. but on my upper lip and cheeks and sides of my neck I go both ways. I've tried to get rid of the hair that sticks out to leave only the blue shadow, but when I do that I make myself bleed all over. I really don't like my facial hair :P hehe...

I'll take a look at Mac studio finish concealer- Do you know how to find out your color? I just ordered Gabriel moisturizing liquid foundation- true beige '18' and it fits perfectly to my skin color.

I've looked of contouring- it didn't really seem like my thing but I'll take a look again. I went down to the mall and the makeup ladies had no idea how to contour- I really wanted someone to see my face and show me whats best so I can learn it- maybe I'll just have to experiment...

Quote from: ErinWDK on May 14, 2014, 08:46:13 AM
I have about the toughest hair on my chin and upper lip that one can imagine.  There is a thread here with tips to getting a REALLY close shave and the punchline for me seems to be using a good conditioner and one of the razors with loads of blades and being VERY careful with the direction you shave.  This takes practice.  Then one ran resort to a cover make up that fully hides what is underneath.  Yes, this gives the image of really heavy make up - but it works for me.  In my male presentation nobody questions that I am just an old man.  Taking the effort to prepare the face means I can "blend in" with my female presentation.  I won't say pass, but I don't get stares either.  I am pre everything.

You can do this!


Erin

One hundred and five blades, note taken! Thank you...

Quote from: Ms Grace on May 14, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
Not to dissuade you but you will need to work out how to deal with that. I don't know if you think you'll go with electrolysis or laser but each comes with their own hassles and can make passing during the next day or so after treatment problematic. Electro can cause swelling and micro spotting which shouldn't be covered with makeup or shaved for at least two days (or so my electrolysist says, and since I want to avoid infections and scarring I'm listening to her). I take my electro day as a leave day from work (usually a Friday) and then work from home on Monday. Luckily my workplace is flexible enough to allow that.

I've had 4 hours of electrolysis and 1 session of laser so far. I think I'm going to go with laser and finish with electro. They want to make my next appt. at the end of this month, only 3 weeks after my first session- which I thought sounded a little early. My first laser session was 7 days ago- I had no burning no swelling and signs of anything went away within 2 hours. My hair remained- they said it would take 2 weeks for them to fall out. My regrowth is slightly less thick and slightly slower- but nothing impressive. They said I have a great skin type for this too... I just don't know if it's working that well. Maybe I'll have to hold out on full time if I can't conceal it- and just present feminine until it is all zapped.

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Ltl89

I've often fantasized about moving and getting a new start.  Often I dream about moving somewhere in Europe, but it would be so weird to no longer live in my home country.  And while other states can be appealing, I can't imagine no longer living in NY.  Yet, the fantasy of having no one remember my past and having none of my neighbors know about me would be amazing. 

It sounds like you really do have a good shot to start over here.  Don't jump the gun if you don't feel ready for full time, but it sounds like it would be easier to go full time as soon as you move.  That way there is no need to deal with more coming out and you could have more privacy.
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Madi_Raye

I myself am in a similar debockle.
i move, and planned to go ft when i got here,
then chickened out. now, I have the opportunity
to move to n. Carolina and start over again.
just not sure what to do..
(f.y.i, I'm pre h.r.t.)
Trying to live this life without the lies..
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Evelyn K

Thanks for the tip. I might really consider this.

Here's video!

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