HRT and sexuality

[Evelyn K]

lemon, lf all things where basically equal, physically, interests, morals, I would say I would choose the trans woman. Because I would have more rapport with her. Given what she and I are.

And just to pre-empt, I don't really like taking discussions off board much in case anyone was wondering. Unless I have a genuine concern about something or someone.

[Evelyn K]

However as for me I do have a great respect for masculinity and I guess testosterone too by default. It was the brave and driven, typically males who have driven forward the exploration of our earth and now in its early stages, the cosmos; who have also been mostly responsible for massive advances in science and technology in the last two centuries, and indeed the many wars which, despite their terrible human cost, were the hot houses of so much of the technology we rely on today. I don't think many would doubt that it was an orgasm (lol) of testosterone that in the 50's and 60's drove us into space. However I actually feel quite sorry for many males today, so many traits that were essential to them (and all of us) during most our evolution are now, in our modern civilisation, redundant; and are often now being expressed in very negative ways..

This rings truth and you said it nicely. But I don't see why a perfect utopia of women can't seek technical advancement of their own. Breast cancer for instance is still a scourge and motivating factor. As well as women's physical weaknesses. Who knows, instead of landing on the moon, we might have artificial intelligent automatous cyborgs doing the heavy lifting and home defenses for us now.

[HoneyStrums]

Hormoans + pheramoans + desirability ?

right now sexualy im sub, meaning im intrested in poeple intrested in me, but they also need to make moves for me to react to. so far this has mainly been men.
Id say i have a type but i dont its just the person has to have this hidden quality idk maybe that quality is what people call the click.

Im cant make an opinion regarding Es affect on this but i can say i hope it only intensifies my receptivaty, im too picky ironicaly so maybe with an increace in suitors ill have better luck finding someone, or choosing someone that chooses me.

[Goldfish]

However as for me I do have a great respect for masculinity and I guess testosterone too by default. It was the brave and driven, typically males who have driven forward the exploration of our earth and now in its early stages, the cosmos; who have also been mostly responsible for massive advances in science and technology in the last two centuries, and indeed the many wars which, despite their terrible human cost, were the hot houses of so much of the technology we rely on today. I don't think many would doubt that it was an orgasm (lol) of testosterone that in the 50's and 60's drove us into space. However I actually feel quite sorry for many males today, so many traits that were essential to them (and all of us) during most our evolution are now, in our modern civilisation, redundant; and are often now being expressed in very negative ways..

I tend to attribute this more to social roles/barriers that deterred or prevented more females being involved in the past (especially in more tech/cutting edge stuff), rather than to anything useful about testosterone/masculinity.

I think our world we be much the poorer if we lost them, in fact for all their warts and body odour lol, I think we will really need their drive and direction to surmount the many terrible problems that are rushing toward to us in our very near future..

I don't see why gender/sex/hormone balance/whatever really needs to come into this. We are capable of being driven and motivated without testosterone or masculinity. We just need intelligent, capable people able to dream/worry about the future and care enough to do something.
I'm guessing it's not quite what you meant when you wrote it, but to me, it sounds a bit like 'we need the men to save us!!!' because in the past they haven't been keen on letting us contribute nearly as much. If I sound angry/combative it's because of that and I'm sorry for coming across that way.

As for the main topic, I find HRT actually reduced my sexual interest in men. I've never had any romantic interest in men, just women. I think my attraction to men was more so I could be the 'woman' in sex helping to temporarily reduce my GD. Sexual interest in women was always mixed with jealousy and envy and intense sadness at my body, making the GD worse. As a result I never bothered with relationships. Just kept to myself.
Now that my body has changed a bit (mostly breasts that are just starting to be noticeable even under a thick jumper, not many facial changes/body shape changes that I have noticed, but my T is still a bit high and the E dose is still a little bit low I think, so the breast growth is somewhat surprising), I see myself as female in the mirror much more often, facial hair going and that I've been internally 'seeing' myself as female for about 2.5 years (oddly I found out about being TG, went with that but didn't really know about transitioning till like 14 months after identifying as female...) I don't really experience much attraction to men unless I'm really down. I'm just too female most of the time to need to use gender roles as a way of validating/boosting myself anymore. Consequently, I'm much more comfortable with being lesbian. When I was a teenager I would occasionally 'slip' and think of myself as lesbian, then reject the idea. Because of my body, it just felt dirty and weird.

[Just Shelly]

This has been by far the hardest part of my transition. I wish so much that I was still attracted to women!! I'm actually going to try and meet some lesbian women, but its only out of necessity!! It just sucks to attract the attention of men and have the wrong plumbing, wrong designation (I'm still a father to my children) or worse yet, not having a normal childhood or upbringing any other woman would have. I am just an average women until someone gets to know me better

Sure I could inform a man the minute he asked me out, but why can't I just have a normal type courtship all other women have!!

I wish I could narrow it down to why my attraction as done a complete 180, I would avoid whatever it is!! Its not that I don't like it, it just does me no good to be attracted to men. I have noticed that the acceptance of society of me as a woman has probably made the most impact on my attraction. My socialization with men is 110% different, mostly good but also some of the typical female prejudices. I am treated so nice by men and even boys and yes I do get flirted with maybe even more than I think. I really don't think I am anything special and it has only been the last year that I have figured out men have been hitting on me.

My sexual attraction seems to involve everything I have lost or want to loose I love a hairy chest! and hair on the arms and legs is just so amusing now. Muscles also are so attractive to me now, though I still have some in the upper arms and shoulders UGH! I also think the pheromones men give off have created some attraction as well, though most of the men I have been with smell strange, including my boys. I have always wanted to ask a cis woman or even my sister to see if they smell the same smell...or is it just trans girls. I know before hrt the only thing I could smell on a man is either sweat or cologne.

The penis is another story...I was a very heterosexual male before, seen a couple of friends organs but not because I wanted too!! I never had any type attraction to a man and especially his organ. I now am very very curious and fascinated with this organ, even though I have a similar type one. I have found out though, I wouldn't consider mine now or even before HRT anything similar to any other man's.

[Evelyn K]

I think our world we be much the poorer if we lost them, in fact for all their warts and body odour lol, I think we will really need their drive and direction to surmount the many terrible problems that are rushing toward to us in our very near future..

This got me thinking... aren't most of those "problems" rushing towards us rooted by testosterone's pig headed influence in the 1st place? Wars, crime, ... beer? 

Anyway I had a thread run a bit against the grain of the spirit of the forum related to this very topic and was veto'd. I think it's better to move on.

At least we agree on some points.

[lemon_ice]

This has been by far the hardest part of my transition. I wish so much that I was still attracted to women!! I'm actually going to try and meet some lesbian women, but its only out of necessity!! It just sucks to attract the attention of men and have the wrong plumbing, wrong designation (I'm still a father to my children) or worse yet, not having a normal childhood or upbringing any other woman would have. I am just an average women until someone gets to know me better ......

Wow, that is an amazingly significant change given your prior inclination... I hope this does not remaining disturbing to you, or that you manage to find that girl that can still drive you crazy


And my apologies to Evelyn and Goldfish, sorry I did not mean to rock the boat or stir controversy I think we would definitely agree on more than we disagree on! You both sound like very intelligent and passionate too which I admire Yes I think we'd better get things back on topic, especially me as the TA lol.

[~Evelyn~]

I'm more to guys ( I haz boyfie FYI ) but I still have this thing for girls. NO! Not all girls, just those girls that have those kawaii faces. I told my brother about it, he says I'm probably Bi and its normal for girls to like other girls? I have been kissed by a girl before, on the cheek, well we used to be close till she joined up with some girls who totally changed her attitude... WAIT! *has flashback* There was this once when a cashier at Watsons was giving me "the look" did she like me? Well I don't know but anyway she was REALLY nice to me. Like when I was lining up she was all meh take your stuff and get lost towards the other customers, but when it was my turn she went from all gloomy to some rainbow inspired unicorn with giggle talk. ( Akward ) She kind of did freak me out tho. Anywaaaay I like both guys and girls sooo lets put it like this: Guys= 60% and Girls=40%.