Deuteronomy 22:5

[Jess42]

It is part and parcel of the OLD COVENANT. Scripture very plainly shows that God would MAKE A NEW COVENANT with His people.

Jeremiah 31:31-34

"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

Jesus tells us

Luke 22

20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.[a] 21 But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. 22 The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!" 23 They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.

Hebrews go into the detail of the better covenant

Hebrew 7

11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:

"You are a priest forever,
    in the order of Melchizedek."[a]
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:

"The Lord has sworn
    and will not change his mind:
    'You are a priest forever.'"
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[c] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

Hebrews 8

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

"The days are coming, declares the Lord,
    when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
    and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
    I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
    to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
    and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
    after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
    and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
    or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
    and will remember their sins no more."[c]
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

See when God made the Mosaic obsolete with all the rules and regulations,He replaced it with the law of LOVE. Jesus so plainly tells us that they will one is His disciple by the love one shows for another. John writes this over and over

1 John 1

19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God's commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

1 John 4

7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17 This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19 We love because he first loved us. 20 Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

Paul writes this

Galatians 5

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

As Christians we are called to a HIGHER LAW.

Wow. I really don't know what to say. God made my Spirit in that same image and I just feel more female than male but both aspects are in me. How should I feel? Male or Female? God, I am so confued at times.

[LordKAT]

god made you in his image alright, spirit. god is spirit, not flesh.

[Jess42]

god made you in his image alright, spirit. god is spirit, not flesh.

Actually true words of wisdom LordKAT.

[crowcrow223]

It is part and parcel of the OLD COVENANT. Scripture very plainly shows that God would MAKE A NEW COVENANT with His people.

Jeremiah 31:31-34

"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

This law is not in place yet. Look at No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

This covenant will be made at a time when everyone in the whole world believes in God. We're not there yet.

[SarahM777]

This law is not in place yet. Look at No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

This covenant will be made at a time when everyone in the whole world believes in God. We're not there yet.

Scripture says otherwise. The writer of Hebrews quotes Jeremiah 31 twice

Hebrews 8

8 Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by a mere human being.

3 Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5 They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."[a] 6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:

"The days are coming, declares the Lord,
    when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
    and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
    I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
    to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
    and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
    after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
    and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
    and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
    or say to one another, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
    and will remember their sins no more."[c]
13 By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

Hebrews 10

10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

"Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
    but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
    you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, 'Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
    I have come to do your will, my God.'"[a]
8 First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them"—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 "This is the covenant I will make with them
    after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
    and I will write them on their minds."
17 Then he adds:

"Their sins and lawless acts
    I will remember no more."[c]


18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary


The writer of Hebrews testifies that the new covenant written about by Jeremiah has come,not that it is YET TO COME,but it is here and now.

[crowcrow223]

The writer of Hebrews is clearly wrong then. Jeremiah says the covenant will be in place when everyone in the entire world believes in God, period. There's no arguing about it, we're not there yet.

[SarahM777]

Even if one wants to try to put people back under the Mosaic law,does anyone get one thing that Deuteronomy 22:5 by the letter of the law does NOT address? HOW does that law apply to those born INTERSEXED? Even under the Mosaic law they knew there were those born OUTSIDE the norms. The Mosaic law itself DOES NOT address the application of the law in all cases,that was left up to the judges,if the judges could not decide the case then it was taken before the priests. So the question SHOULD be HOW did they apply the law to those born OUTSIDE the norm? (If one is trying to stay under the Mosaic law in the first place)

[SarahM777]

This law is not in place yet. Look at No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

This covenant will be made at a time when everyone in the whole world believes in God. We're not there yet.

Where does that passage say that the New Covenant is at a time when the whole world believes? It's part of the problem when people try to take passages and add things to the text that the text never said.

[Megan Joanne]

Deuteronomy 22:5
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment; for all who do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.

God didn't create clothing, man did. God didn't create style of clothing, man did. Man decided on what and how we were to wear it. Those were words from an ignorant human being (a man) who had some serious internal issues within himself. Women shall not wear men's clothing lest they get mistaken as such along with the equal rights of a man, therefore a possible threat to man's dominance. As for the other way around, probably thought if he saw another man dressed in women's attire it'd turn him on and that embarrassed and enraged him, felt his manhood was endangered. Soeth that verse was written. God don't care what we wear, we were given skin and hair, but somewhere along the way be it climate, or shame to show our nudity, we started fashioning clothes for ourselves.

[crowcrow223]

Where does that passage say that the New Covenant is at a time when the whole world believes? It's part of the problem when people try to take passages and add things to the text that the text never said.

I agree Deut 22:5 doesn't apply to transsexual people, don't get me wrong. I referred to the Jeremiah verse.

The passage says the new covenant is at a time when the whole world believes in God in "for they will all know me", does everyone know God at this time in our lives? I am almost certain this verse refers to knowing as believing

[Shantel]

This is one reason I no longer attend church, because people can't resist taking something that is simple to understand in the context of the whole bible and then through their own convoluted reasonings and continual bloviating they make it as confusing and difficult as possible for others in order to be seen as knowledgable and well versed and they go beyond the point that which the Holy Spirit reveals willingly to each individual as he's able to receive. This is a human failing that is couched in ego which only serves to drive away those who may be interested in knowing their Creator more intimately.

[JLT1]

This is one reason I no longer attend church, because people can't resist taking something that is simple to understand in the context of the whole bible and then through their own convoluted reasonings and continual bloviating they make it as confusing and difficult as possible for others in order to be seen as knowledgable and well versed and they go beyond the point that which the Holy Spirit reveals willingly to each individual as he's able to receive. This is a human failing that is couched in ego which only serves to drive away those who may be interested in knowing their Creator more intimately.

Easier to act holy to others than to be holy to God.

[Vicky]

Too many people worship the Bible, damn few follow Christ.  I try my best to follow Jesus but keep tripping over folks kneeling and bowing and spouting words they have never read who are blocking the true way of the Cross.  The way into Jerusalem was strewn with palm leaves, not book leaves.

[noeleena]

Hi. 

Okay try looking at what was said not what is dished up today, apart from a few 1000 years to late and does not concern any one other than who the words were for.

it has nothing at all to do with clothes . there was a war going on and some of the soldiers were cowards and did not wont to fight and keep safe thier women and children and camp. oh and the older people,

So to try and get out of fighting they as we'd say hid behind thier Mothers apron or covered thier armour so they could hide ,

The women were told not to take up arms = armour shield and sword because they were not trained in fighting and battle and would be killed out right  let alone carry the heavy weight.

Plus they were child bearing females,

When reading or study the bible look at .... who was talking , to who , when , why and the time date frame  because if you dont youll never understand what was said .

To day people have and from 1600 to now have in the main an english mind set of thinking and dont look beyound what and how they you or others have been taught how to think  think as they did then 3 to 4 1000 years ago and youll find its very different,

Who translated the bible and why, and allso think about control  of mind go back to 500 ad and look'e there, and see who was doing the manipulating , oh yes.....

The blbe is a very narrow record of history, and a lot is missing so look at archeology, and what has been recorded there and then read the bible itll become more understandible and plan,

...noeleena...

[Satinjoy]

A lot of impressive Biblical knowledge in play and it flushed us out to share, all good

My take on it is that it is one of those problem verses for me that even when rebutted, it destabilizes me.  That unfortunately is not good.  What brings me back is some of the other laws that if in play, would result in a lot of dead people through stoning.  I'll take grace and forgiveness over that any day.

But the idea of being in rebellion for me is not one I care to indulge.  I have to rely on my experience with Christ, and since I feel the connection in prayer in my fully transitioned times, and my hidden transition times living genderqueer, and since I see the evidence of answered prayers, I know the cross has me covered.  I look at the fruit, and in my scenario, I can't possibly live by this law if it applies.  It would destroy me and silence me, clearly this is not God's intent for my life, nor would the depression and angst have anything good for my family as they suffer with my deadly dysphoria in full conflict with me, causing me to be anxious, irritable, and obsessed.

No I will take living a pure life as a nonbinary transsexual instead.  I have been delivered from so much sin since transitioning, so much deception self and otherwise, I must conclude that I am on the right path to meet Jesus, not the crushing path of a legalistic law I cannot possibly live.  And I see the fruit of others forcing that law upon us as very negative, with a root that they are better than us somewhere under the condemnation of us, thereby getting them into deep doo doo with our God, who strongly dislikes self righteousness based on putting other people down.

I have to read more, may comment again.  I am impressed, humbled, pleased to be here in your company.

God Bless, hugs to all.

[Shantel]

A lot of impressive Biblical knowledge in play and it flushed us out to share, all good

I am impressed, humbled, pleased to be here in your company.

God Bless, hugs to all.

Yeah me too and I apologize to everyone for being so prickly in my last comment. I just live by the simple formula "Keep it simple stupid!" (KISS) Because anyone looking in and enquiring about these things will get information overload, keep it simple and gospel centered for Christ's sake! (Not cussing here for those who don't know better)

[King Malachite]

I just live by the simple formula "Keep it simple stupid!" (KISS) Because anyone looking in and enquiring about these things will get information overload, keep it simple and gospel centered for Christ's sake!

I like simple. 

Matthew 6:25 KJV

Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat , or what ye shall drink ; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on . Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Matthew 6:31 KJV

Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?



This is good enough for me.

[Joelene9]

  Deuteronomy is part of the Torah, the Law that God gave to man. Jesus has said many times that the Pharisees and Temple heads ignore the law of the Torah and instead succumb to the laws of man given by man.  Read Matthew, chapter 14, with one encounter.  The Torah still is the law as Jesus was concerned.  They had a written type of Talmud that was abridged later as the Babylon section of the Talmud plus the newer Jerusalem Talmud, a multi-volume set.  This was supposed to clarify the Torah.  Over time there were new laws and traditions added, some with vile references to the Gentiles and how they be treated.  This was the mentioning that Jesus gave through his ministry.  Turning the tables of wares and money changing on the Temple grounds and saying "Do you make my Father's House a den of thieves!" is one instance. 
  Some Jews do not use the Talmud at all such as the Messianic Jews.  The Messianic Jews believe in Jesus as the Hebrew Yeshua and read the New Testament, but keep the basic Laws of the Torah.  The changed laws about circumcision and the eating of the "unclean" meats that Paul mentioned in The Acts of the Apostles are applicable to the Greeks, the new converts at the time, according to the Messianic Jews.  The converts to Messianic Judism do not have to get circumcised from this passage.  The converts from the main Judism to Messianic Judism should keep the old jewish customs and dietary laws as mentioned in the Torah. The Torah or Pentateuch as it also as called does apply to those of us that are the "New Testament" types.  This is the grave something that got lost in the nearly 2000 years of Christianity. 

  Joelene

[Satinjoy]

Well dear ones I triggered this morning over a combination of this scripture, my 56th birthday, a pic of myself 2 years ago prior to transition, and my family commenting negatively about my androgyn hair.  I am in a confrontation with dysphoria now over cutting it.  The dysphoria is winning, it does not ever give back ground it has taken.  I rely on Christ as I walk a tightrope balancing the dysphoria with family needs, which is working well, but I cannot look down for a second, the fear crushes me if I do.  Nicely I have not suffered from the fear of dysphoric progression for about 3 weeks now since my last breakdown from it.  And I am ok right now, because you are here.  And because of the key of acceptance, and that acceptance was accepting that Jesus has me and my family firmly in His grasp, as well as my dysphoria.

The problem is I take one scripture out of context and my fear grabs it and beats me to a pulp with it.  I lose the totality of scripture out of fear that I am distorting what the heart of God is in writing this God Breathed insight and instruction.  The other problem I have is that I marry this scripture with the two about effeminacy in the NKJV and heaven being barred from the effeminate, thereby damning me.  But I believe there are major translation and context issues there, and that the frame of reference was the Roman baths and cult prostitutes.  I need help with getting this one debriefed.

If it wasn't for Jesus, I would not have survived nor continue to survive.  That is one of the keys for me when I get into legalistic trouble.  Because I have no hope without Him, every day, every breath.

Can we look at this combination of scriptures so I can have a little more peace about it?  A major trigger for me here, destabilizing the poor little Satinjoy child with hir arms raised to my God and my King for protection and help.

I feel better now just dumping this onto the forum, I trust you and it is so encouraging to have other real deal Christians here on the forum.  Not to exclude anyone that is not, and is drawn here to us too.

Love to all here.

[Jess42]

Satinjoy, don't let something as meaningless as a hairstyle make you dysphoric. God how many times I have been told I needed to get a haircut. Or how many times people thought I was a woman than a man from behind. I like that one though. Hair is hair and just like anything else you have a right to have it as long or as short as you want it. Those that don't like it, critisize their hair.

The Bible is a book written with a lot of parrables that have different meanings for everyone depending upon how a person takes it. It was supposedly inspired by God and written by man and that leaves a lot of room for interpretation, especially when you look to how long ago those words were written and what  people's perceptions of God was at the time. I hate when people read something and say with absolute certainty, "that is the way it is!" That may be true for that one particular person but what a lot of people fail to understand is it may pertain to something totally different to someone else.

The absolute laws that I feel are in the Bible are the Ten Commandments which is nothing more than how we should treat others and perceive God.

The Bible is meant to inspire us in our own unique ways. It is also a great mystery because of the so called Bible Codes that predict bits and peices of the future in it's original texts. The King James version came about in the 1500s and I have a tremendous feeling that a lot of things were either misinterpreted and or things left out and added in for control purposes. But it is just a book. It is not supposed to replace your own unique relationship with our Creator, that my dear is what you should have in your heart, mind and Spirit. Not memorized word for word Biblical passages. Besides the Bible ended around 1500 years ago maybe and stuck in time, we are not. In other words, our Spirits are still evolving and perceptions of God today may not be the same from long ago. Unfortunately though most religions and therefore perceptions are still in the same time frame as the Bible.

Take God in the very beginning of the Bible, all the way up to Christ's teachings. There is a big difference of perceptions from a vengeful God that takes sides to a Loving and Forgiving God that gave us Freewill. God hasn't changed but rather our perceptions of God have changed and the Bible is proof of that. So in the last 1500 years, how has our perceptions of God changed? Some have and some are still stuck in the past and that is why teachers come to us about every 2000-2800 years. Spirituality in the physical forms of religions become stale, abussive, controlling, and pretty much a negative and we need a kickstart from a much older and wiser Spirit than ourselves. This is where and why Jesus came some 2000 some odd years ago to try to change perceptions and understanding of Spirituality. There were many before Jesus and there will be many more to come if we can keep from self destructing.

So really, take what is in the Bible with a grain of salt because a lot of so called "Laws of God" are actually more laws of man. Follow the Ten Commandments because that will make you a good person, and follow Christ's teachings from your heart and Spirit. And remember the passage in Genesis, we know the differrence between good and evil so it is deeply instilled within us and we don't need a book to recognize those two opposites and what we should do.