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My dad simply does not understand, and I can't get through to him. Any advice?

Started by Blucatt, June 17, 2014, 07:55:11 PM

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Blucatt

Let me start off by saying I'm a brand new user to this website. I'm trying to get used to forums and things like that again, so I may need to know how things work. And my tone may not be very colloquial at times, but that's because I've always had trouble getting my point across.

There is a lot to explain so I'll just go for it. I am a teenage MtF transgender, and I have been my entire life. Only I finally knew what it was in late elementary school, and even later yet did I finally come to terms with it. More specifically it's been over the past few weeks, and I'm actually pretty happy with it. I'm fine with who I am, and I only second-guess myself when I hear these horror stories of transitioning individuals being relentlessly ridiculed and harrased, even in public. That's a big thing for me, but I digress, as it isn't the main point of me making this thread.

So a few days ago, I finally decided to come out to my father about everything I was feeling, and I tried a bit ti get him to understand. I was nervous, but surprisingly, he wasn't upset at all. He just said he was glad I told him about it, and that he was going to sleep on the decision to decide what we would do next. I breathed a sigh of relief, as the truth had finally come out, and I believed that my luck was beginning to turn. But, for the vast majority, I was wrong. As he suggested, I approached him the following morning when he was fully awake to inquire about what he had decided. He tells me that he thoughht the whole thing over, but he thought it was best to not do anything about it until I'm 18. He also says that these are just feelings that don't have to do with my self-worth or emotional state, that I was asking him for way too much, and that being seen in public dressed femininely wouldn't sit well with CPS. I thought he was confused, so I tried to explain. I told him that I didn't want to immediately get doses of estrogen, or anything medical at all, even, and that all I was asking was for us to buy more feminine clothes, and for me to be referred to and treated as a female. But he didn't listen. Since then, there's been a lot of tension in the house, as we are both very on-edge. Whenever I bring it up, an argument sparks. I keep telling him that I'm not asking for as much as he thinks, if anything bad happens it'll be on my part, that this occupies a big part of my mind every day, and this is very important to me, not just something like me whining for a new video game. But he keeps saying that I'm making this out to be more important than it is,  that this is too much for him to deal with and I'm "msking it his decision", that I don't understand the signifigance of what I'm asking of him, and that I wont see things from his point of view.

Please, give me some advice on the situation. I really don't know what t do; this is really important to me right now and he's not taking this nearly as seriously as he should be. He himself admits that he doesn't understand, and that he knows little to nothing about the whole thing. So, what do you guys think I should do? How can I convince him? I really can't wait as long as he's telling me; I just want to be who I am. And he's also stuck on the idea that he needs some advice that's based on our specific situation, and in fact agrees to read and consider the responses to this thread. And if it helps, I'm an author, have been depressed for about 4 years, have 1 twin brother and 1 older 18-year-old brother, and money is most certainly not part of the problem. Any help will be appreciated, and thanks for your help in advance :).
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Jessica Merriman

First I want to give you a big warm welcome! It is not easy to admit these feelings and to tell others so congrats on your courage. You are in a tough spot in two ways. First your age precludes you from acting on your own. Second time is against you as the sooner you start Anti Androgens the better you will be later in life. AAs block Testosterone from masculinizing the body. Most of us older transitioners have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for surgical repair of the damage to look feminine. You are in a catch 22 so to speak. I can tell you from personal experience the feeling to transition will only get worse as the years go by. Gender Dysphoria is very debilitating and leads to depression, anxiety and a whole list of medical issue's. Gender Dysphoria is now classified as a medical condition by the DSM and is no longer a mental health issue as in the past because of new research emerging all the time. I would start there and learn all you can about Gender Dysphoria and how it can be easily treated today. A second step which may help is to see if he will allow you to see a Therapist with gender experience for a more definitive diagnosis. Maybe getting a professional opinion of it will allow him to see it is not a choice and that you have the capacity to understand the illness and treatment goals. I wish you the best.  :)


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Sephirah

There's a saying I use in situations like this:

"I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you."

He has to get it, sweetie. And if he doesn't understand, then just give him documentation that will provide plenty of information on what you're actually feeling, what you can do, and what options are available. There is a wealth of such both here and elsewhere online. Maybe you can suggest that there are trained professionals out there, who have experience in gender issues, and you would like to see one of them to see what you can do, and to get some outside perspective on how you're feeling.

Above all, don't blame yourself for not doing enough to make him "get it", okay? And don't blame your dad for not understanding the complexities of how you're feeling. You can only do as much as you can do. It can be a big thing for someone not dealing with this to take in and even attempt to assimilate. Sometimes, time itself will be enough. Time and you being firm in your assertions. Letting your actions speak as loudly as your words. But, as I say, there is a lot of information out there. Very specific, detailed information. Maybe a next step would be to present him with that. That is one way towards acceptance, if not entire understanding of what you're going through.
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autumnwind44

I think that to understand anything in life, one has to learn.

Try to find videos maybe?

I like the videos under the name: my genderation

Thats what I would do but you know him, not me, maybe he prefers text.

Although I think documentaries are best.

I feel that boys dont cry is a very eye opening one for most people too but its a film so he'd have to get into it and maybe he prefers action or coolness or something in a film as alot of guys do lol

There is then also the idea of trying to put him in the position that you are in mentally but again, this one would only work on some people.

Try to look through as many videos as you can and find the best few to teach him.
Hey ;)
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JayneS

Welcome and hugs hun,

OK first off well done, that must have taken a great deal of courage to do. It is very hard for non trans people to understand what we go through, half the time I could not understand it fully. So... what is the next move, I think it is very brave of your father to read and consider the responses that you will get, it does suggest that his decision is based on not knowing / understanding girl however, this decision to consider proves he is a least open minded.
Nobody can make up his mind for him but you can and must make him aware of all the information that is available, I will avail myself as a buddy to you, and feel free to PM me or email me as often as you wish, or indeed your farther if he so wishes. I work long hours and have just starting seeing a guy, so I cannot promise to get back you straight away but I will do so ASAP hun I promise.
This is a hard road, if your father loves you, and I feel that he does (He is probably very confused himself) he will do the best for you, but, he must have clear understanding that not doing anything at all can be damaging also. I agree with Jessica, AA are essential at this stage, at least as a holding point, that will give your father time to come to terms with things, and will limit the damage of T.

I am here  if you need me girl.

Love and hugs

Jayne xxx

I have nothing to say I haven't said before, I have bled all I can and won't bleed no more, I don't need no one to understand!
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Shana-chan

I would like your father to read all the replies to this thread, including this one if he's willing to do so. Everyone else ahs already said what I would have said so, instead, to your father I shall share some what I have to go through and give some advice.

To Blucatt's Father

Hello, I think it's great that you're willing to read the replies in this thread. My own Dad would never ever do something like that. He's not supportive at all, forces his own belief and opinions on others (including me) and it's his way or the highway. Don't get me wrong, he's a great guy and in some ways, a good Dad, but, in others, he's a terrible Father and should never have been one. I don't have much of a bond with him, and, honestly, that's because of who he is, plus the fact he disrespects me all the time and says he's not disrespecting me. He realizes I have some serious issues caused from my Gender Dysphoria which include daily depression and when it's bad or I've just had a real bad day, or if I think I won't be able to transition then, well, sad to say but I get suicidal thoughts. I myself haven't acted on them but hey! You know it's never good when you have thoughts like these, and that's only half of it. On top of that, I have to put up with at times being misgendered, being called by my birth name which greatly hurts, annoys, frustrates me and even depresses me and so on. Let me tell you, being trans is no laughing matter. It's not something you take lightly or joke about. It's real, it's serious and it can cost a person their life and or the relationships they have with family, friends and acquaintances. Many trans people who are denied by their families have to go through HELL and no child, let alone anyone for that matter should EVER have to go through that, but, if family, friends and acquaintances are their for us, supportive of us, then, we can have a very happy life.

You might be wondering, am I going to continue to have a relationship with my Dad in the future? Honestly, that's up to him not me. I've tried to tell him, it's not his or anyone's fault that I was born this way, I've tried telling him and informing him, showing him places where he can get info on trans people and so much more. I've spent so much time trying to show him the truth, but, sadly, he's an overly religious person and chooses to not listen, be ignorant to the truth, goes as far as to say, the proof I showed him and so much more is lies, which in turn is him also saying all those professionals out there who know what they're doing and talking about (Including doctors, therapists and so much more) don't know what they're talking about and are crazy for saying something that goes against his belief/opinion/religion and remember, that's on TOP of the stuff I've shown him being actual proof. I've asked him, to be respectful to me, as I have MORE than put up with his crap and been respectful to him, at my own expense, sanity and well being. So, in short, no I won't have a relationship with him or anyone whose like him in the future if they continue to do what my Dad has done to me. 

I ask you, Blucatt's Father, to be there for your child, listen to them and PLEASE help your child to transition if that's what they wish! Now, two things to note, transition doesn't happen over night, this will take years to do, even after surgery you're still transitioning into your new role, or so I'm told, but, it does take years to fully transition and, with all us trans people got to go through, you can be sure we'll know whether or not we wish to do so before any surgeries and such happen. The 2nd thing to note is, those AA blockers ARE reversible! So, if the child for whatever reason wishes to transition back, then, it is reversible, but, do the research and see more for yourself. Also, another thing on that note, the odds of a trans person de-transitioning back into the role they were assigned at birth and no longer feeling Dysphoria about their gender is slim if they're already at the age of 6-8 and still showing signs of being a trans person. This is more so the case if they're already a teen and, hey, try putting yourself in your child's shoes. Just imagine, being called by a name/pronoun that isn't who you are and is for the opposite gender, now imagine being FORCED to conform to that gender role that you know you aren't. Just imagine, everyone treating you in a way that makes you miserable, whether with good intentions or not, it still makes you miserable. Now imagine two more things, that, all of a sudden, your body is now the opposite sex of what you know you are, and, that because of puberty, you're getting worse in that department, and, to make it all worse, society and those around you keep treating you as the opposite gender you say you are and no matter what you tell and show them, it does no good and you still get treated as the opposite gender. Try imagining having to live like that, for the rest of your life, I guarantee you, you'd be in bad shape, the more time goes on and depending on how supportive people are of you and your situation. That's what your child is going through now, so please, be supportive of your child and help them. Not based on what YOU BELIEVE but based on what your CHILD BELIEVES! Do the research, seek therapists out who specialize in GID/GD. Please, don't become like my Dad is or you too, may not have a relationship with your child someday but, please, most of all, remember, your child's happiness comes first, after all, would you rather have a happy healthy child or a dead child? This is something that most parents and people don't seem to get. Honestly, even if I wasn't born trans I would rather have a happy healthy child than a dead one.

Remember to listen to your children and, best of luck and take care you both. Hope it all works out.

From, Shana-chan   
"Denial will get people no where."
"Don't look to the here & now but rather, to the unknown future & hope on that vs. the here & now."
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Blucatt

Wow, thanks everyone for all the help! its great to know so many people understand how i feel. should i make an update thread? im a bit pressed for time right now, but i will say ive lost a lot of hope, as my parents are infuriated that i went out and bought girl clothes. theres a lot more to it though, which is why i want to make a different post. but still, thanks :)
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Shana-chan

Quote from: Blucatt on June 21, 2014, 09:57:21 AM
Wow, thanks everyone for all the help! its great to know so many people understand how i feel. should i make an update thread? im a bit pressed for time right now, but i will say ive lost a lot of hope, as my parents are infuriated that i went out and bought girl clothes. theres a lot more to it though, which is why i want to make a different post. but still, thanks :)
Hey, feel free to continue posting on here, whether it be updates, giving advice to others, replying to threads or, just hanging out and reading posts and such. Hope to hear that update but the choice is yours. You've got a long road ahead of you (and your family/friends) but, hang in there and good luck!
"Denial will get people no where."
"Don't look to the here & now but rather, to the unknown future & hope on that vs. the here & now."
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JayneS

Baby just talk. We are here and always will be.

love and hugs

Jayne  xxx
I have nothing to say I haven't said before, I have bled all I can and won't bleed no more, I don't need no one to understand!
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