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Started by Valleyrie, May 30, 2014, 11:34:58 PM

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Valleyrie

Hey everyone, yesterday was the first time I had ever experienced something like this. I don't feel like going into too much detail right now. I have reported the incident to the police and have made a statement and I really hope these idiots get caught.

Anyways, I was on the train home from a group program I attend and these 2 people (a girl and a guy) came in from one of the stops. I was with a friend at the time and she went to go have a smoke so she left her bag where she was sitting. They came in and asked if that was my bag, I said "no, that's my friend's bag". The girl rudely asked me to move it, I did move it and when my friend came back I asked if she wanted to move seats. The guy took his earphones out and asked if there was a problem.

I wasn't really paying much attention to the situation at hand, so we just sat in front of them. I noticed when they entered they were speaking another language and constantly looking at me. They first asked if me and my friend were boyfriend and girlfriend and I told them that we're just friends. She said "interesting". From here on I knew what they were thinking. I'm pre-hrt but I go out as myself all the time; I don't care what others think. I notice I get a lot of stares from people trying to make out if I am a girl or not. I look very feminine but I don't have the obvious features of what most women do (breast, etc).

The girl done most of the talking towards me and asked if I was a boy or a girl. I said girl because I am. They kept asking if I was sure and I just kept nodding my head and saying yes. At one point I said it doesn't matter, yet they kept provoking the situation and being ignorant idiots. I suffer from severe depression and anxiety and don't like confrontation. She said a LOT of vulgar and disgusting things towards me like where my "tits" were and that she could see a bulge in my pants. This kept going until she unexpectedly reached over while I was looking away and touched me right on my private part. I didn't do anything except yell "Hey!". She began going on about how that's not a "pu**y" and all this other ignorant crap that I don't care about. She said "never lie to a ni**a" and a bunch of other stuff that she thought was offensive to me.

Now, it wasn't the verbal crap that bothered me it was the touching. I could care less about anyone's opinion yet alone someone ignorant. The whole time I mostly just sat and laughed and responded with an "okay...?". Oh, she also tried to snatch my earphones from me while I was listening to music and threw a bag over my head when they left. Honestly, I was more worried about my friend and she also deals with depression and anxiety. My friend did try to stand up for me but they didn't care about what she had to say. I just didn't think something like this would ever happen to me and I'd prefer it not to keep happening. I feel like it will because I always get mixed responses from people and weird looks.

I was sort of phased out of what was actually going on at the time (it's one of my coping mechanisms) and I've never known how to react to being hit or touched; I usually do nothing. I am only like 54 kgs and 5'4 or 5'5 and they were much bigger than me. I wasn't scared of them or anything and I would not back down if things got worse but I'm not the type of person to stoop down to their level and fight back.

The incident hasn't affected me at all, I just find it completely wrong and disgusting. I cannot comprehend the thought patterns of people like this. But yeah, I know I could've threatened to call the cops and all but I couldn't think clearly, the anxiety was getting to me quite bad and it seemed like no one else on that nearly full train didn't want to say anything but whatever.

I'm still considered a minor where I'm from, and I do hope to start HRT or at least blockers soon. I just don't like all this crap I get from these ignorant idiots.

~Valleyrie
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Androgynous_Machine

Try that grabby shit with me and I'll be serving up lead beans for lunch.

My Glock has saved my ass more times than I care to remember.


-AM



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Bombadil

I'm so sorry that happened to you. It was wrong. You handled it as best you could. There's no right way to handle stuff like that. I hope they get caught. It's awesome you reported it.

Things can happen but just because this happened doesn't mean it will keep happening. Eventually you'll get on hormones and sadly, that will make you less than a target.






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Ms Grace

Appalling behaviour, definitely sexual assault. I always move away from annoying people on trains when at all possible.
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~Evelyn~

Ugh some people these days really have the nerve Ill give them that and of course that nerve comes with a complete moron like attitude. I mean who would try to do something that perverted on a train? Its just I mean.. GAH! *is speechless* Anyway these type of people only seek attention and when people look at them they think whatever the hell they are doing is somewhat considered "cool" pfft please. Ignore them they will feel stupid when they see that their efforts to cause a ruckus failed, they would now just sit down and shut up. Anyway I feel so sorry for what has happened to you, here's a big warm hug to help you feel better! *HUG* ;)
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HoneyStrums

sadly people like that exsist all I can say is, don't blame t on your dysphoria.

I got the same treatment, myself in man mode, only it was to say I didn't have one, a few times. always the same sort of temperament, I often feel its In hopes we react "VIOLENTLY" so they can  make a big fuss about exposing violent sexist men, or a violent transgender person and make themselves out to be the victim. and then tell everybody about about it so they can feel like a hero.
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Megan Joanne

I feel for you. Such an uncomfortable, scary situation. You just never know how far people are willing to take it.

One time during my earliest transition points, before I went completely out I was coming out gradually, I was wearing very basic feminine tops, colored nail polish, pretty earrings, a few other minor details to slowly bring out my female side, but still looked like a guy. I was working at the toy store then, sitting in the break room having a snack. Was working dayside at the time because even though I was overnight shift sometimes they tried to save a buck when things got slow and I was moved to days without that extra dollar difference in pay.

Well, now even though quiet always few of words, I wasn't ever one to be completely rude, so anyone sitting nearby or coming by would get a nod of acknowledgement or a quick smile or simple hello. Well, one day with me being fixed up the way I was (again, not really girly, more like a pretty boy), one of the workers, a bike assembler came in, I give him a quick smile not thinking anything of it and continue eating. Well, moments later he comes up from behind me and starts rubbing my shoulders and tells me how handsome I am. Being a virgin and never having anyone ever touch me like that, because the way he was doing it was more than just massaging someone's shoulders, I completely tensed and froze up. It didn't feel right. And he started telling me how I could come over to his house. Some other words I can't recall that startled me out of my stunned state, I tried to shake him off but he held on until I yelled at him to get the f@#$ off of me!

He left me then. I was still sitting there for a few moments trying to understand what just happened to me. My nerves were shot and my extremities were tingling, probably wasn't breathing during that whole encounter. I got up to use the restroom, but again, not really out yet, not portraying myself as a woman yet (no therapy, no hormones, but had come out that I wanted to be a girl to my family), so to the men's room I went. He was in there. I didn't want to show that I was scared so walked passed, I did my business and got out quickly, he watched me like he wanted to eat me up. But I had to go after that ordeal (didn't want to piss all over myself) and still while pondering using the women's room didn't yet have the courage to enter it, and again, still portraying myself as a guy.

I wasn't sure what to do. I had not only been sexually harassed but touched inappropriately as well. So much as I didn't want to I went to the managers about it. I told them every detail that happened, writing it all down as well for records. They said they'd have a talk with him. Afterwards I see him in the office, them talking. Later they tell me that he said (via through another coworker as an interpreter) that he didn't do no such thing nor said anything to me because his English wasn't that good, so he couldn't possibly have carried on any conversation like that with me, and well, no witnesses, its my word against his regarding any of it.

Whether they believed me that he did say and do what he did, I don't know (why would I make up such a thing?), all they did was tell him to stay away from me so that there wouldn't be any problems. It was also hinted at me about how I was dressed, the earrings, nail polish 'n stuff, yeah, I was asking for it. The guy while he did have a heavy Spanish accent, spoke pretty good English, and get this, he was married and had small children too (I forget who told me and when). Well anyway he didn't bother me after that, at least not up close, still whenever he walked by enough to see me I caught him looking for more than a few seconds. I did my best to ignore him and not let it intimidate me; it did, how could it not.

Sure, there may be others that think, what, that wasn't much, get over it, its not like you were raped or something. But something like that could be somewhat traumatizing for someone who'd never had experience with such contact, I've never had any kind of intimacy and this jerk was trying to feel me up in the break room. That scenario messed me up pretty bad for a while. This could still be what keeps me uncomfortable with close contact with others, especially men. Deep down I'm still recoiling from that sickening touch of his.




There was a time later, also working day time, same store, they were trying something new, getting workers to have to do a bit of time once in a while as door greeters. They knew I was extremely uncomfortable with this but made me do it anyway. I stood there mostly fiddling, but a nervous smile or welcome to each customer that came in. I had at this time already come out there that I was transsexual, and shown them the letter from my therapist and was dressing full female attire, this includes a stuffed bra. Most people didn't take a notice, but then these two guys come in, I greet them as I'm supposed to, they stop and take notice of me, kept looking at me, and I knew why, it was my adam's apple they were noticing and said some things to each other, smiling and chuckling. Then one said to me that I was not a woman, that I was a man. I denied it. Yes, you are he said again. No I'm not I repeat, getting antsy. Yes you are, and gesturing at my throat. I said so what. They smiled and laughed some more and mentioned how I wouldn't be dressed like that in their country. That encounter shook me up pretty bad even though there wasn't any touching, there was a hint of threat there. Not just the typical comments like "are you a guy or a girl?"

All my years living my life as a trans-woman I always pass as a cis-woman with one exception, that damn lump at the front of my throat, big give away for those that know to look for it. Ever since then I've always kept my head slightly down. But, I am taking things better in recent times, I've gotten to the point where I stand tall and keep my head up more. @#$% it.

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Ltl89

I'm really sorry you had to deal with those jerks.  That's really messed up.  And the fact that nobody else tried to say anything or intervene sort of annoys me.  I know that nobody wants to get involved most of the times, but seriously, that's just messed up.  This is why I don't like the subway system.  You meet some interesting characters and everyone just sort of keeps to themselves during most confrontation.  In any case, sorry you went through that. 
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Valleyrie

Thank you for the replies and support everyone, they're really helpful. :)

I just find it so absurd and confusing and have never understood people like this. It really disgust me how people need to put others down to make themselves feel accomplished. It's great that there are others on here to relate to and help me feel like I'm not alone.

And wow @Megan, I can't believe that! Maybe it's because I hardly get out of the house but... wow. I'd really like to know the thought process of these people and what makes them think they have the right to touch other people like that. I'm so sorry you had to go through that and I'm sure you didn't make it up. I also have quite a protruding "adam's apple" which I hate very much. Don't let anyone change you or try define the meaning of what makes a person. Everyone is different and they're living a life full of ignorance and fear. I'd rather live a dreadful and horrible life any time than one that's full of happiness and ignorance. If someone told me they were a girl and looked like the most masculine person in the world I would not question them or judge them at all (same with anything else; just an example). I would accept and believe them and would see absolutely nothing wrong with them. We're all human and no one is any superior or inferior to others. People can say whatever the hell they want and try dictate you but the only thing that matters is what is true to you.

I too hate the subway system a lot but there's no other way for me to make it to my groups/appointments without getting my parents to drive me. It's a pretty far drive and cost a lot of time and money, unfortunately.
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kira21 ♡♡♡

A similar thing happened to me in a night club.  I was trying to present male early on in transition and failed. People couldn't tell what gender I was and I got surrounded by a group of lads.  They put their hands everywhere. I reported it to the club owner but he didn't care and I didn't tell the police.

It makes you more afraid of groups of men that's for sure.

crowcrow223

Quote from: Megan Joanne on May 31, 2014, 01:24:15 AM
There was a time later, also working day time, same store, they were trying something new, getting workers to have to do a bit of time once in a while as door greeters. They knew I was extremely uncomfortable with this but made me do it anyway. I stood there mostly fiddling, but a nervous smile or welcome to each customer that came in. I had at this time already come out there that I was transsexual, and shown them the letter from my therapist and was dressing full female attire, this includes a stuffed bra. Most people didn't take a notice, but then these two guys come in, I greet them as I'm supposed to, they stop and take notice of me, kept looking at me, and I knew why, it was my adam's apple they were noticing and said some things to each other, smiling and chuckling. Then one said to me that I was not a woman, that I was a man. I denied it. Yes, you are he said again. No I'm not I repeat, getting antsy. Yes you are, and gesturing at my throat. I said so what. They smiled and laughed some more and mentioned how I wouldn't be dressed like that in their country. That encounter shook me up pretty bad even though there wasn't any touching, there was a hint of threat there. Not just the typical comments like "are you a guy or a girl?"

All my years living my life as a trans-woman I always pass as a cis-woman with one exception, that damn lump at the front of my throat, big give away for those that know to look for it. Ever since then I've always kept my head slightly down. But, I am taking things better in recent times, I've gotten to the point where I stand tall and keep my head up more. @#$% it.

I feel so much for you in this situation, I know exactly what you were going through... I had worse experience when I got clocked in the past but these two guys' behaviour was just obscene. Keep it strong girl!!!

Valleyrie, next time, maybe you could leave the train and wait for another one? I know it seems more like an escape rather than a courageous stand for yourself but sometimes it's just better to runaway... I'm thankful to God I was never assaulted for being trans, I only faced verbal aggression and attack.

I'm proud of You both, You're my inspiration, and I love You girls <3
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Rachel

Val, hugs

They are jerks and you did well. It sounds like you are well grounded and know it is they who are screwed up and not you.
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Zoe Louise Taylor

Should you ever find yourself the victim of other peoples bitterness, smallness or insecurities, remember things could be worse . . . you could be them!!

This is something that ive really tried to remember since I started living as s woman, and something that I will keep trying to remember throughout my transition!!
Im so much happier since ive come out, but theres always people who will try to knock you and put you down!

I just think to myself how bad must things be for them if there willing to tske time out of there pathetic lives, to try and be hateful towards someone else! It takes a very bitter and sad person to do that!!

I just try and concentrate on the good people in my life, and try not to let people who are hurtful get me down, as id rather be me than them!!

Anyway, I hope u are ok honey . . . dont let hurtful people makr you upset! Your amazing, and you have alot of people on this forum who care about you!!

Love
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stephaniec

sorry to hear this , once the vulgarity started you should of got out of there I live by Chicago and was going to work on the transit system late at night . I made the mistake of getting on the last car. I was sitting there minding my own business looking straight ahead . Some one came from behind me and kick me in the back of the head. luckily I wasn't knock out. It almost knocked me out I saw the blackness coming , but I managed to stay awake . got the hell out of there next stop.
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Jill E

That's monstrous!! I don't understand how people can have so much hate for others that they would dehumanize someone like that. I'm so sorry you were put through this & I'm happy to hear you told the authorities. I hope you get justice for how you were treated.

10,000 big hugs to you. You'll be in my thoughts.
Jill



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Valleyrie

You girls are awesome. Next time I'm going to definitely try and keep a clear mind if something like this were to happen again. For a second after she touched me I was about to kick her in the face, but then that feeling subsided (would've loved to lol >.<). It's weird because my mind just completely phases out to sort of 'stop' myself from feeling when things get too intense.

I'm doing better now. It's really sickening to hear some of the stuff that's happened to some of you. ;x
I wasn't going to report the incident because I thought there would be no point but they were very understanding and sincere about the whole thing. I'd definitely report anything like this, I know it may seem scary and all but these idiots don't deserve to get away with this crap. This isn't going to stop me from taking public transport. I remember a few months ago when a big goal of mine was to take public transport by myself for the first time in my life. I couldn't imagine me doing it but I've made it and it feels great. :)

Thanks for all the replies, they mean a lot! If anyone has any tips for staying calm or what I should do in a situation like this I'd really appreciate it. <3!

~Valleyrie
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Jill F

Quote from: kira21 ♡♡♡ on May 31, 2014, 04:53:13 AM
A similar thing happened to me in a night club.  I was trying to present male early on in transition and failed. People couldn't tell what gender I was and I got surrounded by a group of lads.  They put their hands everywhere. I reported it to the club owner but he didn't care and I didn't tell the police.

It makes you more afraid of groups of men that's for sure.

The number one thing I avoid is groups of younger, drunken men.  I never chance encountering them alone, especially at night.
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kira21 ♡♡♡

Quote from: Jill F on June 01, 2014, 08:29:00 PM
The number one thing I avoid is groups of younger, drunken men.  I never chance encountering them alone, especially at night.

Me too,  I was with two friends who I thought were right behind me.  They turned up shortly after and saw them off or who knows what would have happened.  Nobody in the club did anything. :-\  I haven't been out to a club since but I would check that someone was with me all the time now.