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Started by TrojanMan, June 07, 2014, 12:27:30 AM

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TrojanMan

So, I've recently started weight training and I'm concerned about the changes I may have. First of all, let me say that I have the physical shape of a lazy teenage cis boy. I have no hour glass or large rear end or thighs, and really have no distinct feminine feature besides the chesticles of course. That being said, I don't want my working out to have effects that make me have the features mentioned above. If you have any tips or experience with this, please share. Thanks

ChrisRokk

I don't think you have to worry about weightlifting giving you a feminine body.  If you are really afraid, you can focus a little more on your upper body.  Please do not completely neglect your legs, though; they are important.
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Silver Centurion

How do you go about decreasing the rear/thigh issue? Is it squats or do squats make things worse? I haven't started an exercise plan yet and am curious as to what is best.
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DriftingCrow

If you don't have a feminine shape now, body building likely won't give you one.

Quote from: Silver Centurion on June 07, 2014, 06:01:05 PM
How do you go about decreasing the rear/thigh issue? Is it squats or do squats make things worse? I haven't started an exercise plan yet and am curious as to what is best.

Decrease by burning the fat off first, otherwise doing lots of squats/other low body exercises will build the muscles underneath the layer of fat, making it look a lot bigger.
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Tysilio

Pre-T, bodybuilding isn't going to change your shape very much, except by toning muscles and helping get rid of fat. What it WILL do is increase your strength and, done correctly, your flexibility; at this stage, I'd focus more on strength training than on "bodybuilding." The two use many of the same exercises, but the focus is different, so the two approach things like the number of sets/reps very differently. Bodybuilders typically do a lot of isolation exercises for high volume (lots of sets and reps), while strength training tends to be more focused on lower reps at higher weights and on moves that involve your whole body: squats, deadlifts, bench presses, bent-over rows, and the Olympic-style moves like the snatch and clean and jerk.

One nice thing about strength-oriented workouts is that they can be a lot shorter than bodybuilding workouts; the latter can easily run a couple of hours or more, compared to 45 min. to an hour for a strength workout.

The good thing about concentrating on strength pre-T, IMHO, is that you're not gonna bulk up much without T anyway, and the stronger you are when you do start T, the more weight you'll be able to lift, and that will help you bulk up faster.

A program I like is Stronglifts 5x5. It's short, simple, and it's worked well for me. You might also check out Elliott Hulse on YouTube (Strengthcamp). He's nowhere near as much of a jerk as he seems at first, and his approach is sensible: build functional strength and muscle size will follow. Here's one thing I learned from his videos: if you're worried about getting a big butt from squatting, do front squats instead of conventional ones. Front squats work your quads more than your glutes.

This approach is working well for me: I'm a lot stronger, I've dropped five pant sizes in about a year and a half, and after 3-plus months on T, I'm starting to see some bigger muscles, especially in my upper body.

Not too bad for a geezer, and younger guys can do even better, I think.
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Silver Centurion

Yeah, I was concerned about squats making things worse but that website is very informative! I saved it out and am going to read through it and watch all the videos. I haven't been paying attention to the scale for a long time because it never takes into account how a person feels and how many inches they are losing around their body and the number on the scale can be very demoralizing. I'm definitely going to try the 5x5 thing for sure. Thanks!
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Bimmer Guy

Quote from: Tysilio on June 07, 2014, 09:03:53 PM
Pre-T, bodybuilding isn't going to change your shape very much, except by toning muscles and helping get rid of fat. What it WILL do is increase your strength and, done correctly, your flexibility; at this stage, I'd focus more on strength training than on "bodybuilding." The two use many of the same exercises, but the focus is different, so the two approach things like the number of sets/reps very differently. Bodybuilders typically do a lot of isolation exercises for high volume (lots of sets and reps), while strength training tends to be more focused on lower reps at higher weights and on moves that involve your whole body: squats, deadlifts, bench presses, bent-over rows, and the Olympic-style moves like the snatch and clean and jerk.

One nice thing about strength-oriented workouts is that they can be a lot shorter than bodybuilding workouts; the latter can easily run a couple of hours or more, compared to 45 min. to an hour for a strength workout.

The good thing about concentrating on strength pre-T, IMHO, is that you're not gonna bulk up much without T anyway, and the stronger you are when you do start T, the more weight you'll be able to lift, and that will help you bulk up faster.

A program I like is Stronglifts 5x5. It's short, simple, and it's worked well for me. You might also check out Elliott Hulse on YouTube (Strengthcamp). He's nowhere near as much of a jerk as he seems at first, and his approach is sensible: build functional strength and muscle size will follow. Here's one thing I learned from his videos: if you're worried about getting a big butt from squatting, do front squats instead of conventional ones. Front squats work your quads more than your glutes.

This approach is working well for me: I'm a lot stronger, I've dropped five pant sizes in about a year and a half, and after 3-plus months on T, I'm starting to see some bigger muscles, especially in my upper body.

Not too bad for a geezer, and younger guys can do even better, I think.

Thanks for the above information.  I want to get back into lifting and pretty much just focused on my upper body in the past.
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Tysilio

Quote from: Silver Centurion on June 08, 2014, 12:43:17 AM
Yeah, I was concerned about squats making things worse but that website is very informative! I saved it out and am going to read through it and watch all the videos. I haven't been paying attention to the scale for a long time because it never takes into account how a person feels and how many inches they are losing around their body and the number on the scale can be very demoralizing. I'm definitely going to try the 5x5 thing for sure. Thanks!

You're welcome, SC. And I'm totally with you about not focusing on the scale. The only time I weigh myself is when I go to the doctor -- which has been fairly often over the past few months, what with starting T. If I weigh myself at home, I get discouraged by all the inevitable little ups and downs, so I just focus on how my clothes fit. (Almost everything I own is now, at best, too baggy -- terrible problem to have, eh?)

I don't "diet," either -- just try to eat a healthy diet, including cutting out as much fat as possible, and watch portion sizes a bit.

Quote from: BrettThanks for the above information.  I want to get back into lifting and pretty much just focused on my upper body in the past.
I'm glad it's useful.

Yeah, I think it's important to strengthen the whole body in a balanced way. I do focus a bit more on my upper body, but I spent a couple of months working hard on strengthening my core, so that I could do deadlifts and squats correctly and without hurting myself. One of the things I like about Hulse is how much he stresses (and teaches!) good form in every exercise -- it's way better to do the exercise right and lock in that movement pattern with lower weights than to try to lift as much weight as you can right away; you just end up cheating, and sooner or later you'll hurt yourself.

I used to lift when I was younger, but quit a few years ago, for various reasons -- it feels fantastic to get back to it.
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Silver Centurion

Yeah when the scale says that you haven't lost weight or that you have gained when your clothes are three or more sizes too big it's like really? LOL. I used to lift quite a lot years ago then I stopped. It'll be nice to get back into it again and not relying on the machines so heavily. I haven't really dieted either just cut out foods I was allergic to and didn't know and that has helped quite a lot. Now if only I could give up eating a ton of red meat!
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bambam

Yeah, weight lifting is my fave. I hate cardio but understand that it's necessary to kick start things. Walking helps a lot as well.


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