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Freedom, social self-acceptance, comfort zones,rationalization

Started by Satinjoy, June 18, 2014, 08:34:51 AM

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Satinjoy

Quickly as I am at work, and I just received some powerful validation from one of our members that has floored me in a very good way.  Have not read new posts yet

In many ways I am forced to be genderqueer in presentation due to circumstances, in order to protect my wife's comfort or better said discomfort zones, and my daughters.  Left to my own true center and unchecked dysphoria the beard would be off and at home the female attire would be on.  But I choose not to do this, I choose to accept the genderqueer presentation since it is acceptable to my close family, a gift indeed, but I have to use mind tricks to deal with the image in the mirror, and focus on the core inside out as opposed to outside in presentations.  It is acceptable, but requires savvy to accept it and to make it work.  It requires effort.  And it can be clouded by dysphoria, by resentment at having to accept conditions as they are, and when the center moves, as it did this morning toward my female self.  My hormones are up there is probably a direct link.

I also struggle with social self-acceptance, for if I fully accepted myself, I would not be so defensive, and I might morph less.  There would be freedom of expression or at least freedom to not repress feelings so much.  Freedom to drop self defence mechanisms used for decades to get by.  So I rationalize, projecting my self image onto expected responses from others, sabotaging my opportunity to be free.

Thoughts on the topic my dear friends?  Freedom, self-acceptance, forced comfort zones vs impacting others discomfort zones and the consequences thereof?

God Bless and Love to All Here.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Cindy

I obviously don't know your personal circumstance, but when I was coming out I was terrified of losing everything. In the end the only person who I had to protect was me. (It took a long time to realise that)

My family would have lost me anyway; grieve at my funeral or grieve for their supposed loss.

I chose life.
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Paige

Quote from: Satinjoy on June 18, 2014, 08:34:51 AM
I just received some powerful validation from one of our members that has floored me in a very good way. 

Hi Satinjoy,

Just curious what was the validation you referred to?

Your situation sounds very similar to mine, wife, daughters, etc.  Interesting I had a beard for 25 years.    I had to shave it off, even though my wife prefers the beard.  I couldn't take it anymore.  Looking young with a beard when you have gender dysphoria is one thing.  Looking like an old guy with a gray beard almost put me over the edge.  I had to shave.

I wonder how many TGs use a beard to hide their femaleness?

Take care,
Paige  :)
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Sammy

I am always struggling with what is considered to be a genderqueer presentation... Indeed, there is wide spectrum to that, including what we recently saw on the Eurovision. But that was - to my understanding - quite a scenic version of genderqueer, the one which does not fit for everyday life of c mere mortals (especially if those mortals are preserving their comfort zones and do not want to stand out).
Anyway, for me, even more mediocre level of genderqueerity (lol) would be quite challenging because in my opinion GQ does and will always trump androgynous presentation in all possible aspects, so I stick with the latter. Issues and causes for that? To certain extent, working environment and making my direct boss happy. Myself, being a part of lower/medium level managment - and not being out to everyone - at times, I need conservative and professional presentation, and thanks Goddess, I have re-learned to be assertive in a much softer manner than before, and it still works (even better, tbh).
Other family members? No, not really, because it has cost me relationship. Personal safety? Perhaps, but curiously, I get the most inquisitive stares when I am dressed in previous male clothing and not trying anything andro. But yes, I have to agree that self-acceptance most probably plays significant role in this.
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luna nyan

I never had enough facial hair to grow a goatee, let alone a beard, but I absolutely loathed the feel of stubble.  I don't think I could have ever handled growing a beard.

Self acceptance of being trans has been difficult, coming from a very conservative background.  If I had my time again, I would be more insistent, but I'm past the point of regretting, as I've made my choice, and I'm in too deep, with way too much debt, both financial and emotional.

My children take priority over all - and I can carry on as I am for them.
Drifting down the river of life...
My 4+ years non-transitioning HRT experience
Ask me anything!  I promise you I know absolutely everything about nothing! :D
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Satinjoy

Quote from: Paige on June 18, 2014, 09:01:44 AM
Hi Satinjoy,

Just curious what was the validation you referred to?

Paige  :)

I received a pm from a long time member of the forum who I greatly admire and esteem.  Sh'e made me feel wonderful and welcome here.  I have felt that way before, but coming from h'er it absolutely floored me.  I doubt sh'e has any idea how much respect and awe I have for her posts and wisdom. 

I love this place.  :)

Thank you for your posts.  Today has been special and I had another pm later from another trusted soul that just giftwrapped it.  I feel good.

Love to all here
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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Shantel

Another great thread here!
    I suppose that living in the real world outside of the cloistered fantasy we all enjoy here at Susan's Place we are beset with the obligation of dealing with our own daily reality at home, in the workplace and in social environments. Fortunately some of us are more able than others to deal with the social constructs in order to remain functional and provide for those who count on us. Some aren't and they succumb to the pressures to transition completely and take their chances at big losses in terms of family, friends and income. I don't slight them for it, they are brave and I admire that, we all have freewill options as to which road to travel and hopefully we make the right choices.

    I don't like to shave and often wonder what the Big Kahuna had in mind when He made us grow whiskers on our faces. Do I want to look like a Walrus or a Neanderthal? I went to electrolysis sessions on a bi-monthly basis for two years and had much of it cleared and finally quit. I still have to shave or else I can see those now silver shafts twinkling back at me and I don't like them. I enjoy my life now having opted for what I've coined as a Transdrogynous presentation as I am regarded as someone slightly eccentric but friendly and fun to be around and I enjoy that distinction. There are occasions that I do get ma-am'ed and hear "You ladies" when I'm out with my spouse, but not that often and I will admit that I get a cheap thrill and have to smile and wonder if they need new glasses. Perhaps it's the mix of male and female attire or my pudgy chest making a visual statement.

   To my lady friends I am that androgynous male that can think with both sides of my brain and talk girly chat about relationship dynamics, clothing styles, shopping, reductions, menopause, hysterectomies, hot flashes, night sweats babies, grandchildren and on and on, with enthusiasm and empathy, amid tears, hugs and laughter.

   To my wife and kids I am husband, he, dad and grandpa. To my male friends I am the occasional hunting buddy that can talk deer, elk, bear, wild turkey, rifles, handguns, reloading, ballistics, trajectories and velocities. I balk at campfire jokes about women and women's body parts and they respect that and themselves for abstaining.

   To my trans friends I am Shantel, a female, she and her and feel very comfortable with that and know I am in good company with my sisters.

I find that I can be all things to all the people that matter in my life as a transdrogynous, non-binary person. It's a comfort zone for those who prefer to keep their lives intact with the least amount of disruption and still be true to themselves, not for everyone, just a call for certain special people who can!
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helen2010

Shantel

It seems that the power and benefits of a non binary identity and/or presentation are becoming more visible and accepted.  In our normative, binarised daily lives there is something immensely powerful in being fully present and un blinkered by binary thinking, lenses and presentation.  With appropriate shifts I can indeed move fluidly to best express myself and engage with all those who are important to me.

Every day brings new insights.   I am almost over the gender thing.  As a fully functioning individual I can't adopt a binary, or rigid presentation or identity if I wish to tap into the full range of human qualities and experiences.

Btw even with low dose hrt removing my dysphoria and FFA (mild FFS), I had to remove every last whisker from my face;  back, chest, leg and shoulder hair followed.   Having tried so hard to be the best example of a binary male ever to walk on this planet I now reject binary anything.   I will never be strait jacketed again. .... and I feel more sane than I ever have.

Aisla
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Shantel

There's a much broader spectrum of freedom available for those who adapt to a fluid non-binary lifestyle. Spent my day out taking care of chores with my spouse by my side wearing a white baseball cap with an aggressive crush on the bill, I have MPB on top but my spouse loves the wild silver grey hair looking as if I'm an old manic symphony orchestra director. Wearing black skinny jeans, Josef Seibel women's medium sandals. (I've got B width feet and women's mediums are perfect.) And this teal long sleeve women's Henley T-top with the sleeves rolled up to my elbows over a white Coobie bra. Yeah a little cleavage shows, but for the most part I feel comfortable being just me and frankly don't stick out like a total dork, because if I did she would tell me and we'd correct the presentation with a little fine tuning. Just posting my androgynous day to be an encouragement to  my non-binary brother/sisters.

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Shantel

Quote from: Aisla on June 18, 2014, 01:38:00 PM

Btw even with low dose hrt removing my dysphoria and FFA (mild FFS), I had to remove every last whisker from my face;  back, chest, leg and shoulder hair followed.   Having tried so hard to be the best example of a binary male ever to walk on this planet I now reject binary anything.   I will never be strait jacketed again. .... and I feel more sane than I ever have.

Aisla

Nothing wrong with trying to be an attractive person as possible, I'm with you on that issue. I lucked out with zero body hair other than the two usual places. One thing that has always grossed me out is the propensity to have nose and ear hairs, I stay on top of that as a matter of personal grooming including clean armpits and trimmed neither area. My spouse prefers me that way which is a plus as some like the real studly types with a rug growing on their chest.
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helen2010

Ah I forgot to mention the delight of galvanic electrolysis for ear hair - probes inserted into the ear are an interesting experience.    Decided not to allow  nasal insertion - this is where 'discomfort' becomes pain!

Aisla
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luna nyan

Quote from: Aisla on June 19, 2014, 12:58:51 AM
Ah I forgot to mention the delight of galvanic electrolysis for ear hair - probes inserted into the ear are an interesting experience.    Decided not to allow  nasal insertion - this is where 'discomfort' becomes pain!

Aisla
*wince*
A dentist could probably numb the nose as well!  But imagine going in and asking!
Drifting down the river of life...
My 4+ years non-transitioning HRT experience
Ask me anything!  I promise you I know absolutely everything about nothing! :D
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Satinjoy

I guess inside the nose isn't a comfort zone is it...

Got good stuff out of this.  I just want to be me.  Take away from Shantel and Aisla:  comfort zone redefined as that which is at peace with others fluidly, from a place that is genuine.  Also compromises not selfish or selfless but just there automatically. Cool, that kills off pride and resentments straight up, because there is no sacrifice to make, and then hang your wig on as being something you did, so your partner "owes you" as she or he cannot know your dysphoric pain and sacrifice.

Better to naturally be fluid and comfortable with everyone.

Good lesson there.  That would be freeing.  I'll grab the new paradyne and run with it.

Thanks all.
Morpheus: This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the red pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the little blue pills - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes

Sh'e took the little blue ones.
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helen2010

Quote from: luna nyan on June 19, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
*wince*
A dentist could probably numb the nose as well!  But imagine going in and asking!

Possibly, but my dentist is still paying school fees so I suspect that he would take the opportunity to cap a few teeth, and then suggest an implant or 2 which would increase rather than numb my pain. :D

Aisla
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Shantel

Quote from: Aisla on June 19, 2014, 04:45:02 PM
Possibly, but my dentist is still paying school fees so I suspect that he would take the opportunity to cap a few teeth, and then suggest an implant or 2 which would increase rather than numb my pain. :D

Aisla

Waaaaa Hahaha don't I know, I'm getting two implants $$$$
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luna nyan

Quote from: Shantel on June 19, 2014, 06:40:45 PM
Waaaaa Hahaha don't I know, I'm getting two implants $$$$

And thats why you floss your teeth,  :D 

I hope you're having name brand implants placed - there are some really bad ones out there - make sure you look after them and be regular in seeing the dentist.

Quote from: Aisla on June 19, 2014, 04:45:02 PM
Possibly, but my dentist is still paying school fees so I suspect that he would take the opportunity to cap a few teeth, and then suggest an implant or 2 which would increase rather than numb my pain. :D
Perhaps you'd end up in such shock that nothing would ever faze you again!  Most of them are a decent lot.
Drifting down the river of life...
My 4+ years non-transitioning HRT experience
Ask me anything!  I promise you I know absolutely everything about nothing! :D
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Shantel

Quote from: luna nyan on June 19, 2014, 10:14:41 PM
And thats why you floss your teeth,  :D 

I hope you're having name brand implants placed - there are some really bad ones out there - make sure you look after them and be regular in seeing the dentist.
Perhaps you'd end up in such shock that nothing would ever faze you again!  Most of them are a decent lot.

I've always been a big flosser, thanks for the good advice though!

I had a molar pulled several years ago because I couldn't afford a root canal and a crown at the time, dental insurance is extremely expensive and generally not worth carrying. Since then I've come under VA care and they gave me a gold bridge which worked out for several years until one of the supporting teeth developed a deep crack and the whole works had to be removed. I now have half an ounce of gold in my jewelry box and have been going through the lengthy process in preparation for two implants toward the back which will make chewing on both sides so nice for a change. Got two titanium screws in there now, next the crowns themselves. VA dental doctors come from U of W dental school and are quite thorough. I couldn't have afforded it on my own as it's extremely expensive. Everybody take care of your teeth!

Sorry for blathering, we need to stay on topic!
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helen2010

Luna

Back to topic.  Yesterday I asked my electrologist in Sydney, whether dentists had provided blocks for her patients.  She said that it had happened until one of her patients had fainted in the dental surgery post block.  The dentist then decided that the small profit involved was not worth the hassle and they no longer provide this service.

Pity really as I detest nasal hair and vigorous plucking always seems to tear the cartilage and lead to infection.

Interestingly my dentist has zero nasal hair so suspect that dentists are blocking each other! :D

Aisla
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luna nyan

Quote from: Aisla on June 20, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
Interestingly my dentist has zero nasal hair so suspect that dentists are blocking each other! :D

Aisla
How could you tell?  They're always wearing masks! *lol*
And I've always wondered whether a dentist could actually make any income from an anaesthetic injection...

SJ,

As Shantel and Aisla have said, find a happy medium of presentation for yourself.  Eventually people will just write you off as eccentric when nothing bad happens from knowing you.  We can often be social chameleons - being who we need to be in a given situation, but the important part is protecting and being true to your core self.

Personally, I find myself often doing so, although I restrain myself from acting in the way a woman would, particularly more so since going on HRT.
Drifting down the river of life...
My 4+ years non-transitioning HRT experience
Ask me anything!  I promise you I know absolutely everything about nothing! :D
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