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Trans* and Feminist

Started by Peacebone, January 15, 2015, 05:30:45 AM

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Peacebone

I'm a feminist transguy... I was involved in a feminist group for a while when I identified as non-binary... I guess one issue I had with the group is that a couple of men spoke a lot on issues (I can't say if they're cis or trans*, but I know they ID as guys) when in my view, the space should be more about women and women's experiences and how we can make a better world... Note, the topics at the time were to do with sexual harassment in bars and organising a feminist conference. I do think men have a part to play in fighting sexism as much for ourselves and for women, but I do think we need to take a back seat in letting women lead this struggle...

However, when you have experienced sexism because you've been perceived as a woman, it's different (and no doubt, when people come out as MtF, or non-binary these are very different experiences. I'm sorry if this is a bit FtM focused).

I'm interested in hearing from other people about being involved in feminist groups. I'm pre-everything in terms of hormones and get read as a woman, but I can't speak as a woman, despite having had experiences that are shared with women. It all feels incredibly complex...

How does being feminist and trans* feel to you?


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IAmDariaQuinn

I've been known to jump on my Facebook (the one I use under my birth name) and go on and on and on about feminist issues, equality, LGTB stuff, and over the past year, trans issues.  I saw this hate-ad some idiot put in a newspaper... don't remember where... that really set me off, so much so, I was afraid I almost outed myself, and this was, like, six months ago, when I was still struggling with whether or not I could even admit to believing I was trans.  I was so angry about this hateful dreck calling a trans female teen a "male in the shower with your daughter", like we're all sexual deviants just looking for an excuse to troll for sex.  And yet, I was so scared that by getting this angry so publicly, to all of my friends, only a handful could really ever begin to understand how I might be feeling... I'm honestly glad my friends just buy into the idea of me being something of a liberal blowhard, sometimes, because I'm honestly amazed that anyone paying attention for the past year isn't asking me if I have gender issues.

Just coming from the MtF side, I'm starting to realize I didn't take up these causes as a male ally, I took them up as a woman who just hasn't fully realized herself, yet.  And yet, I'm very self-conscious about getting too far ahead in my male identity in all of this, because I agree, this really is more of a female space.  Maybe it's been learning about the Riot Grrl movement, and how bands like Bikini Kill would mandate a "girls to the front" policy at their shows, because they believed that women needed to create their own space in punk subculture because they weren't always welcome, otherwise.  But I've been picking up on the whole idea that feminist culture is, at least in part, an attempt by women to create their own space to express themselves and be creative and heard without the encroachment of males, because even in my own experience attempting to be "just another guy", men aren't good at letting people have their space.  I can't even use a men's room as a man and expect any real privacy in a stall.  Why?  Because men think they're entitled to that space, even from other men.  At least, that's what my experience with men has taught me.

So here I am, this person with boy parts, who wants to be able to call themself a feminist and support women-focused ventures.  And I think it's great that people like the one I try to be as I present myself to the world as male and Joss Whedon want to espouse feminist ideas and bring feminism to an audience that wouldn't care about it otherwise.  But I also have this major guilt complex about it, because in a lot of ways, even if I am really a girl in my own mind, other women may not want me here in their space.  Even when it feels just as much my space, because men... they like to be in other people's spaces.  And they see me as a man.

It's weird.  On one hand, if I stay silent, what Patriarchy there actually is wins.  But speaking up... my voice my not be wanted, no matter how much I Identify as female, even once I would transition.  Worse yet, transitioning could be seen by some feminists as an egregious  encroachment of their space. 

Sometimes, I feel like I don't really have a country, so to speak. 

Asche

There's been a fair amount of discussion on this on feminist blogs and discussion sites, actually.  John Scalzi (SF writer) recently "formally" came out as a feminist.  From what I can see, the things to watch out for if you're male (or were raised as male) are:

1.   Don't talk over women.  See the OP about men dominating the discussion in a group about women's issues.  If you've been raised male, this will take constant, conscious effort to (a) give women space to speak and (b) listen to what they say when they do and give what they say equal weight to what you think.  If it's about women's experiences, give it a lot more weight.  (That last should be a no-brainer, but sadly, it doesn't seem to be.)

FWIW, I've seen this in mixed groups of trans men and trans women, too.

2.   Don't speak for women.  A large part of feminism is the idea that women's voices should be heard.  If you're in a mixed group and someone says or does something sexist or misogynistic, give the women present space to speak up if they choose, and if they speak up but are ignored, you can support their right to be heard.  On the other hand, don't put women on the spot.  If a woman says nothing, she may have her reasons.

3.  Don't make it all about you.  If a woman complains about all the @#$% she gets from "men," don't focus on how you're not that way or how you're hurt (or how it makes it hard for you to get laid :( .)  This is another aspect of "listen to women."

4.  Try to signal-boost women's voices.  All too often, women will say something and nobody pays attention.  Then a man says the same thing and that's all anyone wants to listen to.

Anybody got any other do's and don'ts?

ETA: 5.  Don't expect a cookie for being feminist.  It really just comes down to being a decent human being.  Nobody gives you an attaboy for using the toilet instead of the living room rug, being non-sexist is in the same category.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Peacebone

^ Yes, I have heard some transmen can be problematic in some trans feminist spaces spaces.
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