Quote from: mac1 on July 02, 2014, 07:00:05 AM
What is wrong with paying for your own preventive care?
I don't know. Nothing. Except that preventive medical care tends to keep people healthier longer, lowering the cost of healthcare for everyone, and because preventive medical care for many medical reasons (not just pregnancy) is often not covered or not covered enough for americans under health insurance which is why we have a health system in the U.S. that doesn't actually keep people healthy and there's a movement in the medical field to re-name the U.S. health system as the U.S. sick system.
But let's be honest. This is nothing more than Hobby Lobby looking for any reason they can to be exempt from the ACA, and men who run a corporation targeting women specifically on religious grounds, and
that is what people are upset about.
This is the same reason why Viagra and vasectomies are still covered under hobby lobby's health insurance.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/30/hobby-lobby-viagra_n_5543916.html.
It's a double standard, and what bothers me more is, if health insurance companies start covering us (Which is slowly starting to happen), will Hobby Lobby and other companies be able to now say that they can deny us coverage as well for treatment for transition (A group of procedures often ok with insurance companies for non transition reasons) for religious reasons? Will a business that has Jehova's Witness as the CEO suddenly be able to deny blood transfusions to their employees and their families under their health insurance?
And that's assuming we can even get or hold a job in such a company at all due to discrimination for religious reasons. Does this make it so they can openly avoid hiring transgender people all together due to religious reasons even in states that have laws that attempt to prevent that?
The implications from this ruling from what I understand of it are simply staggering. They are saying that the religious rights of a corporation trump the rights of
all of their employees. This effectively makes it so that freedom of religion in the united states now means "Freedom of religion for white cisgender rich christian men" because they now have the legal authority to impose their will on their employees.
If I'm wrong about what this means and the ruling ONLY applies to a specific limited number of treatments for preventative pregnancy targeting 'morning after' pills ... then isn't this ruling specifically targeting people capable of becoming pregnant and their choices only? What's an equivalent for people not able to get pregnant to this? This ruling targets a specific group of the population to limit their choices in favor of the whims of a company's religious views (...It's strange that a non organic, soulless, non life form can even be said to HAVE religious views in the first place) no matter how one cuts it and that is wrong.
Another thing Hobby Lobby has I think seriously misjudged, is that a lot of their shoppers
are artists who tend to be progressive and frown on companies trying to remove liberties of individuals in favor of companies. And
this artist will not set foot in Hobby Lobby again.
Quote from: mac1 on July 02, 2014, 07:00:05 AM
When I was young everybody had to pay for all of their own medical and dental care. There was no such thing as medical insurance. You can also purchase coverage in addition to that which your employer provides.
Yeah, but now the cost of medical treatment has skyrocketed. Even with the ACA many people don't have dental insurance and can't afford it because the insurance is too expensive as well. Medical treatment costs a lot more than it did when you were younger, which is probably why health insurance exists now to begin with. As for purchasing additional health insurance, yeah you have that choice ... but how many people can realistically afford to do that when we live in a world where many working people can barely afford the health insurance through their job as it is because of the cost of insurance alone? Even WITH insurance, medical procedures, even unarguably necessary ones for things like heart issue and respiratory problems that no one could argue against not being necessary (except of course, for religious reasons), are extremely expensive.
