Brain--What you doing?!

[Brandon]

Christians don't all believe that you aren't a man if you do 'this' or don't do 'that' or that you aren't a woman if you do 'this' or don't do 'that'.   

Trust me, the world will not end if a man has a child.  You may not agree with it or like it, but this poster doesn't need you hating on his possible choices. 

It'd be a lot simpler to use your wife's egg and the sperm of a male you are related to.  Otherwise you have to take a regimen of female hormones to ready your body to produce eggs and then have a surgical procedure for the egg retrieval.   

Most christians do and trust me I am far from a hater because he's the one who is going to have alot of explainning to do. Thats why you freeze them Ill have the money for it. Again its a free country and you should be able to do what you wanna do but that is confusing and I am sure many transguys would agree it defeats the whole purpose. I can understand wanting it to be related to you but. Even my dad is just a doner and he wouldn't be my father if he didn't love me or provide for me, same with my mom.

[Brandon]

Nothing wrong with having a child as a trans* man, don't listen to others biased bigotry of social construct of what a man can and can't do . Just be you

I am not a bigot far from it dude.

[Skyler]

Not really sure how its hard to explain that your father is a transgender male who gave birth to a child.

[Brandon]

Not really sure how its hard to explain that your father is a transgender male who gave birth to a child.

Dude a man is not suppose to give birth you know how many people think transmen are a joke because of it(Thomas Beatie). Know I completely understand if you had the child before you knew that, or if you were raped I whole heartedly get that. But I can not understand for the life of me why you would want to willingly want to do that.

[Brandon]

But it is a free country and he has the right to do what he wants. I'm not knocking him for it but I do find odd and confusing. I am more liberal but I also know that confusion is not good.

[SX0877]

You live in a way because it fits who you are and what you need, not because it is less confusing for others.
So just do you what you feel like doing

[aross1015]

Most christians do and trust me I am far from a hater because he's the one who is going to have alot of explainning to do. Thats why you freeze them Ill have the money for it. Again its a free country and you should be able to do what you wanna do but that is confusing and I am sure many transguys would agree it defeats the whole purpose. I can understand wanting it to be related to you but.

Defeats the whole purpose of what?  Transitioning?  The purpose of transitioning is to feel more comfortable in your own body and be seen as your true gender.  Do you know how many trans men have lived as men, been pregnant (while still living as men), had the child, and are currently still being seen as men (some even while having the knowledge out there that they birthed their own child?  Quite a few.  For some people having a child that is related to them is so important that they are willing to put up with the dysphoria of being pregnant in order to have that child.

Even my dad is just a doner and he wouldn't be my father if he didn't love me or provide for me, same with my mom.

Honestly, I really can't understand a lot of what you are trying to say.  The spelling and sentence structure is just unreadable. 

BTW, you shouldn't be so quick to side with gender rigid people on the "men do only this and women do only that", because most of them are ones that would say you are not a man, but rather a delusional woman. 

[Brandon]

Defeats the whole purpose of what?  Transitioning?  The purpose of transitioning is to feel more comfortable in your own body and be seen as your true gender.  Do you know how many trans men have lived as men, been pregnant (while still living as men), had the child, and are currently still being seen as men (some even while having the knowledge out there that they birthed their own child?  Quite a few.  For some people having a child that is related to them is so important that they are willing to put up with the dysphoria of being pregnant in order to have that child.

Honestly, I really can't understand a lot of what you are trying to say.  The spelling and sentence structure is just unreadable. 

BTW, you shouldn't be so quick to side with gender rigid people on the "men do only this and women do only that", because most of them are ones that would say you are not a man, but rather a delusional woman.

No it defeats the whole purpose of being a man for most people actually, I don't have that much of a problem with it like I said do what you want but again it's confusing. And for the record all my bio male friends see me as strictly male and are cool with the fact that I am trans all my friends actually. Everyone is starting to understand me and everyone respects me.

[aross1015]

Not really sure how its hard to explain that your father is a transgender male who gave birth to a child.

Impossible apparently, because at the same time you must be raising your child within an absurdly rigid set of gender roles. 

[aross1015]

No it defeats the whole purpose of being a man and for the record all my bio male friends see me as strictly male and are cool with the fact that I am trans all my friends actually. Everyone is starting o understand me.

You are getting ridiculously close to the point of saying that being trans is a choice.  "Defeats the purpose of being a man"?  For that to be true trans people would have to choose to be men or women, rather than what is really happening, them choosing to transition. 

[Brandon]

You are getting ridiculously close to the point of saying that being trans is a choice.  "Defeats the purpose of being a man"?  For that to be true trans people would have to choose to be men or women, rather than what is really happening, them choosing to transition.

Okay no I am trans so why would I say something like that. All I said was if your a man who just happens to be trans and willingly wants to have a baby then prepare to get alot of looks and questions .

[echo_artist]

Most christians do and trust me I am far from a hater because he's the one who is going to have alot of explainning to do. Thats why you freeze them Ill have the money for it. Again its a free country and you should be able to do what you wanna do but that is confusing and I am sure many transguys would agree it defeats the whole purpose. I can understand wanting it to be related to you but. Even my dad is just a doner and he wouldn't be my father if he didn't love me or provide for me, same with my mom.

Personally, I can't afford to freeze or even go through a transfer process with an egg. I can barely afford college and living. I identify as a pansexual male as is. So there's not much choice financially. I don't mind going through the pain to build a happy family. I've spoken to this with my partner, and he's fine with it. I wouldn't feel the same connection as I do with a kid that is "third party" (dont know how else to describe it) to me.
I've raised all of my nieces and nephew, I don't give two ->-bleeped-<-s about them at the end of the day. I want to feel like I can't be without my child. That's all.

[Brandon]

Impossible apparently, because at the same time you must be raising your child within an absurdly rigid set of gender roles.

First of all when I do decide to have children if I even do, I can raise my child however I please. My child would live a gender netural life until a certain point in life.

[aross1015]

First of all when I do decide to have children if I even do, I can raise my child however I please. My child would live a gender netural life until a certain point in life.

Based on your posts on this site, I very highly doubt that. 

[Brandon]

Personally, I can't afford to freeze or even go through a transfer process with an egg. I can barely afford college and living. I identify as a pansexual male as is. So there's not much choice financially. I don't mind going through the pain to build a happy family. I've spoken to this with my partner, and he's fine with it. I wouldn't feel the same connection as I do with a kid that is "third party" (dont know how else to describe it) to me.
I've raised all of my nieces and nephew, I don't give two ->-bleeped-<-s about them at the end of the day. I want to feel like I can't be without my child. That's all.

And I understand that but to many people get caught up with the idea that in order for the child to be yours you have put sperm in a woman or you have to birth a child. That's far from what makes you a mother and a father. Its caring and loving for that child. My sisters sperm doner left her and to her thats not her dad or father because he wasn't their at all. But please don't think I am a bigot for what I just so happen to belive like some people think I am.  I have seen numerous families and didn't even know that thoes weren't some of thoes peoples bio kids sure thats the only way I can put it but the love that they showed them would make you believe they actually were.

[Brandon]

Based on your posts on this site, I very highly doubt that.

Go ahead and doubt me I love when people do that!

[aross1015]

Go ahead and doubt me I love when people do that!

Probably in the same way I love when people define what makes other men not men! 

[echo_artist]

So I'm guessing.... I'm not "man" enough to transition is what I'm getting?
I'm already conflicted by this thought.
I already don't see male and female as a thing (i grew up that lack of knowledge).
I just want a family. No extra people, I already have problems coping with people
prodding into my relationship. I don't someone ->-bleeped-<-ing up a baby for me (sorry for the lewd language)
I understand that method. I was considering that if I were to have a long term with a female partner.
But my lover is a cismale and we both want a "bio-child". I'm even willing to give my eggs away, just to not
deal with it after I give birth. I just want our child to be made on a more intimate and loving level more than
a process.
Both can bring the same level of love. But I like to work for what I want. So I'm willing to have dysphoria for 9 months
just to see something of ours brought into the world.

[Brandon]

Probably in the same way I love when people define what makes other men not men! 

Well I am sorry but I am a christian and I don't believe that. Sorry and you will never change that at all! And there are certain things that define a man but again you don't seem to get it.

[aross1015]

So I'm guessing.... I'm not "man" enough to transition is what I'm getting?
I'm already conflicted by this thought.
I already don't see male and female as a thing (i grew up that lack of knowledge).
I just want a family. No extra people, I already have problems coping with people
prodding into my relationship. I don't someone ->-bleeped-<-ing up a baby for me (sorry for the lewd language)
I understand that method. I was considering that if I were to have a long term with a female partner.
But my lover is a cismale and we both want a "bio-child". I'm even willing to give my eggs away, just to not
deal with it after I give birth. I just want our child to be made on a more intimate and loving level more than
a process.
Both can bring the same level of love. But I like to work for what I want. So I'm willing to have dysphoria for 9 months
just to see something of ours brought into the world.

Having a child naturally will not make you any less of a man.  Don't let Brandon's skewed sense of what makes a man affect you.  There are no things a man can do that would make him less of a man.