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Crossdressing without intent to pass, building wardrobe

Started by Autumn, July 06, 2007, 03:04:56 AM

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Autumn

Well, my life is rarely my own. The events of the summer have been much the same. Though I've pretty much made a decision. Outside of when it's necessary for work and such, guys clothes are out. I'm pretty tiny, not as small as the smallest GG, but shorter and thinner than most. Guys clothing just does not fit me at all. It's uncomfortable and doesn't look good. Plus, dealing with gender dysphoria, it's a convenient excuse. I don't tuck or enhance or wear makeup, I'm just me for now. But I look really good in tighter clothing that actually fits my bodytype. And the fact that I'm androgynous as hell and don't bother with correcting people doesn't play into it at all  ::)

So far I've got two pairs of womens' black jeans, one was tight as of 3 months ago and just comfortably snug now and the other is damn near impossible to keep my keys, wallet, phone, and compact comb/mirror in, each getting its own pocket. And a pair of nice, sexy slacks that either give me a great ass worn on the waist (obnoxious since they're a 5 and i'm more a 2) or just fit comfortably on my hips.

For shirts, I've got two xs stretch T's, one white and v necked (gift from girlfriend because she thinks it's masculine on me) and one regular necked and black. I bought three button up shirts that I found on sale, they're 3/4th sleeve but fold to short sleeve nicely. One's bright red for when I want attention, one's black because black is black (black and red are definitely colors of mine), and the other's a maroon compromise between the two.

For the first time in my life, I own two belts at once. A black and red mens' belt that fits great on the hip, and a reversible black or brown belt I got for wearing at the waist, such as when I have to work. Guys pants sag awfully on me. (I have no idea when I'll actually use the brown though. What goes with a brown belt, blue jeans? It'll probably be covered by a shirt anyway.)

And when I get paid, I'm going to see if this subtle pair of boots I've had my eye on for a couple of months fits/is actually as subtle as they appear to be.

I'd really like to get more of those shirts, but they're $16 a piece on a limited sale and a whole wardrobe of solid colored button ups gets boring. Plus, that's not much in between, plain t shirt or plain business casual shirt. Likewise, showing off curves with tiny tiny t-shirts gets plenty of attention that isn't always really a good idea. I plan to stick with androgynous styles and colors. Pants aren't a problem, stick to occasional slacks with reasonable belt loops, and tight black jeans can't be argued with. But I could use some recommendations for tops if anyone has any because I'm kind of drawing a blank outside of making weekly clearance shopping trips to try to find things not covered in frills or poofy sleeves.

To be honest though it seems like these are about the only styles that are really androgynous enough to work, outside of slight variations (actual short sleeve shirts to begin with, or less tight fitting stretch Ts. And noting the stitch of the chest and sleeves.) Recommendations/advice are quite welcome, particularly if they're brand lines that tend to fit the style I need. I can't spend too much because I'm about to go into debt for the first time for laser beard removal (as an aside, that seems to be the only way for me to get any kind of credit  :laugh:.)

I recognize the fact that crossdressing is generally done with an expressed intent to pass, but I'm making a (not so given my appearance) radical shift now so that it may be a little bit easier to explain things to friends/partners I make down the way. As they say, it's easier for people to recognize that you've always been some way than to accept a change. Plus I've never gotten noticed by anyone before and some women love the tight clothing  >:D It's also adorable how confused the looks some little kids give me are. Though like I said, I'm not trying to make some sort of splash by being a 6 foot biker in a leather skirt and pink lace top. I'm just looking for tasteful clothes that actually look good and fit me appropriately.


Edit: Oh, how can I forget underwear. It's actually the one article that I'm relatively happy wearing male still. Life makes a style of mens' string bikini that's really comfortable, sexy, and has room for the obnoxious little passengers. I need to buy some thongs for particularly tight pants though.

The string bikini cut is far enough away from boxers or briefs that it satisfies me, they look good, and if some awful event should come to pass, I am still wearing mens' underwear despite the outside clothes and that probably counts for something.
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gennee

Looks like you have everything planned out. Good luck as you embark into the wonderful world of crossdressing. It's really great to get out there. I'll be out this evening and I can't wait.

Gennee


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Autumn

I'd say, success.

It took several months but I finally found a pair of boots that's comfortable (fits the foot i didn't break perfectly... hoping the proper arch support will help my other foot gradually improve as well), stylish, and even passes for work shoes because they just look like nice leather shoes at a quick glance with extra long slacks on.

I think now that it's not as hot, three-quarter sleeve shirts over XS T's is going to become my new look. Adds some color, some unique style, and honestly I think looks pretty damn good with a single button done. I've been told I look like a model by one friend and a rockstar by a couple of others, and that it's a unique hot look by someone else. And got a compliment on my boots from two people. No one ever noticed what I wore before! And the boots turned a pair of way-the-hell too long jeans into my staple pair.

I guess cross-dressing is actually socially accepted :V

My mom, incidentally, hates it. She just got back home saturday after being gone over 5 months.

"I didn't know they made 3/4ths shirts in mens'. I think that's cool."
"They don't."
"Oh.
...
What about boys' shirts?"
"They're really, really ugly."
"What about really expensive, nice boys' shirts?"
"I don't want to pay $50 for a shirt."
"You have a lot of time before class, do you want to go to Kohls maybe and look at shirts?"

No, but I want to go to target today and buy 10 or so xs t shirts :V
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Jaimee

It sounds like you have things pretty well thought out Autumn, and enjoying your new-found self.

Jaimee
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Autumn

I am.

Though now I appreciate the bitch that is female clothing. I wanted to buy more of those shirts, right? They're out of season now, so I can't get the overshirts or the undershirts. What a bunch of bs! It took like six shopping trips to find those two cuts that fit me just right! Argh!

Mens' clothing is definitely easier.  :laugh:
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Dennis

Quote from: Autumn on September 16, 2007, 05:43:57 AM
I am.

Though now I appreciate the bitch that is female clothing. I wanted to buy more of those shirts, right? They're out of season now, so I can't get the overshirts or the undershirts. What a bunch of bs! It took like six shopping trips to find those two cuts that fit me just right! Argh!

Mens' clothing is definitely easier.  :laugh:

That it is. My girlfriend was just complaining about that. A size ten isn't the same from brand to brand, from store to store. Hell, I don't even need to try my clothing on. And seasons and fashions? Whassat?

;D

Dennis
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Owen

Congrats Autumn on the wardrobe. I have only just started on biulding up my wardrobe and only have a few things like panties and just recently a nice pair of high heeled boots. I want to get a few more things to make a complete wardrobe. I am farily passable even without make up. I discovered that after dressing up with my friend at Le Femme. Clothes do make a big difference and a little bit of make up doen't hurt either. Sounds like you have a plan.


Linda Ann ;)
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Louise

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Skye

Quoteshoes because they just look like nice leather shoes at a quick glance with extra long slacks on.

OMG Where did you get them from!  hehe.. Been searching for boots like this for a while myself.
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Autumn

http://www.shoebuy.com/merrell-spire-peak-waterproof/159063

Sorry, been off-site for a couple of weeks.

They don't look like much online, but they're much better looking in person. I took the gamble because of the stretch uppers. They're still too big for my legs, but not nearly as bad as the others were. And i'm trying to grow into them with leg exercises  :D

I've received a LOT more compliments, it's been nice. Even had a couple of compliments from guys.

I'm about to order a couple more similar T shirts from Hanes, since the fitted stretchy tiny shirts are out of season at Target. I'm totally going to get a pink shirt when Hanes gets them back in stock, because I'm pretty sure I can pull it off with my black overshirt. And damnit, having only ever gotten to wear pink once before, it was a nice feeling.


I've worn my guy shirts on my off days a few times and it's weird. They fit differently, look like rectangles... just so unpleasant in comparison.

Posted on: October 04, 2007, 12:55:54 PM
Well, it continues. I've got 4 pairs of shoes now (2 more on the way!), and they're all ladies. I was complaining about my newest pair to a female friend (they were $60 regular price [I got them massively less than that], but don't even have removable soles. The glue seems very weak, and VISIBLE at that. They're ankle boots that look very classy but are not for wearing on your feet 8 hours straight) and she said "wow, I didn't know guys had to worry about that! I thought mens' shoes were made out of marshmallows." I didn't bother telling her they were womens' but eh. I really like them though, mostly because I really like boots.

I bought a pair of womens' athletic-ish shoes, along with being very stylishly angled, they fit better than any shoe i've ever worn. I've got another pair of AWESOME gorgeous tan/white/brown tennis shoes that I have a wardrobe picked out for already, but I want to scotchguard them first. And I need thinner creamy/tan socks to wear them with, which are in the mail.

I also a faux leather jacket... it doesn't fit right because I don't have breasts, but I get complimented to hell and back on it because it looks so awesome. 100% polyester, unfortunately it's not warm enough on cold nights and too warm on comfortable days. Damn it's sexy though. So I'm looking at buying a trenchcoat instead :). Argh, becoming fashion conscious has me hating living in the south. I want to be able to enjoy layering and coats more than 4 months of the year!

I've been trying to find more slacks online, but today I realized that a lot of womens' slacks don't have any pockets. I frankly need them for my job and no pockets would be a bit too obvious. For anyone else searching out there, make sure the pants have loops for a belt and at least front pockets. Also, watch out for dryclean only. :(

I haven't bought mens' clothing since I bought a couple of articles for my job this past summer, and it's made me feel a lot better. If I put in a few days worth of effort I could *probably* find enough clothes to completely replace my guy clothes at work, but honestly, I don't care about the clothes I wear at work.

Oh, amusingly, a billing error occurred with regards to one of my online orders and I got a large shipment of underwear free. Hipsters are an awesome cut. Boyleg must be really comfortable if you have an actual vagina (the stitching contours in the front as well as the back.)  Both offer semi-plausible deniability if you get caught with your pants down, literally, if you pick reserved coloring.

What I think is very funny is that my mom keeps comparing my clothing to stuff from her generation. And mistaking some of it for guys' clothing. I could totally go for the power lesbian dress style.
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Autumn

I have more room in my junior pair than in my womens' pair, but it seems that womens' petite fits better than juniors to be honest. The difference is mainly that juniors have very long legs and petite have short legs... and you can't seem to find below size 6 very easily in womens without going petite.

I'd just never realized before that womens' dress slacks were pocketless sometimes. I have a pair that I got on clearance for $8 that has real front pockets an fake butt pockets, but it's dry clean only. Fantastic pair though, especially if i wear underwear that flatters my ass. Shame they've got another few machine washes before they die, but hey, $8 was worth it.
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JodieBlonde

Male me owns a couple of really nice sewing machines...and I know how to use them.

OK...I like the idea of the buttons on the wrong side..and just once in a while someone realizes that I have a woman's blouse on...but it's kinda rare.

About the sewing machines...I take almost any shirt in a Large or XL for my shoulders, and just peg the sides.

I take a look in the mirror and pinch in the sides until I get a good shape, pin it there and then sew the side seams into a more fem profile.

Use a zig-zag stitch first..as it's easier to remove if you miss, and it can be locked with a tighter straight stitch when you get it right.

Wearing my corset (22/7), I can get some serious waistlines...but I tend to not wear the blouses outside in that shape..it's just too radical...remember that I am NOT trying to pass as female...just want to open the question marks a little.

OK..that part is easy...but I really like to get female blouses and shirts and just peg them down a little. It's fun to tailor them for my own purposes..and it also helps with the constant reminders to be gentle and stand straight and walk softer and all that.

On another note..the fabrics in women's blouses are sometimes a lot silkier and softer and a little more translucent..etc. That helps in the question mark category..but they are a lot harder to peg...the fabric requires some sort of backing to get it to not bunch under the machine foot...so I just use notebook paper and then wash the garment and the paper comes right out as it melts away in the water.

For some reason, I have "easing-in" for sleeves under complete control. Maybe it's the male spacial concept part kicking in...but I just get it right every time.

My mom hated me for being able to do that.

At this date, I wear a 10P or M jeans, bootcut and stretch; unfortunately a size 9½ woman's shoe (big!) and a 12 or 14 top. My dimensions on a tape measure are 38C-27-35. So you can see that tailoring is an absolute necessity for me. Off-the-rack just doesn't do it. A corset takes me to 38C+ -24-36..but remember that the corset adds some small amount of bulk by itself. whilst pushing some boob flesh a little higher. 
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Rhinna

Hi Autumm,I like your approach also,all could do well in society in learning how to accept others irregardless of how they dress themselves.I also have a smaller frame and when you mentioned male pants, i can really identify.The newer baggy styles really are awful and make me feel like I'm wearing a tent.I've just purchased some below the hip jeans from pennys and they fit nicely so I'm hoping after washing I'll get that super snug fit I want.
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Autumn

The problem with womens' jeans on a male body is that they're designed for womens' bodies. There are 0s out there that are too big for me because there's too much room for an ass that I don't have (well, and hips, too.)

I suggest trying a size too small stretch jeans (i picked up a pair of juniors 3 at Hot Topic, clearance for $10), or petite jeans. I've got two pairs of petite 4s, but be careful as to how the manufacturer sizes their jeans. Both are by the same company, one is a lot longer than the other, so I'm ordering another in petite short (which I'm hoping will be like the first pair.) They fit pretty well. I've got a juniors 5, but it's way too long. It seems that juniors' jeans are made for 5'8 16 year olds. Maybe they're intended to be rolled at the cuff, but that's not really a style I want.

I was really miffed about my new petite jeans being normal length, because I've become vain enough that I want to show my shoes off  >:(, then it got cold and I realized that sometimes function does trump fashion.

Also be careful about shirts. I just ordered a medium womens' shirt by one of liz clairborne's companies, and it was like the size of a mens' large. Previously, the smalls I've bought from other companies have been a little small sometimes. Like this stretch longsleeve shirt that I bought that is actually too small to even wear as anything but a one-buttoned overshirt, but I'm keeping it since that's how I roll anyway.

I nabbed a greatly discounted, fairly cute looking womens' trench as an idle curiosity. Going to see how it fits, how warm it is, and if it's 'too much', but I definitely would love to use it during the cold months if I can get by with it. Hurray for return policies.

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tekla

Sizes in women's clothing mean about as much as the promise of someone running for President.  Not much.  Some companies have 'vanity sizing' so 'ya can never tell.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Autumn

edit-At some point I should probably re-read this thread because I don't remember what I said months ago and may sound like a bit like a broken record.

Actual: edit: well that's what I get for being lazy and editing by double-posting instead of actually editing. Whoops.

And yeah, you're right. The best thing you can do is try to shop the same brands so you have an idea of what fits and what doesn't.

edit again: Renate, I'm sorry, I missed that purse post weeks ago. Zappos is no longer offering it, apparently. But it looks nice. I've actually done something similar, my backpack is a messenger bag of sorts and I have to keep my keys/etc in it with one pair of pants that I have. I wish it were larger so I could carry my books easier ><
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