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Some days I get more stares/looks than others...

Started by Ms Grace, July 26, 2014, 04:48:55 PM

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Ms Grace

Some days I get pretty much no looks from anybody, none that I notice anyway. That's great... fine by me! Some days, not often but usually once every other week, I do get what feel like odd and perplexed looks. Hard to know what's behind it, I might be wearing something that last time got no looks and while I try to dress smart and stylish I don't go for sexy (subjective, I know), I don't think it's because I've been read as trans, maybe they're just thinking "wow, she's tall" or who knows what. I guess if it was the same amount every day I'd get used to it. The fact it seems to happen irregularly is kind of driving me nuts!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Joan

It is odd, isn't it? It might be the same outfit, same place and sometimes you just blend in and others you get that look.  I'd love to know what's going on too :D

I don't think you need to worry about it too much Grace :)
Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly away
Only a phase, these dark cafe days
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stephaniec

I live across from a big ten university and there's quite a few tall female basketball players around and for the life of me  I can't stop staring
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Sabine

I go through exactly the same thing. In fact, I did right before I logged on and I was a bit upset.  Most days, I forget I'm "different", then comes that look or whatever and I think "am I fooling myself?"  It does undermine my confidence, and I am so close to surgery the incidents panic me. 

My friends say I stand out because I'm athletic and tall (5 10), and I have "presence", but that I am reading things into it.  Then again, I think to myself, they are friends and want to reassure.  (I have a set of cheerleaders, which is nice, but I also need even handed feedback) It is just as unpredictable as you experience, though I am noticing more now when I am in running clothes.  I keep hoping it's something other than being clocked, but I am so good at self doubt I'm sure I undermine myself when it happens. Most of the time I try to say: I stand out for positive reasons. But it eats me up. At this point, I'm not sure it makes any difference as I've committed to what I am doing and day to day I don't have any problems. 

As Joan said, I from your photo I don't think you have anything to worry about!
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Ms Grace

Yes, I try to tell myself I stand out for positive reasons. My gender therapist, and others have said to me that I am "quite stunning" and at 6'3" I've got no option but "to stand out"...it's just that most times I don't seem to at all. So it's curious! And maddening!
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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stephaniec

well. one possibility is that if you travel around basically in a normal routine , a lot of people have already seen a beautiful 6' 3 woman and the random ones are the first encounters
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Sabine

One thing I have thought about is that when one transitions older, one doesn't accumulate the same gradual sense or understanding of what those looks mean as when one goes through puberty and grows to an adult woman. We are learning how to gauge it all. We don't have the trial and error evolution of self and becoming as a woman socially, learning about ourselves and in relation to others. I know adolescents go through hell anyway about it and don't have it "easier" in that they are figuring out who they are.  But unless they are T (and I was then too, I know, so it was a mess) it's not at the same level of basic identity as we cope with.  We jump in with both feet and have to deal with "where do I fit in on the looks scale as a woman, and why is that man looking at me" at the same time as "I hope I am passing here."  On the one hand I feel I am 16 and discovering my body and how others see me, on the other I am asking am I doing something wrong that screams male? By the time a girl grows to be a woman, she has dealt with the self doubt and "boys."  She generally knows the "rules" and what is a reaction to her, and what is simply someone admiring how she dresses or that she simply stands out as tall or whatever. She also knows how to cause reaction, I suppose, or avoid it.  I feel I have all the insecurities of an adolescent with the all the worst case scenario imaginings of a middle aged person with "experience."

I think I have this notion I'll have that one compliment or experience that "validates" or reassures me, where the look is somehow explained. This is nonsense. But I hope for an epiphany.  And I suppose for every "look" that causes doubt there is a compliment or smile that cancels it out in the great scheme of things. Transition karma or something like that. That might be a healthier way of looking at it. But I excel at self doubt.

One problem I find is that I have a ton of female friends, but nearly no male ones and no close ones anymore. It was that way before transition. My closest female friends say: you look great, you know what we do about clothes, makeup, etc., just enjoy the looks and chalk it up to being the tall athlete.  Then again, sometimes their measurement of success is that when we go out we are all ma'amed -- the lack of negative reaction is the threshold.  I have no male feedback at all apart from family, and they say "we knew you before, we are terrible judges of all that."

     
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StevieAK

I watch closely peoples eyes and how they react or don't.  For the most part no one notices me and I can go about life happily, sometimes a stare and or a look and or a hey check that out and a point (recently at a 5k run), I just smile and wave to assure them I heard them. I try and not let other people reaction or judgements effect me even if I'm aware of their notice.  I just cant as in the past its brought me to bad places. I dont have a choice and letting people that dont know me judge me for my looks or lack thereof and letting them control how I feel about myself is not allowed. 

No day seems any more so than any other though...idk Ill keep and eye out!
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Sabine

Quote from: StevieAK on July 26, 2014, 06:19:01 PM
I watch closely peoples eyes and how they react or don't.  For the most part no one notices me and I can go about life happily, sometimes a stare and or a look and or a hey check that out and a point (recently at a 5k run), I just smile and wave to assure them I heard them. I try and not let other people reaction or judgements effect me even if I'm aware of their notice.  I just cant as in the past its brought me to bad places. I dont have a choice and letting people that dont know me judge me for my looks or lack thereof and letting them control how I feel about myself is not allowed.

A smile is the perfect response to so much.
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Rose City Rose

I noticed that this almost always coincides with my anxiety/PTSD issues or gender dysphoria being triggered.  I think in my case it has to do with my body language showing that I'm not confident in my ability to pass, and people pick up on that body language because my defense mechanism when I'm triggered is to "man up" and carry myself in an intimidating way.  The problem is, I get triggered harder and I go deeper into my defenses, so it becomes a vicious cycle.  I can get stuck in gender dysphoric feedback loops so bad that I've been given a low dose of antipsychotics to take for my anxiety and dysphoria on an as-needed basis.  I usually only need one every so often, and that's usually enough to help rebalance myself and take back my life.
*Started HRT January 2013
*Name and gender marker changed September 2014
*Approved and issued letters for surgery September 2015
*Surgery Consultation November 2015
*Preop electrolysis October 2016-March 2019
*GRS April 3 2019
I DID IT!!!
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Ms Grace

There may be something to that, I may be reacting subconsciously and people might be picking it up in my body language. Like Sabine says though, I haven't bad the life time if experience to interpret their looks.
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Eva Marie

I have noticed this too Ms. Grace - Some days I get looks anywhere from the sly, trying not to look but i'm looking looks to the full on stares, and some days I seem to be invisible and no one looks at me. At first these stares gave me the creeps but I have slowly adjusted to them. As someone once told me - people stare at women. There are things I do that seem to bring on more stares and I put that down to days where I'm feeling less confident, or I made a fashion mistake like the time I tried wearing a blonde wig (anyone need a blonde wig since I now have a spare? LOL.....).

But at the end of the day we just don't know what they are thinking and we had better learn to not worry about what other people are thinking and get on with living our own lives. If they don't like me or they don't approve of me - it's their problem, not mine.
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StevieAK

But at the end of the day we just don't know what they are thinking and we had better learn to not worry about what other people are thinking and get on with living our own lives. If they don't like me or they don't approve of me - it's their problem, not mine.

True that. Last night went on a date with my wife and I was going to try pay attention to see if people noticed me. I forgot to worry about it as we laughed shared our food and drank wine, talked about our kids and life.
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Maira

I experienced the same but even back in the days i lived as a ´normal´ man. My therapist says its because i m "an interesting person" even besides the trans* thing... .
It indeed happens irregularly, i dont know why, maybe its a certain vibe some days?       
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Juliett

At least people are looking for good or bad, and you're  very pretty so we all know why they're looking.

I'm overweight, very plain looking, and very passable. No one notices me for any reason.
correlation /= causation
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suzifrommd

I've noticed that too. I think there's probably some subtle difference in my presentation.

It used to bother me.

Now I just understand that I'm a 5'11" gawky woman, that people are just going to notice. Some will suspect, others will just notice something is a little off.

That's OK. If they clock me, I hold my head high and show them that the face of transgender is intelligent, confident, and PROUD.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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