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Started by LittleEmily24, July 28, 2014, 11:11:08 AM

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Rachel

Emily, nice to see you, don't be a stranger.

Your posts seam to have a sense of urgency.

Perhaps asking him to back off for 2 weeks to give you some thinking time would help.

Perhaps your wife is having a difficult time coping with losing her sex partner. You may want to focus the two weeks exploring what you and your wife want and how to achieve it.

Being validated is very alluring. As time goes on you will be beautiful and pass with ease and the allure my not hold the value it once had.

hugs, I understand your dilema.
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LittleEmily24

Sorry i hadnt responded yesterday, i lost internet connection for a while -_-

I just wanna add that i've decided to pretty much say "f*** it" and ignore my feelings... he's currently dating another transwoman (which kills me but I fully expect it) and even though he says the things he says about me, i really just think he'd have more fun with her... shes more attractive, younger, on a more stable or professional path, and the killer is that she hasn't even started HRT yet and looks totally drop dead gorgeous... so i don't even think i'm good enough :P I guess its not an ideal mentality but it helps to effectively eliminate the magic of it all for good.

Me and my wife have been trying to spice up our sex life for the last 6 months but it wont take... She knows what i like and she is not inclined to do it, I try to get her to tell me what she likes but after 5 years of sexless depression from me, she's pretty much killed her own sex drive out of survival... honestly, yesterday I had a talk with her about the changes im experiencing and it became clear to me that I single handedly killed us, yet she claims that she still love me and is still in love with me, but that she just doesn't expect much anymore in the romance, sex, emotional departments.... and i feel like thats not right... So i find myself hating myself even more because not only did I sort of traumatize her into becoming this person who she has become out of emotional survival, but now i'm craving certain things now that i'm out of the fog of depression and finally transitioning... but who am I to even deserve it? Honestly, all of yesterday I just felt dark... So dark in fact that I stopped caring about my presentation... I threw on "whatever" and went out looking "whatever", not giving a ->-bleeped-<- about my voice or my mannerisms or my behavior... i sort of just fell into a "what's the point" mentality....

I honestly don't even know how to move forward, or maybe I shouldnt. Maybe I deserve this. I'm still talking to this guy as a friend and i'm pretty much avoiding him unless he messages me, and we only talk about things like metal bands and comedy movies (which is a total turn around to how our conversations use to be), and honestly, it kinda hurts... but i guess i don't have a choice... Today my wife was talking about our credit scores and bringing up things about us getting a house in the future and all that... thinking of the future makes me heart stop because i'm afraid of what will become of all this... do i love her? Of course.... but I don't want to live in a sexless, romanceless marriage and I don't want her to live in it either just out of comfort or survival.... She has potential and i'd rather remain alone knowing that she found someone who can make her feel special because its apparently not me... or at least, its only sometimes me... she says she gets her special feeling from work because she does her job good and her customers acknowledge her and the way she looks....

tl;dr - I pretty much hate myself now -_-
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Jess42

I honestly don't know what to say Emily. I am so sorry you have to go through all of this. :( My heart goes out to you though. I know what I would do but it probably wouldn't ease your mind or make you feel better in the least.
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Carlita

Quote from: LittleEmily24 on July 28, 2014, 11:55:56 AM
I do love my wife, i love her undeniably.... I love spending time with her and being with her, I still have sexual attraction to her but our sex life has been dwindling because we are just too different in bed... we want different things... i want a dominant figure,( TMI Warning) I want to be penetrated and dominated and she seems to want the same thing, and I just don't like using my parts... our sex usually starts awesome at first, but it ends blandly... and she tells me "I just don't feel connected with you"... but she seems to have let sex go after our 5 years of me being depressed because of dysphoria, so sex to her has pretty much become a lost cause, I want to spice it up and i try to, but i get the feeling she has given up on it... But believe me, i love her... I would rather die than hurt her unnecessarily...

FML -_-

I think you're in the reverse position from all the married MTFs (me included) who find that their wives simply can't deal with the idea of them becoming female. The wives often still love their husbands and would love to have the man they thought they'd married .. but at the end of the day, they're heterosexual women and they want a regular, heterosexual guy, for the exact same reasons you do.

Because whoever you were before, and whoever it was your wife thought she was marrying, the fact is that you're now Emily Sofia Garcia, and Emily's a heterosexual woman who is attracted to men and dreams of having intense penetrative sex with them ... and however hard it is to accept this, Emily doesn't want to be married to a woman. She still loves her wife. She will never stop feeling loving towards her. But the love Emily feels is purely emotional, almost sisterly. She doesn't want to have sex with another woman ...

So my tough-love advice would be: accept yourself. Accept Emily. And then end your marriage as gracefully, as generously and as lovingly as you can. Because it's just not fair to your wife, otherwise. What's she supposed to do for the rest of her life? Does she really wants to spend the next 50 years with another woman who wants to have sex with guys? No. She wants a real guy, just like you do.

If you can both accept this now, then you can shift from being husband and wife, to being loving women-friends. You can still have an emotionally intimate relationship, sharing your lives in all sorts of ways, as women do with their closest friends.

But you can't be her husband. And you don't want to be ... you want to be someone else's girlfriend and maybe one day his wife - not the guy just now who didn't work out, but the guy you dream of meeting and loving, and who's waiting for you somewhere out there.

The sooner you accept this and bite the bullet, the sooner you and your wife can end the current relationship that can't possibly work, divorce one another and redefine yourselves to create something new that can last you a lifetime.

You will both be much much happier in the long run.
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Shantel

Quote from: Carlita on July 29, 2014, 11:46:48 AM

The sooner you accept this and bite the bullet, the sooner you and your wife can end the current relationship that can't possibly work, divorce one another and redefine yourselves to create something new that can last you a lifetime.

You will both be much much happier in the long run.

At the end of the day, this is probably the best advice because you're both young enough to start your lives over.
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Juliett

Quote from: Carlita on July 29, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
I think you're in the reverse position from all the married MTFs (me included) who find that their wives simply can't deal with the idea of them becoming female. The wives often still love their husbands and would love to have the man they thought they'd married .. but at the end of the day, they're heterosexual women and they want a regular, heterosexual guy, for the exact same reasons you do.

Because whoever you were before, and whoever it was your wife thought she was marrying, the fact is that you're now Emily Sofia Garcia, and Emily's a heterosexual woman who is attracted to men and dreams of having intense penetrative sex with them ... and however hard it is to accept this, Emily doesn't want to be married to a woman. She still loves her wife. She will never stop feeling loving towards her. But the love Emily feels is purely emotional, almost sisterly. She doesn't want to have sex with another woman ...

So my tough-love advice would be: accept yourself. Accept Emily. And then end your marriage as gracefully, as generously and as lovingly as you can. Because it's just not fair to your wife, otherwise. What's she supposed to do for the rest of her life? Does she really wants to spend the next 50 years with another woman who wants to have sex with guys? No. She wants a real guy, just like you do.

If you can both accept this now, then you can shift from being husband and wife, to being loving women-friends. You can still have an emotionally intimate relationship, sharing your lives in all sorts of ways, as women do with their closest friends.

But you can't be her husband. And you don't want to be ... you want to be someone else's girlfriend and maybe one day his wife - not the guy just now who didn't work out, but the guy you dream of meeting and loving, and who's waiting for you somewhere out there.

The sooner you accept this and bite the bullet, the sooner you and your wife can end the current relationship that can't possibly work, divorce one another and redefine yourselves to create something new that can last you a lifetime.

You will both be much much happier in the long run.

I said the exact same thing. Only you did it with a lot more words... and globe :P
correlation /= causation
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LittleEmily24

Quote from: Carlita on July 29, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
I think you're in the reverse position from all the married MTFs (me included) who find that their wives simply can't deal with the idea of them becoming female. The wives often still love their husbands and would love to have the man they thought they'd married .. but at the end of the day, they're heterosexual women and they want a regular, heterosexual guy, for the exact same reasons you do.

Because whoever you were before, and whoever it was your wife thought she was marrying, the fact is that you're now Emily Sofia Garcia, and Emily's a heterosexual woman who is attracted to men and dreams of having intense penetrative sex with them ... and however hard it is to accept this, Emily doesn't want to be married to a woman. She still loves her wife. She will never stop feeling loving towards her. But the love Emily feels is purely emotional, almost sisterly. She doesn't want to have sex with another woman ...

So my tough-love advice would be: accept yourself. Accept Emily. And then end your marriage as gracefully, as generously and as lovingly as you can. Because it's just not fair to your wife, otherwise. What's she supposed to do for the rest of her life? Does she really wants to spend the next 50 years with another woman who wants to have sex with guys? No. She wants a real guy, just like you do.

If you can both accept this now, then you can shift from being husband and wife, to being loving women-friends. You can still have an emotionally intimate relationship, sharing your lives in all sorts of ways, as women do with their closest friends.

But you can't be her husband. And you don't want to be ... you want to be someone else's girlfriend and maybe one day his wife - not the guy just now who didn't work out, but the guy you dream of meeting and loving, and who's waiting for you somewhere out there.

The sooner you accept this and bite the bullet, the sooner you and your wife can end the current relationship that can't possibly work, divorce one another and redefine yourselves to create something new that can last you a lifetime.

You will both be much much happier in the long run.

This quite possibly might be the most spot on thing i've read (while i still greatly appreciate everyone elses responses)...

But must I be the one to do this? She claims to love me and still be in love with me... how do I know that she isn't 100% ready to stay with me til death do us part... I mean ->-bleeped-<-... she told me to freeze sperm so we can have kids in the future... and its not like I don't find her attractive... I do... I am still attracted to women, but i just have this overwhelming desire to be with a man... or as you so perfectly put it " to be someone else's girlfriend and maybe one day his wife - not the guy just now who didn't work out, but the guy you dream of meeting and loving, and who's waiting for you somewhere out there. " but I feel like i put her through 6 years of hell only to cut her loose and say "yeah sorry i'm not happy".... i feel so selfish... I feel like its not right of me to do that to her... especially if she is sincere about how she feels about me... Honestly, with the way i've been feeling, sometimes i look at her face and i see her smile at me and I cry... because despite everything we've been through and how much i've damaged her, she still smiles at me and she loves me... and it makes me feel like the biggest piece of ->-bleeped-<- in the world =( it makes me feel like our entire relationship has been about me.. my depression, my dysphoria, my transition, my sexual unhappiness... and she has no one down here... her family is in Chile and I'm all she has down here in Miami... which only serves to make me feel even more like ->-bleeped-<- especially since she stopped talking to her parents out of anger because they woulnd't accept our relationship, and she did that for US...

What you say makes sense and it sounds almost perfect... but honestly, I don't know how I can do it without effectively writing myself off as a completely selfish and underserving bitch.

Also; let me just say that this is only how I feel about myself, no one else.... I'm not saying that if you did that and decided you were totally fine with it that it makes you a bad person, i just feel that for me personally i feel like it makes me the ->-bleeped-<-tiest person in the world.
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Jessica Merriman

Sounds like this is what you need right now Emily!  :icon_hug:

Remember, you can PM me anytime. Good luck girl. :)
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Suziack

LittleEmily, I think your level of commitment to your wife is very endearing, especially in the face of your changing identity and needs. Several people have made good comments regarding your situation. The one thing that is missing, the one thing that you have that they don't have, is the day to day and minute by minute relationship with your wife. From a distance, comments are easy, but up close and in the thick of things they are not so easy. I was going to say, although not really necessary, is that the line that you've drawn in the sand not to cross is where you've set the boundaries, not someone else. I think you've done admirably well not to cross that line, and I can only say that to cross that line might bring disaster to several lives. If they knew the real consequences, that's a risk that few people would be willing to take.

Now, there is loyalty, and there is trust, and there is love, and there is responsibility, and there is gratitude, and they are all tied in together, and certainly you're not taking any of these for granted. But you might have to change your definition of loyalty. If you are loyal to your wife, why would you keep such a secret from her? Because it might hurt her. Loyalty means you won't intentionally hurt her, but loyalty might mean that at some point you'll have to hurt her.  It's all very confusing, isn't it? Just when we thought we had life figured out! In this, you really aren't alone.

In the end, I think you'll make the right decisions. 
If you torture the truth long enough, it'll confess to anything.
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Susan522

I am going to apologize up front for being blunt.  I think you need to back up about six months, before you started HRT and ask yourself just where you were planning to go when you started HRT.

Where/what was your end goal and just how/where did your wife figure into that?
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Evelyn K

Quote from: LittleEmily24 on July 29, 2014, 07:26:50 PM
This quite possibly might be the most spot on thing i've read (while i still greatly appreciate everyone elses responses)...

But must I be the one to do this? She claims to love me and still be in love with me... how do I know that she isn't 100% ready to stay with me til death do us part... I mean ->-bleeped-<-... she told me to freeze sperm so we can have kids in the future... and its not like I don't find her attractive... I do... I am still attracted to women, but i just have this overwhelming desire to be with a man... or as you so perfectly put it " to be someone else's girlfriend and maybe one day his wife - not the guy just now who didn't work out, but the guy you dream of meeting and loving, and who's waiting for you somewhere out there. " but I feel like i put her through 6 years of hell only to cut her loose and say "yeah sorry i'm not happy".... i feel so selfish... I feel like its not right of me to do that to her... especially if she is sincere about how she feels about me... Honestly, with the way i've been feeling, sometimes i look at her face and i see her smile at me and I cry... because despite everything we've been through and how much i've damaged her, she still smiles at me and she loves me... and it makes me feel like the biggest piece of ->-bleeped-<- in the world =( it makes me feel like our entire relationship has been about me.. my depression, my dysphoria, my transition, my sexual unhappiness... and she has no one down here... her family is in Chile and I'm all she has down here in Miami... which only serves to make me feel even more like ->-bleeped-<- especially since she stopped talking to her parents out of anger because they woulnd't accept our relationship, and she did that for US...

What you say makes sense and it sounds almost perfect... but honestly, I don't know how I can do it without effectively writing myself off as a completely selfish and underserving bitch.

Also; let me just say that this is only how I feel about myself, no one else.... I'm not saying that if you did that and decided you were totally fine with it that it makes you a bad person, i just feel that for me personally i feel like it makes me the ->-bleeped-<-tiest person in the world.

I think in this situation if you really love her, then you have to let her go. She is a straight woman, she's already invested in this marriage a part of her life with you as originally intended when she took her vows. It's going to be difficult for her to let this huge commitment go hence her reaffirming her love for you as a way to placate her doubts. I've seen all this before. Doubts lead to resentment. Resentment leads to anger, and more distance will unfortunately come between you two.

She is hetero, she wants a man. Someone to provide, father her children, and protect her.
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Shannon14

I think you really need to talk to your wife about your feelings. Wouldn't you want to know?
If she's been so supportive of you, and seems to remain so, you really owe it to her to be honest.
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Carlita

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Quote from: LittleEmily24 on July 29, 2014, 07:26:50 PM
This quite possibly might be the most spot on thing i've read (while i still greatly appreciate everyone elses responses)...

But must I be the one to do this? She claims to love me and still be in love with me... how do I know that she isn't 100% ready to stay with me til death do us part... I mean ->-bleeped-<-... she told me to freeze sperm so we can have kids in the future... and its not like I don't find her attractive... I do... I am still attracted to women, but i just have this overwhelming desire to be with a man... or as you so perfectly put it " to be someone else's girlfriend and maybe one day his wife - not the guy just now who didn't work out, but the guy you dream of meeting and loving, and who's waiting for you somewhere out there. " but I feel like i put her through 6 years of hell only to cut her loose and say "yeah sorry i'm not happy".... i feel so selfish... I feel like its not right of me to do that to her... especially if she is sincere about how she feels about me... Honestly, with the way i've been feeling, sometimes i look at her face and i see her smile at me and I cry... because despite everything we've been through and how much i've damaged her, she still smiles at me and she loves me... and it makes me feel like the biggest piece of ->-bleeped-<- in the world =( it makes me feel like our entire relationship has been about me.. my depression, my dysphoria, my transition, my sexual unhappiness... and she has no one down here... her family is in Chile and I'm all she has down here in Miami... which only serves to make me feel even more like ->-bleeped-<- especially since she stopped talking to her parents out of anger because they woulnd't accept our relationship, and she did that for US...

What you say makes sense and it sounds almost perfect... but honestly, I don't know how I can do it without effectively writing myself off as a completely selfish and underserving bitch.

Also; let me just say that this is only how I feel about myself, no one else.... I'm not saying that if you did that and decided you were totally fine with it that it makes you a bad person, i just feel that for me personally i feel like it makes me the ->-bleeped-<-tiest person in the world.

First, I'm so glad you felt that my two cents' worth was useful - thank you so much for saying so - I was really worried it might sound like I was being heartless, which I really wasn't. Thank you for spotting that, too! :)

Now one more piece of tough love. You ask, "But must I be the one to do this?"

I'm really sorry, hon, but I'm afraid the answer is an absolute, "Yes."

See, you are the one who's changed things. And I don't say that critically. I got married, too, raised three children and really, really tried to be the best husband and father I could. But once I was true to myself about my dysphoria, and then true to my wife in telling her about it, then I had to accept responsibility for what followed. I wish she could have dealt with it, but she couldn't. And as much as a part of me wants to blame her for that, I can't deny that I was the one who was asking her to accept a totally new situation. She just wanted to have the husband she thought she'd loved and married.

Similarly, you're the one who's transitioning. You're the one who doesn't really, deep down, want to be married to a woman any more - not in a full, sexual marriage, anyway. And I'm sure that you love your wife with all your heart, but you're not hot for her, and a wife (or husband) needs to know that they are desired, as well as loved.

There's one more thing that I believe very strongly, from my own experience and my family's. When one takes responsibility for a break-up, you have to be ready to be the villain of the piece. We all hate that. We all want to be nice, and loved and seen as a good person. But the cruellest thing you can do to anyone who still loves you, and still prays for the life with you that they once had, is to give them hope.

You see, as long as they think they still have a chance with you, they can't move on to anyone else and any relationship they try to form while your shadow is still looming over them is bound to fail. So you have to tell your wife that you can't go on. And you have to allow her to be angry - very angry - because she has the right to be angry, and it's not fair to make her feel guilty, as if she were the reason for things going wrong, or give her hope that things will change, when you know, in your heart, that they won't.

So allow her to be angry. Accept it when she badmouths you to your friends. Give her time and space ... and in time, particularly once she sees and accepts you as a woman, just like her, you will be able to find a new way to be close to each other once again.

As for being a 'selfish bitch' ... no, I don't think that you are, at all. It;'s true that being TG and coping with it makes us all selfish, because our condition is, quite literally, about our selves. We're trying to get to the best place where we can be most ourselves. So we can't help but turn inward. And because it's a difficult process, and can involve so much loss (of lovers, friends, family, work, money, status, you name it) and so much potential for humiliation, mockery, abuse and even violence, it's very easy to turn in on ourselves and then become pissed-off when other people don't immediately accept us as we want to be. But, hell, it can take us years to accept ourselves: why shouldn't it take other people time too?

My point is: you have to accept that other people will be hurt by what you are doing. But that inflicting pain does not make you a bitch. You have tried to be a good man and a good husband, just as I did. I'm sure you were completely sincere in that. But in the end, it's not who you are.

And here's the main thing: you have a right to be the real you. We're only here once, so we've got to live the best, truest, most fulfilling life we can. You are making a brave, wonderful journey to your true self. Don't feel bad about the necessity to do that. Just have compassion and acceptance for those you have to leave behind - if only for a while - along the way.

I wish you well in resolving an incredibly difficult situation and all the luck in the world. I know you will have a wonderful life as a woman and all the pain along the way will prove to have been worth it in the end.


PS: Totally agree with you, Evelyn K!
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