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dating and disclosing

Started by mangoslayer, August 02, 2014, 10:38:36 AM

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mangoslayer

So I live as stealth as I can possibly be. Only close friends know I am transsexual. Dating was never really an issue until recently, i just got out of a 2+ year long relationship. Now that im back in the dating game i'm not sure what to do. I've been trying to date without disclosing, and telling them once it started getting more serious, but that hasn't been going to well so far. I can't be up front about it and I can't wait too long to tell. The only way I can disclose before forming a strong emotional connection is when I am thouroughly intoxicated.
Does anyone have any advice or experience?
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invisiblemonsters

maybe tell them within the first few dates? maybe 3? 5 at most? i think by then you can get a feel on if you're gonna wanna have more or not. i think that way they can decide if they want to continue or back out and that way you don't get hurt because you were involved and they said nope and they don't feel "lied to" like some tend to feel. if it is for hook ups only then well, you tell them before it gets all hot and steamy. honestly it just depends on the person and the situation. some people are up front right away and some wait a bit.
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Nygeel

I have no idea. This has been my single greatest problem with dating.
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Rawb

With my bf, I made friends with him first, and I really liked him, and I thought, I WOULD LIKE TO DATE THIS MAN, so I told him I was trans and he was cool with it. Then a few weeks later, I asked him out. I thought it was best to be upfront about it, and he was already my friend so I doubt he would be telling everyone I was trans or something.

And yeh.
It's worked out really, really well so far  <3
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Kyler

I think just do what makes you feel comfortable. If they can't take the fact that you're trans in stride then obviously they aren't someone you need to be with.
I don't really tell anyone unless it's turning into being a couple rather than dating. They've all taken it just fine but I wouldn't waste my time with someone that wasn't open minded anyway.
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crowcrow223

I've got the same problem now tbh. An idea that popped in my head was finding an excuse to talk about gay people, and then move to trans people. See how he/she reacts. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be rejected, plus telling him is risky, I don't know what to do.
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Nygeel

I'm considering using this at some point but I'm not confident enough.

Me: have you ever been on a date with a trans man?
Them (just guesses): Nope/I don't think so/What's a trans man?
Me (so long as it isn't "what's a trans ma"): Well, you have now.
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rexyrex

I have that problem too. I tried from the start never works out for me, sometimes after a few dates is fine but they rither be friends then being my gf/bf it sucks. It just finding the right person who will accept you.
Started Testosterone: 2013
Top surgery: 2014
Bottom surgery: 2016
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Adam (birkin)

Well, I've actually been testing things out now that I am stealth (I'm not looking to date, but I want to know what people's general reaction is, particularly women). There is usually a way to bring up the transgender issue with someone without making direct reference to yourself.

I bring up generally benign "liberal" topics, and then find a way to integrate talk of transgender people into it. For example, with one dude we were talking about religion and then we talked about feminism, which led to gender, which led to "I have a transgender friend who went from female to male." To which he responded that he hated trans people. Or today, I was talking to a girl and she mentioned her bisexuality, to which I said "interesting, I know lots of people who are GLBT. I have one friend who recently told me they wanted to transition from female to male, that was new for me but I support him and am happy for him!" 

Today could have been potentially interesting, she began saying things about how she's actually dated numerous trans people, MTF and FTM. Out of curiousity, I kept fishing for more - turns out she doesn't really see FTMs as men and MTFs as women, but rather versions of our birth gender. Realistically if a girl said that to me, I'd write off dating her for the rest of eternity haha. But let's say I didn't care and wanted to get in her pants, I'd probably go "interesting...nice to know there are open-minded people, as a transgender person myself it can be hard to find acceptance." And then lay on the flirtation LOL.

That's one way you could go about it, just find out their general viewpoints and then go from there. Or if you were forward you could always just find a way to disclose and then pursue them and see if they are interested. I can tell you this, that testing the waters with random people has actually given me confidence, even though again i have no plans to date now. I've never actually outed myself to them, as I intend to stay stealth, but it gives me a way to get more confident about actually bringing up trans issues...the confidence in disclosing can come later, as I see it.
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pretty pauline

Quote from: Samantha007 on August 03, 2014, 03:42:23 PM
I have been struggling with this issue too. I am post-op, fully passable, and I lead a 200% stealth lifestyle. Since I have been post-op, I haven't told any guy I have been with. However, in my current boyfriend things are getting a little serious in terms of a long term relationship. I don't want him to find out  a few years down the line (and never say never) that I am trans, and I haven't told him. I have come to the following conclusion.

Never tell a prospective partner upfront. I didn't spend years and years transitioning to finally tell the first comer about my past. I need to wait until we establish a strong connection/ bond first; let my partner know me for who I really am, the woman that I am before disclosing. If you disclose straight away then your partner - who at this point doesn't know much about you- is going to categorise you according to their pre-conceived ideas. Most people (not all) think trans people are sick, perverted, crossdressers, etc.  If you tell someone who doesn't know you that well about your trans status, they are more likely to make the wrong judgement and an ill-informed decision.

Personally, I prefer to wait until my partner is given a chance to know who I really am before disclosing. However, if even at this stage he refuses to accept me, then there is nothing I can do to change his mind. It's hard to accept rejection, but ultimately people are adults, and we can't decide for them.

hugs,

Samantha x
I absolutely agree with everything in the above post, I dated my boyfriend for 18 months before I disclosed, I eventually disclosed after he came out with a marriage proposal and we got engaged, he didn't freak out but was surprised and a bit shocked, but with a lot of soul searching he did accept me, he ever only knew me and got to know me as a woman. We did get engaged and eventually got married
Now if I had of disclosed on our first date he probably would have dumped me, things may have turned out very different.
I'm glad now he does know my history, i don't ever have to worry about it, it's history and belongs in the past.
If your going thru hell, just keep going.
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Megan Joanne

Quote from: Rawb on August 03, 2014, 10:47:27 AM
With my bf, I made friends with him first, and I really liked him, and I thought, I WOULD LIKE TO DATE THIS MAN, so I told him I was trans and he was cool with it. Then a few weeks later, I asked him out. I thought it was best to be upfront about it, and he was already my friend so I doubt he would be telling everyone I was trans or something.

And yeh.
It's worked out really, really well so far  <3

That's how I'd have to do it. Any other means would be deceiving and could be potentially dangerous and I'm that not much of a risk taker. Whatever works for everyone else is fine, but I'd rather be up front about it, which is how I'd like the other person to be as well. Starting out with lies or partial truths is not a good start, even if later everything works out okay. Many times I've been told that I am too honest, that always telling the truth won't get me anywhere. My reply to that, sure it will, might just take a little longer that all, but at least once I get there, or in the case of being with someone, I'll have done it the way I felt was the right way. I might be 80 when I get there but I'll find that right person for me and it'll be worth it. That person will love me for who I am and respect me for being up front, that I didn't make a fool of him (if its a man I end up with) or play with his emotions in him thinking he were going out with a complete woman. Things like that could turn out ugly, could be beaten to a bloody pulp, left laying dead somewhere all because some guy went berserk because somehow he found out that he was going out with a trans-woman, not a real woman (as in whole, born of the right body). As much as anyone would like to think the same of them (trans and being born whole), there is a huge difference for many that you may be dating.

There was a guy that came to my work a couple times and asked me out some time ago, he seemed to really like me, and I so would have went out with him, but I told him I was trans (I had to), he respected me for telling him the truth, and said he still would like to take me out (actually gave me a hug and a kiss on the cheek), but he never did come back, I didn't think he would, as ultimately as much as he probably wanted to, mentally he wasn't up for it, and the scenario if he found out later could have been a disaster for both of us, not the kind of situation I want to put myself nor anyone else in. If you refuse to disclose this info at the start and it works out after/if they find out, consider yourself very fortunate that they got to know you enough and still loved you enough to stay, that your past, what you were or still are made no difference.

But then what about me, I flirt, I get guys looking at me all the time, well, there are some things unavoidable, I am living as a woman, I am considered pretty, so this is going to happen even if I didn't smile at them or pick outfits that I knew would get their eyeball popping out of their heads, just comes with being a woman. But I'm not going out with them, huge difference. Its not on a personal level, just another pretty sight to see among many, that's all.

Don't consider this a personal attack on anyone here, afterall we each have our own ways of doing things, whatever works, go with it (just take care). Just sharing my views, that's all. I don't think any less of anyone else just because they aren't like me. At least you all are going on dates. Miss Priss here (me) will be waiting until the cows come home (I don't have any cows, that's going to be a long wait).
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sneakersjay

Disclose after you know them well enough to know you like them and want to go further, but before any physical contact (kissing etc).  In my mind it is 3rd date material.  They have a sense of knowing if they like you or not, they see you as male.  There are a lot of people for whom it doesn't matter, or wont' matter, even if it's something they haven't considered before.  Be prepared for rejection.

I never tell sooner, because I don't want to be rejected based on that alone. Besides, if we don't get along (ie there will be no second date) then I haven't disclosed unnecessarily.  There is no right or wrong answer.

The last guy I had a date with, the first date progressed faster than I had anticipated and I hadn't disclosed.  And didn't until his hand was on my non-standard-issue junk... not ideal.  There was no second date there, either, but hey, my junk is my junk, take it or leave it, not much I can do about it.  I own it, it is what it is.

Good luck.  Oh, and dating sucks, LOL


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AeroZeppelin92

This is a great video I watched yesterday on the subject. I think this guys advice is very sound and mature. Also, he is my current role model haha.

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